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Jameis Winston not charged: Legal aftermath, possible next steps
Sports Illustrated ^ | December 5, 2013 | Michael McCann

Posted on 12/05/2013 3:07:28 PM PST by Hotlanta Mike

In a nationally televised press conference on Thursday, State Attorney Willie Meggs announced that Florida State quarterback Jameis Winston will not be charged with sexual assault. While it sounded as if Meggs found the accuser ) to be generally believable, gaps in her memory coupled with the discovery of another man's (apparently the complainant's boyfriend) DNA meant the standard for charging and prosecuting Winston was not met. The case, which dates back to Dec. 7, 2012, is considered closed.

In many ways, Meggs' press conference appeared to be damage control, with Meggs -- an elected official -- insisting the investigation was comprehensive and typical. He did, however, express frustration that witnesses were not interviewed earlier.

Here's a breakdown of where things stand now, and potential legal steps that could still be taken.

(Excerpt) Read more at sportsillustrated.cnn.com ...


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SI's B.J. Schecter and Michael McCann discuss the announcement that Jameis Winston will not be charged.
1 posted on 12/05/2013 3:07:28 PM PST by Hotlanta Mike
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To: Hotlanta Mike

Expected out come. The FSU football combine and community can’t afford to lose Winston.


2 posted on 12/05/2013 3:16:33 PM PST by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: Red_Devil 232

We’ll wait to see what happens. This could become a national media circus if she files suit against either Winston, the Tallahassee Police Department, or FSU...


3 posted on 12/05/2013 3:18:18 PM PST by Hotlanta Mike ("Governing a great nation is like cooking a small fish - too much handling will spoil it." Lao Tzu)
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To: Hotlanta Mike

“...the discovery of another man’s (apparently the complainant’s boyfriend) DNA meant the standard for charging and prosecuting Winston was not met.”

I can see that.

Hey ladies - stop being drunken hoes and all of this stuff will STOP.


4 posted on 12/05/2013 3:19:17 PM PST by jocon307
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To: Hotlanta Mike

Bet the girl and her family will soon be driving new cars.


5 posted on 12/05/2013 3:19:39 PM PST by Some Fat Guy in L.A. (Still bitterly clinging to rational thought despite it's unfashionability)
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To: Hotlanta Mike

case files

http://www.talgov.com/uploads/public/documents/assets/news/tpd-documents.pdf


6 posted on 12/05/2013 3:21:05 PM PST by abb
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To: Red_Devil 232

The FSU football combine and community can’t afford to lose Winston.

...and that comment has no relevance whatsoever to the situation at hand...


7 posted on 12/05/2013 3:22:26 PM PST by IrishBrigade
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To: Hotlanta Mike

Apparently there are pictures of the two of them together after the ‘rape’ where she is smiling.

She probably didn’t want to tell her boyfriend that she was cheating.


8 posted on 12/05/2013 3:23:59 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

She probably didn’t want to tell her boyfriend that she was cheating.


Especially with the starting quarterback...


9 posted on 12/05/2013 3:26:43 PM PST by Hotlanta Mike ("Governing a great nation is like cooking a small fish - too much handling will spoil it." Lao Tzu)
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To: driftdiver
Apparently there are pictures of the two of them together after the ‘rape’ where she is smiling.

Wonder if Whoopi Goldberg would call this rape-rape ?

10 posted on 12/05/2013 3:32:31 PM PST by Popman
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To: IrishBrigade

Yes it does! I bet a lot of pressure was brought on the State Attorney to ignore the evidence for the sake of FSU and his job future prospects.


11 posted on 12/05/2013 3:35:32 PM PST by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: IrishBrigade; Red_Devil 232; dfwgator; GOPsterinMA; Perdogg; Hotlanta Mike; Bender2; darkangel82

The south takes it’s college football seriously. Lots of important people have connections to FSU.

That said, it looks like this girl probably cried rape so her BF wouldn’t be mad at her for cheating.


12 posted on 12/05/2013 3:48:55 PM PST by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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To: driftdiver
Apparently there are pictures of the two of them together after the ‘rape’ where she is smiling.

One of the early rockers (Chuck Berry I believe) used to hit groupies all the time. He had a couple of strict rules though: (1) she had to prove she was 18, and (2) before they enjoyed each other's company, he would have them disrobe completely. Then, he'd have one of his roadies snap a picture of the two of them, with her arms around him and a big smile on her face.

This is why he never had to deal with any legal complications.

13 posted on 12/05/2013 3:59:07 PM PST by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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To: Impy

That said, it looks like this girl probably cried rape so her BF wouldn’t be mad at her for cheating.


For some youth college is the first place where their choices have real consequences.


14 posted on 12/05/2013 3:59:20 PM PST by Hotlanta Mike ("Governing a great nation is like cooking a small fish - too much handling will spoil it." Lao Tzu)
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To: driftdiver
Apparently there are pictures of the two of them together after the ‘rape’ where she is smiling.

Cite? The only picture I could find is a picture that was allegedly taken before the incident (and which, in any event, the accuser says isn't her).

15 posted on 12/05/2013 4:00:48 PM PST by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: Hotlanta Mike

Any way you slice it, rape or not rape, Jameis is scum.


16 posted on 12/05/2013 4:02:10 PM PST by petitfour
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To: Hotlanta Mike

I could have told you that. He is a football player. They could find 10 dead bodies shot full of holes in his car,4 dead bodies in his bed. And he could hand the police a signed note reading, “I did it” and he still would not be charged.


17 posted on 12/05/2013 4:08:20 PM PST by sport
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To: petitfour

Any way you slice it, rape or not rape, Jameis is scum.


His problems may just be starting...


18 posted on 12/05/2013 4:08:40 PM PST by Hotlanta Mike ("Governing a great nation is like cooking a small fish - too much handling will spoil it." Lao Tzu)
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To: Hotlanta Mike

I am not saying that he cannot turn his life around and be an upstanding citizen either. But I don’t think highly of the hookup culture or of males who take advantage of stupid drunk females. I don’t think much of females who behave as this girl apparently behaved. None of it is all right.


19 posted on 12/05/2013 4:11:46 PM PST by petitfour
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To: Conscience of a Conservative

It was discussed on a local radio program. Apparently she posted it on facebook and then removed it after this went public a year ago.


20 posted on 12/05/2013 4:22:16 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: sport

Yeah because as the star quarterback he has so much trouble finding girls to sleep with


21 posted on 12/05/2013 4:28:06 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Red_Devil 232

Never ceases to amaze me how sports loyalties trump justice every time.

Any crime from rape and murder to pedophilia can be excused as long as the sports team is held sacrosanct.

Follow The Money.


22 posted on 12/05/2013 4:30:34 PM PST by Old Sarge (And Good Evening, Agent Smith, wherever you are...)
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To: Conscience of a Conservative

There are also sources saying the picture isn’t her. dunno


23 posted on 12/05/2013 4:31:04 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: sport
He is a football player. They could find 10 dead bodies shot full of holes in his car,4 dead bodies in his bed. And he could hand the police a signed note reading, “I did it” and he still would not be charged.


24 posted on 12/05/2013 4:31:30 PM PST by Old Sarge (And Good Evening, Agent Smith, wherever you are...)
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To: Old Sarge

Why do you automatically conclude he’s guilty?


25 posted on 12/05/2013 4:31:48 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

Why do YOU automatically conclude he’s innocent?


26 posted on 12/05/2013 4:34:25 PM PST by Old Sarge (And Good Evening, Agent Smith, wherever you are...)
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To: Steely Tom

Maybe Chuck started this AFTER he was charged under the Mann Act.

http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/chuck-berry-is-arrested-on-mann-act-charges-in-st-louis-missouri


27 posted on 12/05/2013 4:39:57 PM PST by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: Old Sarge

Isn’t that what our Constitution says we all get?


28 posted on 12/05/2013 4:41:46 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Old Sarge
He is a football player. They could find 10 dead bodies shot full of holes in his car,4 dead bodies in his bed. And he could hand the police a signed note reading, “I did it” and he still would not be charged.

Well "allegedly" Craig James killed five hookers while at SMU.

29 posted on 12/05/2013 4:42:45 PM PST by dfwgator (Fire Muschamp. Go Michigan State!)
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To: driftdiver

Actually, no.

The principle of “innocent until proven guilty” is not in the Constitution, Declaration of Independence, or any other founding document of the United States. It was an unwritten tenant of English Common Law.

The phrase entered US law through a 1894 Supreme Court decision, which reversed a lower court because the jury had not been instructed “The law presumes that persons charged with crime are innocent until they are proven by competent evidence to be guilty”.


30 posted on 12/05/2013 4:55:34 PM PST by Old Sarge (And Good Evening, Agent Smith, wherever you are...)
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To: VerySadAmerican
Maybe Chuck started this AFTER he was charged under the Mann Act.

Yup, you're probably right! I would imagine some lawyer - maybe hired by his agent - took him aside and told him how to handle the groupie issue.

31 posted on 12/05/2013 4:56:46 PM PST by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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To: Old Sarge; driftdiver

If im not mistaken, the idea of “innocent until proven guilty” underscores the American judicial system. Frankly, Winton is the only one whos been honest since the beginning. He never denied contact with her, he just said it was consensual. What exactly is he guilty of? whore-hopping? ...Thats not illegal in florida.


32 posted on 12/05/2013 4:57:28 PM PST by The_Sword_of_Groo (My world view is accurately expressed in the lyrics of " The Fightin' Side of Me")
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To: Old Sarge

But you prefer guilty until they can prove themselves innocent.


33 posted on 12/05/2013 4:57:56 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: The_Sword_of_Groo
What exactly is he guilty of? whore-hopping? ...Thats not illegal in florida.

Ah, but it does have consequences, doesn't it...

34 posted on 12/05/2013 4:59:10 PM PST by Old Sarge (And Good Evening, Agent Smith, wherever you are...)
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To: Old Sarge

Before you crucify Winston, you should check out Meggs’ hx of similar charges against FSU athletes. This aint his first rodeo. Other cases he has hyped up were similarly dismissed.


35 posted on 12/05/2013 5:03:07 PM PST by The_Sword_of_Groo (My world view is accurately expressed in the lyrics of " The Fightin' Side of Me")
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To: The_Sword_of_Groo

Hmm, I will do that. Are you saying he’s got an axe to grind for FSU jocks?


36 posted on 12/05/2013 5:05:56 PM PST by Old Sarge (And Good Evening, Agent Smith, wherever you are...)
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To: The_Sword_of_Groo

And go figure, Meggs is an FSU grad.


37 posted on 12/05/2013 5:07:21 PM PST by dfwgator (Fire Muschamp. Go Michigan State!)
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To: Red_Devil 232

I bet a lot of pressure was brought on the State Attorney to ignore the evidence for the sake of FSU and his job future prospects...

...you ‘bet’ pressure was brought...well, that sure changes things...I guess that pretty much cinches it, doesn’t it...


38 posted on 12/05/2013 5:16:14 PM PST by IrishBrigade
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To: sport

They could find 10 dead bodies shot full of holes in his car,4 dead bodies in his bed. And he could hand the police a signed note reading, “I did it” and he still would not be charged.

...sure, sport, okay...if you say so...


39 posted on 12/05/2013 5:30:30 PM PST by IrishBrigade
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To: sport
I could have told you that. He is a football player. They could find 10 dead bodies shot full of holes in his car,4 dead bodies in his bed. And he could hand the police a signed note reading, “I did it” and he still would not be charged.

Not true.

Had he thrown five picks against Florida, he would surely have been charged on her word alone.

40 posted on 12/05/2013 5:37:08 PM PST by FredZarguna (The sequel, thoroughly pointless, derivative, and boring was like all James Cameron "films.")
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To: Impy

Yep and yep.


41 posted on 12/05/2013 5:38:14 PM PST by GOPsterinMA (You're a very weird person, Yossarian.)
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To: Old Sarge

Ah, but it does have consequences, doesn’t it...

...sure does...one of which is having people making silly posts on internet fora...


42 posted on 12/05/2013 5:45:39 PM PST by IrishBrigade
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To: IrishBrigade

Then monitor your posts more closely, FRiend...


43 posted on 12/05/2013 5:49:47 PM PST by Old Sarge (And Good Evening, Agent Smith, wherever you are...)
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To: driftdiver; Old Sarge
Actually, I think you can make an argument that the answer to that is yes.

"The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."

During ratification, Amendment IX was well known to have referred to respect for the rights of Englishmen under the Common Law not already recognized in the 4th, 5th, and 6th Amendments. At that time, presumptive innocence would only have applied to Federal crimes, but would have been understood in the Constitutions of most states.

Coffin v. United States, did not really establish the principle of presumptive innocence -- in fact the decision itself goes through the whole body of existing case law in which this was already understood.

What Coffin did do is establish that failure to advise a jury of presumptive innocence was so serious that it was, in itself, a reversible error.

44 posted on 12/05/2013 5:50:06 PM PST by FredZarguna (The sequel, thoroughly pointless, derivative, and boring was like all James Cameron "films.")
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To: Old Sarge

Then monitor your posts more closely, FRiend...

...well, Sarge, can you back your statement that murder is condoned on the big football campuses, all so that losses don’t start accumulating...names and incidents, please...


45 posted on 12/05/2013 5:59:16 PM PST by IrishBrigade
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To: Hotlanta Mike

Who in their right mind expected an elected official or one who answers to elected officials to take him off the team ahead of the two most important games of the year and decade for FSU? There was no chance in heck that the woman would get a fair shake in Tallahassee. When the police department tells a crime victim that there is pressure not to act, that should be a loud warning signal that there are more important matters than clearing up a crime.


46 posted on 12/05/2013 5:59:29 PM PST by armydawg505
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To: IrishBrigade

I’m conflicted on this...

If Louis Freeh finds a culture of football at FSU, it could be curtains for the program.


47 posted on 12/05/2013 5:59:30 PM PST by Delta Dawn (Fluent in two languages: English and cursive.)
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To: Delta Dawn

If Louis Freeh finds a culture of football at FSU, it could be curtains for the program.

...perhaps you can point out to me the football program that has been discontinued as a result of a Louie Freeh finding...


48 posted on 12/05/2013 6:09:57 PM PST by IrishBrigade
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To: armydawg505

When the police department tells a crime victim that there is pressure not to act, that should be a loud warning signal that there are more important matters than clearing up a crime.

...that would be correct, if it were true...we have her word and her attorney’s that’s what happened...


49 posted on 12/05/2013 6:11:55 PM PST by IrishBrigade
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To: Old Sarge

Don’t know his motive... Meggs is a FSU grad. Maybe he didn’t make the pep squad. He has kicked up dirt in the past about at least one other football player who was eventually vindicated


50 posted on 12/05/2013 6:15:31 PM PST by The_Sword_of_Groo (My world view is accurately expressed in the lyrics of " The Fightin' Side of Me")
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