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Man tries to claim ‘abandoned’ homes (is in jail)
daytondailynews ^ | Posted: 9:15 p.m. Wednesday, Dec. 4, 2013 | By Amanda Seitz

Posted on 12/05/2013 6:56:54 AM PST by virgil283

"A Cincinnati man has been entering the homes of strangers in southwest Ohio and then claiming them as his own....Robert Carr, is currently in the Hamilton County Justice Center, where he’s being held on a $55,000 bond and facing six felony charges for breaking into three Hamilton County homes. ......

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TOPICS: Society
KEYWORDS: abandonedhomes
....."Carr has filed civil complaints against at least a dozen homeowners in those counties, claiming that he is now the owner of the properties because the real homeowners, he says, abandoned their real estate. Many of the homes are in foreclosure and one of the homes, in the city of Hamilton, is currently owned by the federal Department of Housing and Urban Development.

One of the houses that Carr entered and then filed a claim of ownership for, is occupied by a Springdale family that happened to be out of town and caring for a sick relative when Carr allegedly broke into the home and tried to take it over.....

“This was a break-in,” Warren said. “Carr was showing that he had filed this claim, purporting that to be a document stating that he had claim to the home and trying to pass it off as a declaration from the court.”

Now, Carr is facing felony charges of theft and breaking and entering into three homes, including the Springdale one. Carr will be in Hamilton County Court Monday. His public defender could not be reached for comment. Another woman, Bethany Firth, 25, of Cincinnati has also been charged with felony breaking and entering in connection to Carr’s case. She is in the Hamilton County Justice Center on a $5,000 bond.

Carr was also indicted on felony charges of theft and breaking and entering earlier this year and is scheduled to appear in court for those alleged crimes in March, according to court records......

1 posted on 12/05/2013 6:56:54 AM PST by virgil283
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To: virgil283

I guess the “real law” eventually catches up to those who think they are a “law unto themselves” by declaring “individual sovereignty” ... LOL ...


2 posted on 12/05/2013 7:02:41 AM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: virgil283

Honest, officer...I thought he was reaching for a gun.


3 posted on 12/05/2013 7:03:12 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks ("Say Not the Struggle Naught Availeth.")
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To: virgil283

If I had returned from a trip and found him shacked up in my house, he would have never even gotten the opportunity to try and claim the home was his as he would be riddled with bullets before he could even reach for a phone. And all I would need to say under my states “Castle Doctrine” law was i returned home to find an intruder in my house. All that would be left for the authorities is to fill out the report and haul off his corpse.


4 posted on 12/05/2013 7:04:06 AM PST by apillar
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To: virgil283

He is lucky not to be in the ground


5 posted on 12/05/2013 7:13:22 AM PST by bigbob (The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly. Abraham Lincoln)
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To: apillar

We have castle doctrine in FL too. This home invader, hes dead sir.


6 posted on 12/05/2013 7:23:17 AM PST by omega4179
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
Honest, officer...I thought he was reaching for a gun.

WRONG THING TO SAY.

Right thing to say "..........." and "I want to talk to my attorney."

7 posted on 12/05/2013 7:24:51 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: from occupied ga

Second shot in the ceiling. “I fired a warning shot but he still came after me”


8 posted on 12/05/2013 7:28:13 AM PST by AU72
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To: apillar

>> he would be riddled with bullets ...

Were you in fear of your life, or loss of a vital limb or body part? Methinks you ought to be going to a respectable concealed carry course that discusses the law. (A few of them actually do.)


9 posted on 12/05/2013 7:29:47 AM PST by QBFimi (When gunpowder speaks, beasts listen.)
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To: QBFimi
Were you in fear of your life, or loss of a vital limb or body part?

If someone is in my house, yes.
10 posted on 12/05/2013 7:32:56 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: All
“Carr was showing that he had filed this claim, purporting that to be a document stating that he had claim to the home and trying to pass it off as a declaration from the court.”

Falsifying official govt documents incurs several felonies-----he should also be charged w/ forgery. If another person was involved that would constitute collusion and conspiracy to collude.

11 posted on 12/05/2013 7:34:08 AM PST by Liz
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To: omega4179
We have castle doctrine

Same here...

12 posted on 12/05/2013 7:34:33 AM PST by Errant
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To: AU72

no warning shots


13 posted on 12/05/2013 7:41:53 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: apillar

We don’t have a castle law in MA. I wouldn’t need one though. He’d make great fertilizer.


14 posted on 12/05/2013 7:42:56 AM PST by TheRhinelander
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To: driftdiver

I gave him a warning shot, center mass.

He GOT the message!


15 posted on 12/05/2013 7:50:38 AM PST by ExTxMarine (PRAYER: It's the only HOPE for real CHANGE in America!)
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To: AU72
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc
16 posted on 12/05/2013 8:02:12 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: AU72
"Second shot in the ceiling. “I fired a warning shot but he still came after me”

And you would go to jail for murder. The first shot would create blood spatter, some of which would be on the ceiling. The second shot would create an overlay of gun powder over the blood spatter and the crime scene investigators would know that the person was shot first, and then the shot was fired into the ceiling. You can't beat forensics.

17 posted on 12/05/2013 8:09:37 AM PST by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: driftdiver

Agree. If you feel your life is in danger or you are in fear of great bodily harm, don’t give a warning shot. Shoot center mass.


18 posted on 12/05/2013 8:12:45 AM PST by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: Liz

In earlier stories Carr was bragging he had a team of 12 people scouring the area for abandoned houses for him to “claim”, telling them to change the locks when they determined the house was empty.


19 posted on 12/05/2013 8:13:05 AM PST by Wiser now (Socialism does not eliminate poverty, it guarantees it.)
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To: virgil283

What’s the big deal? He was looking for a place to live, and now he’s going to have one, for the next 10-15. He gets food and medical care thrown in.


20 posted on 12/05/2013 8:13:27 AM PST by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: Cyber Liberty

Plus, he’ll have a new, active social life.


21 posted on 12/05/2013 8:31:56 AM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: Army Air Corps

He doesn’t even have to go to match.com


22 posted on 12/05/2013 8:34:44 AM PST by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: Star Traveler

“Individual Sovereignty” has nothing to do with it in reality.

This story is washing around to cast doubt and ridicule on the genuine people utilizing quiet title to aquire their forclosed homes from banks that have repossesed them while holding no real wet ink signed documentation for the loans they are foreclosing on.

Additionally, people can actually gain title to (usually land) properties under adverse possession laws, but you generally have to have paid taxes on the land in order to do so, over a period of years usually. The latter way is DEFINITELY a good way to garner oneself a meth lab cleanup or other contamination surprise unless you know what the heck you’re getting into...


23 posted on 12/05/2013 8:39:48 AM PST by Axenolith (Government blows, and that which governs least, blows least...)
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To: ExTxMarine

Their warning was the locked door and windows.


24 posted on 12/05/2013 8:43:42 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: virgil283

I returned to my house and found that I couldn’t get in. I must have lost my keys, and my wife’s keys didn’t fit either. We didn’t know what we had done with the keys, so we cut the locks on the doors to get in. The kids were crying and a diaper needed to be changed real quick.

To my surprise, there was someone in my house! He rushed at me, and, fearing for my life, and the lives of my family and small children, I repelled his attack with legal means. I really didn’t want to do it, but the safety of my family is foremost.

Do you know of a company that cleans rugs?


25 posted on 12/05/2013 8:45:48 AM PST by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible traitors. Complicit in the destruction of our country.)
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To: AU72

In Florida someone breaking into your home is automatically considered armed. Regardless of which state you are in all a warning shot is going to do is put other people at risk and waste ammunition you might end up needing.

IMO either you have cause to use deadly force or your don’t. If you don’t then the bullets should stay in the gun.

Finding someone in my home is definitely cause for use of deadly force.


26 posted on 12/05/2013 8:49:14 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: QBFimi

“Were you in fear of your life, or loss of a vital limb or body part?”

Not entirely necessary under Colorado’s “Castle Doctrine”, which states:

“any occupant of a dwelling is justified in using any degree of physical force, including deadly physical force, against another person when that other person has made an unlawful entry into the dwelling, and when the occupant has a reasonable belief that such other person has committed a crime in the dwelling in addition to the uninvited entry, or is committing or intends to commit a crime against a person or property in addition to the uninvited entry, and when the occupant reasonably believes that such other person might use any physical force, no matter how slight, against any occupant.”


27 posted on 12/05/2013 8:52:47 AM PST by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: Cyber Liberty

Just wait until he pulls the same stunt with the neighboring jail cells, hahahahahaha! I’ll bring the popcorn.


28 posted on 12/05/2013 8:54:04 AM PST by bgill (This reply was mined before it was posted.)
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To: Axenolith
...but you generally have to have paid taxes on the land in order to do so, over a period of years usually.

Separate topic, since I would have shot the lying weasel straight off. My house, you trespass -you no longer have any worries at all.

I was under the impression that under something like the Homesteading Law (or something like that) you were allowed to legally claim any unclaimed property as long as you had it properly laid out (generally by a licensed surveyor), could show that you were making improvements upon it, and paid property taxes for it.

People do things like that all the time, albeit with no one particularly caring about some out-of-the way piece of worthless land no one else has been living on.

Have things changed so much that we are back again to the old axiom that all the lands belong to the king and you only live in your dwelling at the king's pleasure as long as you pay your taxes?

29 posted on 12/05/2013 11:36:11 AM PST by Utilizer (Bacon A'kbar! - In world today are only peaceful people, and the mooslimbs trying to kill them-)
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