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If We Could Start Our Own Country Called "Free Republic", What Would Our Constitution Say? (Vanity)
12/5/13 | One Vike

Posted on 12/05/2013 11:08:57 AM PST by OneVike

Let us pretend for a moment, or longer if the idea takes off, that we found some uncharted land or won our freedom from America, and began our own country.

Let us also pretend we had a convention of Freepers who were charged with deciding what our new constitution would say, and what rights our new Government would be limited to.

After seeing the destruction of the United States, and knowing how it came about, I wonder if we could write a new constitution that would stand the test of time?

I'll start by offering these suggestions for consideration as amendments.

  1. All households shall be required to own, and have knowledge of how to properly operate, fire arms for defense.

  2. All human life begins at the moment of inception and thus, shall receive the same protections as all humans who have been born.

  3. A family unit shall be defined as a human born as a man and a human born as a woman who live together in a union of marriage.

  4. All elected government officials shall obey all laws voted upon and agreed to by the people.

  5. The shall forever remain sovereign and free of influence from all political jurisdiction outside the boundaries of the nation.

  6. The rate of taxation shall never rise above the level where all basic essential services are fulfilled.

  7. Unless a citizen is physically unable to perform tasks needed to earn a living, they shall never receive assistance from others through taxation from another citizen via the government.

  8. The government shall never be involved at any level of education outside of training an individual for military service.

  9. Every able bodied male citizen shall serve a minimum of 4 years of military service.

  10. No elected official shall ever seek to change or weaken any original amendment to the constitution as agreed upon by those individuals charged with constructing the constitution.

  11. All new amendments must obey all the original amendments, but they themselves can be amended by new amendments.

Any other suggestions?


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It will be interesting to learn what my fellow Freepers believe should be the rights and limitations for both the citizens and the government in our new country.
1 posted on 12/05/2013 11:08:57 AM PST by OneVike
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To: OneVike

write “We really mean what we wrote.” after each one.


2 posted on 12/05/2013 11:10:32 AM PST by Phillyred
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To: OneVike

Save for later...


3 posted on 12/05/2013 11:10:43 AM PST by Tenacious 1 (Liberals can afford for things to go well, to work, for folks to be happy. They'd be out of work.)
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To: OneVike
NOBAMA!
4 posted on 12/05/2013 11:12:26 AM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: OneVike

Ok, I agree with 3, yet don’t want it enshrined in law. Why should you go so far into someone’s personal life? The point is not to control other people, but to have a just and non intrusive Constitution.

ok, on the whole, this is good. Just be careful about avoiding imposing the leftist agenda on people, just to go and impose your agenda on people.

How about who votes and voter ID and illegal immigrants?


5 posted on 12/05/2013 11:12:59 AM PST by Shimmer1 (don 't argue with an idiot; people watching may not be able to tell the difference)
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To: OneVike
Somewhere has to be written "Unnngghh", and "Sporkweasel".

Forbidden words: DITHF, Ash Alert, and Eschoir

6 posted on 12/05/2013 11:13:15 AM PST by DCBryan1 (No realli, moose bytes can be quite nasti!!)
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To: OneVike

For every law passed, an old law must be repealed.


7 posted on 12/05/2013 11:13:20 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: OneVike

It would be almost exactly the same but with the founders CLEAR INTENTIONS specifically stated

For example, no need for the “militia” wording in the second ammendment, just “right to bear arms shal not be infringed”

And they clearly meant for people to come for one tern and then go back to their farms, so say so...

Firing squad for anyone who twists the constitution or fails to obey it once in office

Mandatory prison for government fruad (BY the government -or- against the government)

more clearly limit the the size and scope- clearly state thjat the ‘general welfare’ clause does NOT mean any goody two shoes program they want- specifically outlawing federal charity.


8 posted on 12/05/2013 11:13:47 AM PST by Mr. K (If you like you constitution, you can keep it. Period.)
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To: OneVike

It needs a free speech item and another that makes it illegal to enforce political correctness.


9 posted on 12/05/2013 11:13:48 AM PST by BuffaloJack (Democrats believe in a two-party system—the masters and the slaves.)
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To: Shimmer1

I like the voter id idea.

As for marriage. Every society that has allowed people of the same sex to form unions has eventually disintegrated from the inside.

Mainly because the mindset of those who would do so, is to also bring the whole of society down to their level of amorality.


10 posted on 12/05/2013 11:16:05 AM PST by OneVike (I'm just a Christian waiting to go home)
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To: Responsibility2nd

I like that idea.


11 posted on 12/05/2013 11:16:43 AM PST by OneVike (I'm just a Christian waiting to go home)
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To: OneVike

You have cribbed into my territory (unclaimed). I will be launching a Thought Experiment Series soon. I have a lot of ideas.


12 posted on 12/05/2013 11:17:03 AM PST by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: OneVike

Zotland?


13 posted on 12/05/2013 11:17:28 AM PST by Zathras
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To: OneVike

The US Constitution is fine - as written. We don’t have slavery, so every amendment from 13 onwards is unnecessary (I would keep the 22nd though)

I would add one Amendment to clarify what the Framers wrote - a total BAN on Central Banks or National Banks of the United States. This is absolutely critical.

The Federal Reserve is the foundation of present “Progressive” plans for government. It is impossible to impose social-engineering schemes from Social Security to Obamacare if the Government must compete with private citizens for money and must pay real interest rates on their debt. It can only exist through money-printing and inflation.


14 posted on 12/05/2013 11:17:42 AM PST by PGR88
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To: OneVike

It`s legal under the Constitution coz Vermont was a country [republic] first as were Texas and California republics. West Virginia seceded from Virginia in 1861 and Supreme Court ok`d it. Maine was part of Massachusetts til they split. Eastern NY State was part of Vermont [a republic] til they got it right.


15 posted on 12/05/2013 11:17:46 AM PST by bunkerhill7 ("The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower"-NY State Senator Kathleen A. Marchione.")
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To: OneVike

12. This constitution is not living or breathing. These amendments are not open to re-interpretations for different eras.


16 posted on 12/05/2013 11:18:02 AM PST by Viennacon
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To: BuffaloJack

Yes, I should have definitely added a free speech amendment.


17 posted on 12/05/2013 11:18:05 AM PST by OneVike (I'm just a Christian waiting to go home)
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To: Kartographer

Dude. Don’t hold back. Say what you really mean.


18 posted on 12/05/2013 11:18:33 AM PST by wolfpat (Not to know what has been transacted in former times is to be always a child. -- Cicero)
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To: OneVike

The Federal government shall not create, impose or collect any tax that is not approved by 75% of the states.

All Federal programs must be approved by 75% of the states at least every 10 years.


19 posted on 12/05/2013 11:18:40 AM PST by aimhigh
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To: OneVike

How about a Constitutional ban on the governments ability to borrow money?

Failure to maintain a balanced budget equals jail time for all congress critters.


20 posted on 12/05/2013 11:19:01 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: OneVike
Just the original U.S. constitution and bill of rights.

but also add a sunset clause so that all laws and government regulations would have a 4 year expiration date.

also add that the only thing the federal gov allowed to do is military, border control courts and international issues.

the only thing state and local govs and fed gov should be enforcing is laws that prevent the initiation of force.

that means no stealing, no murder, no assault , no trespassing.

you have property rights, right to be left alone by gov and others, right to privacy, and freedom. only when you violate one of those laws you initiate force against an individual or entity only then will gov have the right to arrest you but then you'll have due process of courts.

that means no government at any level should ever be doing schools, roads, libraries ,museums , healthcare , charities, . no the only function of government is to keep the peace by preventing the initiation of force and to act as a referee in settling any disputes in a court of law(lawsuits ).

now you have government funding 30 years of global warming fake research. and they use that fake research to ban lightbulbs and other tyranical things, obamacare, the gov schools. gov should leave us and the free market alone

21 posted on 12/05/2013 11:19:16 AM PST by Democrat_media (Obama ordered IRS to rig 2012 election and must resign)
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To: OneVike

It would look like our current U.S. Constitution.

Which was written for a God fearing people, and no other.

That is our current problem.

Too many either don’t believe or have shaped God in THEIR image.


22 posted on 12/05/2013 11:19:49 AM PST by G Larry (Let his days be few; and let another take his office. Psalms 109:8)
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To: Viennacon

That was my amendment #10.

No elected official shall ever seek to change or weaken any original amendment to the constitution as agreed upon by those individuals charged with constructing the constitution.


23 posted on 12/05/2013 11:20:09 AM PST by OneVike (I'm just a Christian waiting to go home)
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To: OneVike

it would say “See Constitution”

We already have the blueprint, we’re just not following it.


24 posted on 12/05/2013 11:20:32 AM PST by bigbob (The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly. Abraham Lincoln)
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To: OneVike

No weapon law shall be passed.


25 posted on 12/05/2013 11:20:55 AM PST by Spirochete (Does the FedGov have the attributes of a legitimate government?)
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To: Viennacon

Indeed - state it specifically.

The restrictions placed on government in this Constitution are not interpretable to mean other than what they say.

The only process by which to change the foundational restrictions in this Constitution are through the defined amendment processes.


26 posted on 12/05/2013 11:21:24 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: OneVike

Absolutely Essential: Terms limits, including judges.

Essential: ALL laws sunset (no more than 25 years). They may be passed again, but otherwise they expire.


27 posted on 12/05/2013 11:22:57 AM PST by EternalHope (Be ready.)
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So what you are saying is that my 10th amendment should have been added to our original constitution.
#10. No elected official shall ever seek to change or weaken any original amendment to the constitution as agreed upon by those individuals charged with constructing the constitution.

28 posted on 12/05/2013 11:23:15 AM PST by OneVike (I'm just a Christian waiting to go home)
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I’ve always been fond of Heinlein’s idea of having two legislative bodies: one to pass laws on a two thirds majority, one to repeal them on a one third minority vote.


29 posted on 12/05/2013 11:23:23 AM PST by Eepsy
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To: aimhigh

No state shall impose a tax exceeding 10% of a person’s income.


30 posted on 12/05/2013 11:25:16 AM PST by aimhigh
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To: OneVike

The whole world would come in to take a piece of the country. We would have a billion illegal aliens come here. The UN would pass laws taking over the country.


31 posted on 12/05/2013 11:25:20 AM PST by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: OneVike

I like it.


32 posted on 12/05/2013 11:25:34 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: DCBryan1

Lol. Wow are those some blasts from the past.


33 posted on 12/05/2013 11:26:08 AM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: OneVike

Too many libs would move from their locust filled area to bring the “freebie” mentality to it...


34 posted on 12/05/2013 11:26:42 AM PST by GraceG
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To: EternalHope; aimhigh
Yes I agree with term limits and the limit on a the length a new law is enforceable, but I would limit them all to 10 years only.

And I like the idea from aimhigh, that the government shall not create, impose or collect any tax that is not approved by 75% of the states.

All Federal programs must be approved by 75% of the states at least every 10 years.


So basically a federal referendum where all citizens would have top approve. Difficult in 1776, but not so today.
35 posted on 12/05/2013 11:27:41 AM PST by OneVike (I'm just a Christian waiting to go home)
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Proposed modification to #9

Citizenship and the right to vote in federal elections, shall be obtained after the successful completion of four years of military, law enforcement, firefighting, paramedic or federal government service.


36 posted on 12/05/2013 11:27:47 AM PST by taxcontrol
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To: mountainlion
Only over the dead bodies of each and every citizen, because we would have my fifth nd ninth amendments,
#5. The shall forever remain sovereign and free of influence from all political jurisdiction outside the boundaries of the nation.

#9. Every able bodied male citizen shall serve a minimum of 4 years of military service.

37 posted on 12/05/2013 11:30:49 AM PST by OneVike (I'm just a Christian waiting to go home)
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To: OneVike
I would include no form of taxation that ends up being a drag on the economy. In short, taxation by consumption tax and not by income tax, so the very process of earning money is not subject to taxation.
38 posted on 12/05/2013 11:30:50 AM PST by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: Responsibility2nd

“Failure to maintain a balanced budget equals jail time for all congress critters.”

Spending limit is based upon revenue from the previous year - needs limited provision for wars.


39 posted on 12/05/2013 11:31:03 AM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: OneVike

It doesn’t really matter what’s on a blessed piece of paper, if the jerks who swore to uphold it (e.g, BO and “Justice” Roberts) WON’T!


40 posted on 12/05/2013 11:32:45 AM PST by Nevermore (...just a typical cracker, clinging to my Constitutional rights...)
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To: OneVike

It would look exactly like the one our founders constructed except in our country it would be respected and strictly adhered to.


41 posted on 12/05/2013 11:33:10 AM PST by RS_Rider (I hate Illinois Nazis)
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To: OneVike

12. No Pooftahs!


42 posted on 12/05/2013 11:33:34 AM PST by dfwgator (Fire Muschamp. Go Michigan State!)
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Uh, just saying, we were criticising Common Core for doing somethings like this, right (asking students to change the US Constitution as a homework assignment)?

So I'm not sure that this is all that different - imagining what our "new" constitution would be in a "new" country.

43 posted on 12/05/2013 11:33:52 AM PST by zencycler
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To: Eepsy

I’ve always been fond of Heinlein’s idea of having two legislative bodies: one to pass laws on a two thirds majority, one to repeal them on a one third minority vote.

Wow, I missed that, but it is a great idea!!!


44 posted on 12/05/2013 11:33:57 AM PST by GraceG
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To: OneVike

Numbers 6 & 7 seem at odds with each other.


45 posted on 12/05/2013 11:34:07 AM PST by Roccus
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To: OneVike

each sentence should be followed by Period.


46 posted on 12/05/2013 11:34:23 AM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: DCBryan1; lepton
I almost missed that.

Yes of course I agree. For those who may not know for which you alude to. here is a link to help them. This from a 2002 FR post.

Fifth Edition of the Lexicon of FreeRepublic * * A helpful FR dictionary for newcomers * *
47 posted on 12/05/2013 11:34:29 AM PST by OneVike (I'm just a Christian waiting to go home)
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To: Spirochete; OneVike
No weapon law shall be passed.

right you run over my marigolds with your effing M1 Abrams and it is WAR

48 posted on 12/05/2013 11:34:53 AM PST by bigheadfred
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To: taxcontrol

I like the military service requirement, but not sure of the others.

After 4 years of military service in our new country, no one will lean any farther to the left than Attila the Hun...LOL


49 posted on 12/05/2013 11:35:55 AM PST by OneVike (I'm just a Christian waiting to go home)
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To: Mr. K

Congress shall meet for no more than 2 months each year. Committees can meet online for a few weeks before the session. One month devoted to formulating a budget and one for proposing and repealing laws.


50 posted on 12/05/2013 11:36:24 AM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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