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Belzec: The Forgotten Camp
Virtual Jerusalem ^ | 12/9/2013 | Rabbi Shaul Rosenblatt

Posted on 12/09/2013 4:05:44 PM PST by Former Fetus

I wanted to go to Belzec (pronounced Biwzhets) because no one really does. One million Jews died there in the span of nine months - and hardly anyone knows about it. I felt it was a pilgrimage to a holy site: the second largest (after Treblinka) Jewish graveyard in history.

Mike Tregenza was my guide. He is a non-Jewish, English historian who lectures at Lublin university. According to Sir Martin Gilbert, he is the world expert on Belzec.

Belzec is a sleepy little hamlet in southeast Poland. A few thousand people live there. All seem to be related in some way. We stopped for a drink in a bar and the natives seemed unfriendly enough. All in all, it's a pretty innocuous place. One would never guess that of the million Jews who arrived there in 1942, only two survived.

Mike told me that he interviewed the station-master who worked at Belzec during the war. On every cattle car that arrived, there was written a number; the number of "pieces" (as the Germans would say) contained therein. He kept a tally. When he reached seven figures, he could no longer continue.

Belzec was a part of "Operation Reinhardt." Its purpose, which was accomplished, was to destroy the Jewish communities of Eastern Poland - specifically the main centers of Warsaw, Lublin, Cracow and Lvov.

Operation Reinhardt began in March 1942 with the construction of Belzec and ended in August 1943 with the destruction of Treblinka. It utilised three camps: Treblinka in the north, Sobibor and Belzec in the south. It was masterminded by Sturmbahnfuhrer Christian Wirth and Belzec was his prototype " his baby.

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KEYWORDS: belzec; cracow; holocaust; israel; lublin; lvov; operationreinhardt; poland; sobibor; theholocaust; treblinka; warsaw; wwii
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1 posted on 12/09/2013 4:05:45 PM PST by Former Fetus
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To: Former Fetus

I highly recommend the book “Hitler’s Willing Executioners” and the film “Escape from Sobibor.”


2 posted on 12/09/2013 4:08:52 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee
The lack of knowledge about Belzec stems from the lack of survivors. Very few survived Belzec.
3 posted on 12/09/2013 4:12:00 PM PST by quadrant (1o)
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To: Former Fetus
Even Rudolf Hoess (the erstwhile criminal who became kommondant of Auschwitz) was horrified by the methods used. It was, in his words, "inhumane."

Not the Rudolf Hess that went to England. This one was worse. Thanks for posting, Belzec was just a dot on a very evil map to me before this.

4 posted on 12/09/2013 4:13:24 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Travis McGee

Yeah, I thought about Sobibor, when reading this ...

Sobibor Extermination Camp: History & Overview
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/Sobibor.html


5 posted on 12/09/2013 4:18:33 PM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Travis McGee
+1 to your recommendation of Hitler's Willing Executioners. I would add Tim Snyder's Bloodlands - Europe Between Hitler and Stalin.
6 posted on 12/09/2013 4:19:03 PM PST by VR-21 (Next Stop, Willoughby.)
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To: Former Fetus
Bełżec may be lesser known in the West because it was closed in 1943 and razed, unlike Auschwitz, much of which survived the war.
7 posted on 12/09/2013 4:24:06 PM PST by Fiji Hill (Fight on!!)
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To: Travis McGee
2 I highly recommend the book “Hitler’s Willing Executioners” and the film “Escape from Sobibor.”

"EfS" was excellent. Below is an incomplete list of drama films with Holocaust themes. The ones I've seen which I consider worthwhile are highlighted in bold.

1946 USA The Stranger
1948 USA The Search
1953 USA The Juggler
1956 USA Singing in the Dark
1959 USA The Diary of Anne Frank
1960 USA Exodus
1961 USA Judgment at Nuremberg
1964 USA The Pawnbroker
1967 USA The Diary of Anne Frank (TV)
1974 UK QB VII (TV minseries)
1974 UK/ West Germany The Odessa File
1975 USA The Hiding Place
1975 USA The Man in the Glass Booth
1976 USA Marathon Man
1978 USA Holocaust (TV miniseries)
1979 USA The House On Garibaldi Street
1980 USA The Diary of Anne Frank (TV)
1980 USA Playing For Time (TV)
1982 USA Remembrance of Love (TV)
1982 USA Sophie's Choice
1982 USA The Wall
1985 USA Wallenberg: A Hero's Story
1987 UK/ Yugoslavia Escape from Sobibor
1988 USA The Attic: The Hiding of Anne Frank (TV)
1988 USA Hanna's War
1988 USA War and Remembrance (TV miniseries)
1989 USA Enemies, a Love Story
1989 USA Pursuit
1989 USA Music Box
1989 USA Triumph of the Spirit
1990 UK/ USA Max and Helen (TV)
1991 USA Never Forget (TV)
1992 USA Alan and Naomi
1992 USA The Witness (TV)
1993 USA Schindler's List
1994 USA Leni (TV)
1995 USA And Many Happy Returns
1996 USA Voices of the Children
1996 USA The Empty Mirror
1996 USA The Man Who Captured Eichmann
1996 USA Mother Night
1996 USA The Ring (TV)
1996 USA The Substance of Fire
1996 USA Warsaw Story
1997 USA A Call to Remember (TV)
1998 USA Apt Pupil
1998 USA Miracle at Midnight (TV)
1998 USA Pola's March
1999 USA The Devil's Arithmetic
1999 USA Jakob the Liar
1999 USA The March
2000 USA/ Poland Edges of the Lord
2000 USA Sugihara: Conspiracy of Kindness
2001 USA Anne Frank: The Whole Story (TV
2001 USA/ UK Conspiracy (TV)
2001 USA The Grey Zone
2001 USA Uprising (TV)
2002 France/ Germany/ UK/ Poland The Pianist
2003 USA The Singing Forest
2003 USA Hitler: The Rise of Evil (TV)
2005 USA Everything is Illuminated
2006 USA Forgiving Dr. Mengele
2008 UK/ USA The Boy in the Striped Pajamas
2008 USA Defiance
2008 UK/ USA The Reader
2009 USA/ Poland/ Canada The Courageous Heart of Irena Sendler (TV)
2010 USA/ Poland Esther's Diary

8 posted on 12/09/2013 4:24:15 PM PST by MacNaughton
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To: Former Fetus

As the current administration proceeds into its sixth year of destruction and the creation of chaos, this historical evidence of horror visited on one of the world’s peoples becomes increasingly relevant.

Specifically, what happens when they come knocking on the door at midnight...?


9 posted on 12/09/2013 4:28:57 PM PST by Jack Hammer
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To: Former Fetus

And Treblinka.


10 posted on 12/09/2013 4:29:06 PM PST by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: Fiji Hill

Likewise with Sobibor in 1943.


11 posted on 12/09/2013 4:32:43 PM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Jack Hammer
“Specifically, what happens when they come knocking on the door at midnight...?”

Specifically, remember the military considers guns for killing on the retail level. Wholesale killing requires explosives, incendiaries, gas, etc.

Propane works.

12 posted on 12/09/2013 4:33:41 PM PST by GladesGuru (Islam Delenda Est - Because of what Islam is and because of what Muslims do.)
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To: Star Traveler

And Chelmno.


13 posted on 12/09/2013 4:35:07 PM PST by ClearCase_guy
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To: Former Fetus

One of my most troubling,other-worldly experiences I’ve ever had was my visit to the Dachau museum on a cold,rainy day.The images are etched in my mind almost 40 years later.


14 posted on 12/09/2013 4:41:38 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (Osama Obama Care: A Religion That Will Have You On Your Knees!)
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To: Former Fetus

http://virtualjerusalem.com/judaism.php?Itemid=11510

At Belzec, twelve SS men killed a million Jews.

For every million babies killed in America, there are two million parents, four million grandparents, several million close friends who knew, and encouraged.

Americans have killed 58 million of their babies.

Hitler’s camps were constructed outside Germany, hidden away. America’s killing locations are in shopping malls, listed in big, gaudy ads in the Yellow Pages.

So which population has been corrupted more by the crimes committed: the Germans? or the American?

Which population has more moral imbeciles, ready to approve more killing, of more kinds of people?

How many of Germany’s Catholics (laity, priests, bishops) were Nazis? How many American Catholics (laity, priests, bishops) (1972-2013) were/are Democrats?


15 posted on 12/09/2013 4:42:36 PM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: Former Fetus

http://virtualjerusalem.com/judaism.php?Itemid=11510

At Belzec, twelve SS men killed a million Jews.

For every million babies killed in America, there are two million parents, four million grandparents, several million close friends who knew, and encouraged.

Americans have killed 58 million of their babies.

Hitler’s camps were constructed outside Germany, hidden away. America’s killing locations are in shopping malls, listed in big, gaudy ads in the Yellow Pages.

So which population has been corrupted more by the crimes committed: the Germans? or the American?

Which population has more moral imbeciles, ready to approve more killing, of more kinds of people?

How many of Germany’s Catholics (laity, priests, bishops) were Nazis? How many American Catholics (laity, priests, bishops) (1972-2013) were/are Democrats?


16 posted on 12/09/2013 4:42:36 PM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: Billthedrill

Which Rudolph Hoess/Hess got up at the trial in Nuremberg, and instead of “not guilty,” just said “Nein!”?


17 posted on 12/09/2013 4:43:58 PM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...
One million Jews died there in the span of nine months... the second largest (after Treblinka) Jewish graveyard in history... One would never guess that of the million Jews who arrived there in 1942, only two survived... the station-master who worked at Belzec during the war. On every cattle car that arrived, there was written a number; the number of "pieces" (as the Germans would say) contained therein. He kept a tally. When he reached seven figures, he could no longer continue... Operation Reinhardt began in March 1942 with the construction of Belzec and ended in August 1943 with the destruction of Treblinka. It utilised three camps: Treblinka in the north, Sobibor and Belzec in the south. It was masterminded by Sturmbahnfuhrer Christian Wirth and Belzec was his prototype " his baby.
Thanks Former Fetus.


18 posted on 12/09/2013 4:45:48 PM PST by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: Arthur McGowan
I found it HERE

I think that's the flyboy but it's a little hard to tell. Anyone know?

19 posted on 12/09/2013 4:53:00 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Former Fetus

“All seem to be related in some way.”

Heh, yeh, they ran the whole process and are what’s left.


20 posted on 12/09/2013 4:53:31 PM PST by SgtHooper (If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you.)
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To: Former Fetus

Unterscharführer Hackenholt was making great efforts to get the engine running. But it doesn’t go. Captain Wirth comes up. I can see he is afraid because I am present at a disaster. Yes, I see it all and I wait. My stopwatch showed it all, 50 minutes, 70 minutes, and the diesel did not start. The people wait inside the gas chambers. In vain. They can be heard weeping, “like in the synagogue,” says Professor Pfannenstiel, his eyes glued to a window in the wooden door. Furious, Captain Wirth lashes the Ukrainian assisting Hackenholt twelve, thirteen times, in the face. After 2 hours and 49 minutes—the stopwatch recorded it all—the diesel started. Up to that moment, the people shut up in those four crowded chambers were still alive, four times 750 persons in four times 45 cubic meters. Another 25 minutes elapsed. Many were already dead, that could be seen through the small window because an electric lamp inside lit up the chamber for a few moments. After 28 minutes, only a few were still alive. Finally, after 32 minutes, all were dead...Dentists hammered out gold teeth, bridges and crowns. In the midst of them stood Captain Wirth. He was in his element, and showing me a large can full of teeth, he said: “See for yourself the weight of that gold! It’s only from yesterday and the day before. You can’t imagine what we find every day—dollars, diamonds, gold. You’ll see for yourself! “[24][25]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belzec_extermination_camp


21 posted on 12/09/2013 5:01:18 PM PST by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum)
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To: Former Fetus

Thanks for passing this on as I had never heard of Belzec before!


22 posted on 12/09/2013 5:01:54 PM PST by melsec (Once a Jolly Swagman camped by a Billabong.)
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To: quadrant

None of my grandmother’s brothers and sisters and all their children/relatives, survived Belzec, Auschwitz or the street executions in Lvov (Lemberg).

We will never forget or forgive!


24 posted on 12/09/2013 5:04:42 PM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: quadrant; Travis McGee; SunkenCiv
At the end of 1942 the decision was made to close Belzec because they had killed most of the Jews in the region and felt Auschwitz could handle the rest. The camp was dismantled, replanted and made to look like farmland. The last inmates were shipped to Treblinka to be gassed.

Later, as the Russian 1943 offensive gained steam, frantic efforts were made to dig up corpses and incinerate or crush the bones to eradicate evidence of the crimes. But they could never erase the evidence of crimes on such a massive scale.

25 posted on 12/09/2013 5:08:56 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: Billthedrill

Yes. It’s Hess the flyboy.


26 posted on 12/09/2013 5:31:26 PM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: Billthedrill

Yes. It’s Hess the flyboy.


27 posted on 12/09/2013 5:31:27 PM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: Former Fetus

I’ve been to Mathuosen in Austria and it didn’t hit me until we walked through the small showers and I wondered why there were seals on the shower’s doors. Duh! My wife got the heebie jeebies and we got out of there fast.

Supposedly all the death camps were outside Germany but Mathausen was a death/work camp in Austria. To kill British prisoners of war, they made them walk up over a hundred stones of granite to the top of the quarry where the camp was. If they couldn’t go on, they were just pushed over the edge to fall to their death, if they made it to the top, their load was increased until they to succumbed. Tragic, evil, sadism all in one place and this was a small camp unlike the enormous Auschwitz.

I was nauseous just thinking about it and less than 100 miles away, beautiful Vienna. They had to know. They didn’t kill millions of Jews with just Hitler, Himmler and Goering. They used lots of college educated men to do the dirty work. Someone from Thysen sent an engineer or a few to increase the efficiency of the crematorium. It’s simply amazing how this machine of people, equipment and death operated and we’re supposed to believe it was only a small number of people who knew what was going on.
There were even people saying, “If only the Fuhrer knew, he would stop it.” Hell, it was his idea, just read Mein Kampf. If more people had read it, maybe things would have turned out differently, but then again, probably not.


28 posted on 12/09/2013 6:03:34 PM PST by Lx (Do you like it? Do you like it, Scott? I call it, "Mr. & Mrs. Tenorman Chili.")
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To: colorado tanker
I don't disagree with your post. My point is that far more people survived Auschwitz than survived Belzec, Treblinka, or Soibibor combined. This isn't to mitigate the hell that was Auschwitz but to recognize the true nature of the three death camps.
29 posted on 12/09/2013 6:04:27 PM PST by quadrant (1o)
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To: Star Traveler

The Nazis razed Sobibor after the prisoners revolted and escaped.


30 posted on 12/09/2013 6:08:57 PM PST by kenavi (Debunk THIS!)
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To: kenavi

It was quite embarrassing to them. They didn’t want anyone else getting ideas, I guess.


31 posted on 12/09/2013 6:12:19 PM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Billthedrill

That’s Goering. Hess is at .46 seconds. Goering made them look like fools. He spoke four languages so while he was supposedly listening to the translation, he was actually massaging his answer to look like he knew nothing and had a razor sharp mind, too. They should have never weened him off of drugs because he was the third smartest defendant there.

Unfortunately for him and the other Nazis, they kept meticulous records which sealed Goering and several others doom. Goering committed suicide the night they were to be executed with a cyanide pill. All evidence points to a US soldier who allowed Goering access to his luggage in order to retrieve the drug in exchange for one of Goering’s watches.


32 posted on 12/09/2013 6:13:36 PM PST by Lx (Do you like it? Do you like it, Scott? I call it, "Mr. & Mrs. Tenorman Chili.")
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To: Billthedrill
Not the Rudolf Hess that went to England. This one was worse.

Hoess was portrayed very well in "War and Remembrance."

33 posted on 12/09/2013 6:17:48 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: Travis McGee

Escape From Sobibor

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNjRR9Sfl2c


34 posted on 12/09/2013 6:18:36 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: Arthur McGowan
Which Rudolph Hoess/Hess got up at the trial in Nuremberg, and instead of “not guilty,” just said “Nein!”?

That was "Hess", who spent the rest of his days at Spandau. Hoess, was executed by the Poles in 1946, at Auschwitz.

35 posted on 12/09/2013 6:20:47 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: colorado tanker

Thanks ct. Himmler phoned Hitler to tell him about the early “successes” of the Holocaust, and Hitler scolded him over it, saying he wasn’t to speak of it over the phone, because the line might be tapped. That’s so bizarre.


36 posted on 12/09/2013 6:22:01 PM PST by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: MacNaughton

Defiance was a really, really good movie.


37 posted on 12/09/2013 6:23:56 PM PST by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: MacNaughton

“Europa, Europa” is also an excellent movie.

Also, Andzej Wajda’s “Korczak.”


38 posted on 12/09/2013 6:26:40 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: MacNaughton

Please add to that list:

Life Is Beautiful (1997)
The Pianist (2002)
Fateless (2005)


39 posted on 12/09/2013 6:34:38 PM PST by thecodont
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To: MacNaughton

“The House on Garibaldi Street” was also a terrific book.

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40 posted on 12/09/2013 6:49:17 PM PST by Mears
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To: kitchen
Bookmark
41 posted on 12/09/2013 7:08:25 PM PST by kitchen (Even the walls have ears.)
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To: thecodont

I only saw Life Is Beautiful in the last couple of years. I can forgive Benigni’s over the top Oscar performance because of it.


42 posted on 12/09/2013 7:10:02 PM PST by Hillarys Gate Cult (Liberals make unrealistic demands on reality and reality doesn't oblige them.)
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To: Hillarys Gate Cult

Life Is Beautiful has to be the the sadest movie I have ever seen. Only saving grace was those were American tanks at the end. Remember that their own mostly worthless government did all of it.


43 posted on 12/09/2013 7:30:49 PM PST by Hillarys Gate Cult (Liberals make unrealistic demands on reality and reality doesn't oblige them.)
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To: Gay State Conservative
One of my most troubling,other-worldly experiences I’ve ever had was my visit to the Dachau museum on a cold,rainy day.The images are etched in my mind almost 40 years later.

Saw Dachau on a trip years ago. It was profound. Three days later saw Auschwitz. Almost forgot Dachau after that. Auschwitz is horribly overwhelming.

44 posted on 12/09/2013 8:34:24 PM PST by raybbr (I weep over my sons' future in this Godforsaken country.)
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44 Saw Dachau on a trip years ago. It was profound. Three days later saw Auschwitz. Almost forgot Dachau after that. Auschwitz is horribly overwhelming.

Our neighbors are from Chicago (Roman Catholic) and of Polish descent. About 5 years ago he was doing contract work for USSteel in eastern Europe. He made the journey to Auschwitz during a break. It shook him up. There are lists displayed of the names of the exterminated inmates. He said he saw many names listed with his surname. He made a point of sharing his pictures with friends and acquaintances far and wide. He, too, embraced the Jewish maxim, "Never Again."

As bad as matters appear to be shaping up here in ObamaLand, the FR threads regarding South Africa post-Mandela are very sobering. I pray the Afrikaners will be spared. And of course, Israel is attempting to keep the same devil at bay.

I was never 1 to pursue Biblical apocalyptic writings about the end times - made my head swim with the incredible number of interpretations/theories. I resigned myself to taking Jesus words' to heart, "that no man can know the hour." A retired Southern Baptist pastor across the street put it to me most succinctly regarding the Book of Revelation - "God wins in the end."

Yet, I too was exposed to Hal Lindsay's 1970 book, The Late Great Planet Earth. He wrote in it that he found little in the Bible that could represent the United States of America as the time for Armageddon approached. That always stuck with me. And now we have post-modern America under Obama ...

45 posted on 12/09/2013 9:46:04 PM PST by MacNaughton
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To: Former Fetus

I’ve certainly heard of it.
After World War 2, my father and my mother’s surviving cousins were neighbors and friends, having resettled in Stettin from Drohobycz (Galicia near Lvov) and Lublin. But for some initiative and a lot of luck, they would have been buried near each other in Belzec.


46 posted on 12/09/2013 10:34:50 PM PST by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: Former Fetus

I’ve certainly heard of it.
After World War 2, my father and my mother’s surviving cousins were neighbors and friends, having resettled in Stettin from Drohobycz (Galicia near Lvov) and Lublin. But for some initiative and a lot of luck, they would have been buried near each other in Belzec.


47 posted on 12/09/2013 10:40:28 PM PST by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: Former Fetus
“We stopped for a drink in a bar and the natives seemed unfriendly enough.”

“All seem to be related in some way.”

“There is a small, dilapidated memorial containing some bones and ashes (which is regularly vandalised by Poles searching for “Jewish gold”). It is overgrown and unkempt.”

LOL !!!1 What a Holocaust story would be without usual dose of racism and Polonophobia ?

48 posted on 12/10/2013 12:16:49 AM PST by Grzegorz 246
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To: Former Fetus

Thanks for posting this. The only issue I have with the focus on Nazi’s is that the communists did the same, on a grander scale and with greater ruthlessness. Fewer people know that than know about Belzec.


49 posted on 12/10/2013 5:45:51 AM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: GladesGuru
Wholesale killing requires explosives, incendiaries, gas, etc.

Starvation works well too.

Don't forget the Holodomor.

50 posted on 12/10/2013 6:00:39 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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