Skip to comments.Man says police officer threatened to kill his dogs
Posted on 12/04/2013 2:44:32 PM PST by AltarielEdited on 12/04/2013 2:45:54 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]
KANSAS CITY, Mo. – A Kansas City man says he’s been terrified since an encounter with police on Monday evening. He says officers came to his home in southeast Kansas City looking for people he’d never heard of and when he refused to let them inside, things turned ugly.
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If true the police officers should be fired. But who knows if this even happened.
This is why police need to be recorded on tape even more so than citizens. The should identify themselves immediately if the knock without any warrant.
That seems to be the current cop paradigm of late.
Dad was NYPD and retired in the late 60s. A few months before his retirement he went to protect a lady operating a hot dog cart from a normally tied up German Shepherd who broke the rope and was hungry for hot dogs. He put himself between the woman and the dog. the dog, A big one jumped up paws on dad’s chest, dad lost balance, fell backward put his hand out to stop his fall and broke his wrist bones in 11 places. The dog never bit him. The dog was corralled by the owner and was never destroyed. It never bit any one. He would only have drawn his gun if it appeared the dog was vicious. He said many times he wouldn’t have shot the dog. Might have used different strategy but not shot the dog.
Yeah, it’s hard to know who to believe when it’s the word of a lawyer versus the cops. Sad to say, I’m beginning to lean towards the lawyers.
Why aren’t the threats illegal? Shouldn’t they be?
When it involves shooting dogs, I’m with the lawyers every time.
What happened to the hot dogs?
What happened to Officer Friendly?
Ask yourself who has more motivation to lie.
And ask yourself why it is not illegal for government employees to threaten a private citizen in such a way in Missouri. That should concern you.
Officer Safety was assured (TM).
One law for thee, another for he.
For you, threatening government employees in such a manner is illegal.
For the Knights of the Realm of Missouri....
I hate to say it, but given how aggressive and militarized police departments have become in recent years, I believe the guy over the cop.
I agree that he ought to have recorded the encounter, but since he was expecting that criminals were about to raid his home, he can be forgiven for reaching for a crowbar before a cell phone or other recording device.
Nothing else matters.
“Why arent the threats illegal? Shouldnt they be?”
I feel the same. Seems like a terroristic threat to me...
And, his house has a major target on it now.
They morphed into dachshunds.
“That seems to be the current cop paradigm of late.”
Cops in America have morphed into jack-booted thugs.
I noticed it just before leaving for good in 2004.
It is also obvious in the TV programs and movies with cops in massive force in their storm-trooper garb and vast armament.
No doubt, this attracts the lowest of the low to become cops.
When in doubt, shoot the dogs.
“If you obtain a warrant, it will be based upon false testimony, as you have no probable cause.”
“I’m under no obligation to prove to you that you have garbage data.”
“This entire exchange has been recorded and is stored offsite, so, do the right thing.”
I can think of other reasons it is dangerous.
He is incorrect in one way: this was not a threat, but a promise. For this reason, his home is no longer safe for either him or his dogs. At any moment, he may be subject to a “whimsical” police attack, purely for purposes of revenge.
In his situation, I would set up motion detecting lights and cameras, broadcasting on WiFi to a neighbor’s house, and as a special bonus, erect a very loud, remotely activated siren where it is difficult to reach and runs on battery power so it cannot easily be shut down. Everybody in a several block area should be woken up and frightened enough to call 911.
Everything of value in his home should be removed, and he should strongly increase his homeowner’s insurance. He needs to have real pit bull criminal defense attorneys on retainer, ready to descend on the police with a huge lawsuit.
Seriously, police use “shock and awe” as a tactic, so to bust them up you need to outdo them with shock and awe.
Good ideas and that security setup should be on battery power too. Have any video broadcast by it automatically backed up on a cloud account.
It doesn't concern me. I don't live in Missouri. It's their problem not mine.
So far we have only heard one side. The police haven't lied yet as they are still investigating the report and didn't make a statement. Motivation? I dunno. Maybe he doesn't like police. Maybe much of what he said is true but some of it is a lie. No way for us to know. I just don't automatically accept this guy's story ... or not accept it. It's just one side of a story.
Fired? If true he should be jailed.
You can use the online application called Drop box. It will copy the files to computers of your choice within seconds.
The online backup tools may also be good.
I use dropbox for my phone pictures.
Later at the donut shop all three got they stories straight...
That alaska mutt kid has probably torn all of his hair out by now nully....he hasn’t been able to ridicule or attempt to demean any other FReepers in 2 weeks now!
Two weeks? His suspension should be just about over by now.
So, basically these police are criminals; threatening citizens, threatening to shoot dogs, threatening to destroy personal property. The really sad thing is one knows this personality type would be all too willing to start shooting citizens if ordered to by the Government. Nascent Nazis walk among the ranks.
Should those so called cops start shooting civilians Nazi style, I’d say that their life expectancy could be measured in hours.
It’s horrible to contemplate, but I wouldn’t lose sleep over it.
Back up to the cloud or remote secured pc all video, security camera feeds, audio, pictures etc. Make sure your family can access that info should this happen to you.
Logically, only one side is telling the truth; we have not yet heard the Current Truth (tm) from the government’s side; we have only the non-government employee’s account. .
The side more likely to lie is the side which is convinced it has less to loose, and more power to wield.
Consider that the private citizen the guy has more to lose. He now has a big, shiny target on himself, his dogs, etc. for daring to speak up.
He does not share the diplomatic immunity possessed by the government employees, nor is his testimony virtually always automatically believed in a court of law.
...and are you certain that the same practice is illegal in Alabama? I suggest you find out for yourself-—for if it is allowed to stand in Missouri, other government employees in other states will attempt the same tactic elsewhere.
We do not have the luxury of assuming that since the visible danger is in another state, we are safe if we live in different states.
The life you save may be your own.
Probably not; as seen on this thread, so long as it’s not happening in their own backyards, some of the populace is willing to explain away or ignore the problem.
Naughty, naughty. :^)
Eh? He was always an enthusiastic participant in LEO related threads.
He has nothing to lose. They are not going to kill his dogs unless the dogs charge an officer then they will be shot. I would not automatically believe this guy without evidence or more information. anybody can claim anything.
The policemen definitely have the most to lose in this case. They are the accused. At minimum they have an investigation of wrongdoing in their record.
There are bad police capable of doing all that is claimed. There are also jerks with vendettas against police that love to stir things up. So I don't automatically side with either of them.
Your consideration is an example to us all.
True. Cops would never shoot a dog unless it was a danger to them. /s
Police have, on multiple occasions, shot dogs not threatening them—dogs locked in bathrooms, dogs tied up, dogs in kennels, chihuahuas, dachshunds, etc.
The threat has been acted upon more times than either of us knows.
You may choose to downplay or ignore the threat, but remember this:
Shooting dogs is a symptom of a larger problem.
The problem being: we can do whatever we want, and not be held accountable for it.
Any student of history should understand the implications of that problem.
Yep I know. Out of control police wasting dogs for target practice I suppose. No reason why an officer can’t tase an animal if they feel threatened rather than blowing it away. Just more stupidity I don’t understand.