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Hearing likely in SC 1944 teen execution.
thestate.com ^ | 12/10/2013 | John Monk

Posted on 12/11/2013 12:22:26 PM PST by armydawg505

MANNING — A one-of-a-kind hearing for a new trial likely will be held next month in Manning during which evidence will be aired in a 69-year-old double murder that ended in the execution of 14-year-old George Stinney, the youngest person put to death in the United States in modern times.

“My office is trying to get the court to give us a date when the motion for a new trial can be heard,” 3rd Circuit Solicitor Ernest “Chip” Finney III said Tuesday.

Earlier this year, Stinney’s family — two surviving Stinney sisters and the surviving brother — retained lawyer Steven McKenzie of Manning to file a 64-page motion for a new trial.

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There is no excuse for executing a 14 year old boy. Having said that, there is no good purpose in trying to take this to another hearing, no evidence exists to change anything other than he said, she said. These concerned citizens would do a lot better concentrating on the problems facing Black Americans today rather than what they faced in 1944.
1 posted on 12/11/2013 12:22:26 PM PST by armydawg505
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To: armydawg505

Are they going to unexecute him if today’s lawyers find some loophole that should have been used?


2 posted on 12/11/2013 12:27:52 PM PST by Ingtar (The NSA - "We're the only part of government who actually listens to the people.")
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To: Ingtar

nope but you can hear the cash registers ring as the lawyers sue


3 posted on 12/11/2013 12:31:38 PM PST by Nifster
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To: Ingtar

No, but there could be a big payday for the heirs.


4 posted on 12/11/2013 12:31:40 PM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: armydawg505

How’s about also concentrating on the problems of some White Americans today? Asian-Americans? Mexican-Americans?

It ain’t all peaches and cream for everyone out there these past few years.


5 posted on 12/11/2013 12:33:12 PM PST by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: armydawg505

So, it there any practical reason for doing this other than as a PR stunt for the anti-capital punishment crowd?


6 posted on 12/11/2013 12:36:08 PM PST by circlecity
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To: armydawg505

“There is no excuse for executing a 14 year old boy.”

Huh?

I could imagine a reason, not just an excuse.


7 posted on 12/11/2013 12:43:11 PM PST by ifinnegan
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To: circlecity

So, it there any practical reason for doing this other than as a PR stunt for the anti-capital punishment crowd?

Let’s see, no witnesses, no transcripts, no evidence, even if the kid was railroaded, and considering when it happened it’s quite possible, how are you going to prove anything? And oh yeah as to their “ he only weighed 95 pounds and stood 5’1”, so what? Where are the measurements for the victims?


8 posted on 12/11/2013 12:43:51 PM PST by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: Mastador1
"And oh yeah as to their “ he only weighed 95 pounds and stood 5’1”, so what? Where are the measurements for the victims?"

That's about the size of Baby Face Nelson, probably the most vicious and murderous of the depression era bank robber gangsters. I thihk he still holds the record for having killed the most FBI agents.

9 posted on 12/11/2013 12:45:57 PM PST by circlecity
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To: circlecity

The “wrongly executed” case is always being sought by anti-death penalty proponents along with “American mad cow disease” by the vegan/PETA crowd.

Meanwhile 50+ million children have been put to death by abortionists and there is BIG TIME support in the media. There HAVE been far younger victims of death sentencing than 14 year olds and in total absence of any trial.


10 posted on 12/11/2013 12:47:36 PM PST by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: ifinnegan
I could imagine a reason, not just an excuse.

It's silly,illogical and just plain wrong to assert that *any* 14 year old is fully formed in terms of conscience,understanding or maturity.The DP can only be justified for people who *are* "fully formed".Of course if a 14 year old commits a serious crime he/she should be subject to *serious* consequences but not the DP.

11 posted on 12/11/2013 12:52:52 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (Osama Obama Care: A Religion That Will Have You On Your Knees!)
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To: Gay State Conservative

You can’t back up your contention. It’s all emotion on your part.


12 posted on 12/11/2013 12:54:55 PM PST by ifinnegan
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To: Gay State Conservative

Nonsense. What about the 14 year old who raped and murdered his teacher in Danvers, MA last month? Prime candidate for the death penalty, I would think.

Get me a rope.


13 posted on 12/11/2013 1:23:03 PM PST by DickBrannigan (When did logic become reversed, and right became wrong, and wrong became right?)
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To: Gay State Conservative

That’s one opinion. Another is that if you show yourself to be a menace to society by committing murder, execution by the state is in the best interest of society.


14 posted on 12/11/2013 1:23:30 PM PST by TheDon (Inside Every Liberal is a Totalitarian Screaming to Get Out.)
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To: circlecity

As I recall the case, he was accused of using a 70lb railway tie as a club.


15 posted on 12/11/2013 1:36:34 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: DickBrannigan; TheDon
Nonsense. What about the 14 year old who raped and murdered his teacher in Danvers, MA last month? Prime candidate for the death penalty, I would think.

Yup,a prime candidate for the DP.Until it's *your* 14 year old,of course.Then it would be "look at that poor boy...he still plays with Legos.He's never even shaved yet".

And no,no child of mine has ever killed.Not at 14...not even at 44.

16 posted on 12/11/2013 1:43:11 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (Osama Obama Care: A Religion That Will Have You On Your Knees!)
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To: armydawg505

If the crime is heinous enough, age should have no bearing on capital punishment.


17 posted on 12/11/2013 2:47:09 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: armydawg505

***There is no excuse for executing a 14 year old boy.***

I remember a 14 year old boy from a mean family who brutally raped and murdered a girl back about 43 years go. He is still in BIG MAC in Oklahoma but should have been fried years ago.


18 posted on 12/11/2013 2:52:07 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: armydawg505; 2A Patriot; 2nd amendment mama; 4everontheRight; 77Jimmy; A Strict Constructionist; ...
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19 posted on 12/11/2013 2:52:13 PM PST by upchuck (I can't stand people that don't know the difference between 'than' and 'then.' Their so stupid...)
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To: Gay State Conservative
Yup,a prime candidate for the DP.Until it's *your* 14 year old,of course.Then it would be "look at that poor boy...he still plays with Legos.He's never even shaved yet".

You may think that way, but I do not.

20 posted on 12/11/2013 3:21:35 PM PST by TheDon (Inside Every Liberal is a Totalitarian Screaming to Get Out.)
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To: armydawg505

I disagree. There are plenty of truly savage 14 year olds out there.

http://nation.time.com/2013/11/21/14-year-old-indicted-for-rape-and-murder-of-high-school-teacher/

The bottom line is that each and every criminal case is unique. Many 14 year olds are indeed immature. But in recent years, most states have recognized that other factors apply, which is why prosecutors may decide to try *some* juveniles “as adults”, based on particular evidence.

And if a jury agrees in that rationale, that their murderous acts were so heinous and vicious, that “aggravating” circumstances apply that warrant the death penalty, numeric age, within reason, does not matter. At least the cut off age should be lower, to the point where almost no juvenile offender *could* merit it.

Does this mean that 10 year olds and younger should not be executed? Perhaps, but only based on the statistics. How many truly savage 10 year olds are out there?


21 posted on 12/11/2013 3:24:07 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Last Obamacare Promise: "If You Like Your Eternal Soul, You Can Keep It.")
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To: armydawg505

This case could ramp up just in time for the 2014 elections.


22 posted on 12/11/2013 3:24:47 PM PST by uncitizen (Obama said 'period', but he meant 'asterisk'.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

No 14 year old is going to be executed in this country. It takes at least 25 years of legal processes to make it happen. Executing a 39 year old man for a crime of murder done 25 years ago is fine with me.


23 posted on 12/11/2013 3:46:47 PM PST by armydawg505
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To: armydawg505

There are common sense reforms that can be done so that a delay of decades to execute someone can be mitigated, and at no loss to fairness or justice.

Probably the biggest problem is that federal judges who are personally opposed to any death penalty, try to force a “death by ducks” strategy, of nit-picking tiny details of the means of execution. For example, if three drugs are used, then the judge rejects it on the grounds that different drugs are “better”, even if unavailable, or that a different combination of drugs are “better”, or that only very perishable drugs can be used, so have to be procured, if available, just before the execution, etc., ad nauseum.

This could be alleviated by the US senate and house judiciary committees deciding that states are “competent authorities” to decide *how* to execute, so that the means they choose, of previously used legal means of execution, are not a federal issue.

Second, is that all death penalty appeals should automatically move to the head of the federal docket. Some federal judges purposefully accept such appeals, but put them at the end of the list, which means years of delay even before an appellate hearing. In addition, the committees could decide to limit the amount of time that can be used for delays during the appeal, say one month each for the defense, the prosecution, and one month at the judge’s discretion.

Third, the committees should agree that for the most part, federal judges cannot overturn death penalties, or return them to lower courts with instructions to overturn or not to allow a death sentence. Unless an appeal exonerates a conviction. This means if the judge throws out the death penalty, the convict goes free. No half measures. Few federal judges opposed to the death penalty would dare release a murderous criminal if that was the only option other than the death penalty.

In any event, while giving a death penalty to a savage juvenile should not be as easy as giving one to an adult, and certainly it should merit more scrutiny at the state and federal level, just refusing it entirely on the grounds of numerical age should not be done.

Right now, trying particularly heinous juveniles as adults is generally seen as reasonable, and prosecutorial discretion is generally good in deciding this, so the same consideration should be used in determining the death penalty.

As one example, here is the story of a vicious, Mexican cartel assassin, at the age of 11. Who is soon to be released in the United States, at the age of 17 or 18. Free to roam our streets, because he is a “juvenile”.

N.B.: The cartels are specially recruiting young juveniles to commit heinous acts, precisely because they will not risk the same punishment as adults.

http://articles.latimes.com/2013/nov/26/world/la-fg-mexico-killer-kid-20131127


24 posted on 12/12/2013 6:05:20 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Last Obamacare Promise: "If You Like Your Eternal Soul, You Can Keep It.")
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

I have no problem putting them in jail for life for a murder committed at that age. Just move them to big boy prison at age 18.


25 posted on 12/12/2013 11:48:36 AM PST by armydawg505
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To: DickBrannigan

I am with you. This idea that a person must understand law to be put to death is silly. If someone is so dangerous as to murder people they are too dangerous to let live.


26 posted on 12/12/2013 12:07:28 PM PST by CodeToad (When ignorance rules a person's decision they are resorting to superstition.)
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To: armydawg505

So what is the objection to pulling the cork on them?

A life spent in prison is little more than the public having to shell out about $1m a decade to keep them fed, housed, with medical care, where they will likely be brutalized. It is more “cruel and unusual” than just killing them, on the off chance that some judge may eventually say that they’ve been in long enough, so just turn them loose. To do what?

Lots of killers, adults and juveniles, were turned off in “the good old days”. Importantly, the overwhelming majority of ‘juveniles’ were 17 years old at the time they committed their crime, so this is not typically “robbing the cradle”. The vast majority were repeat offenders, having committed other violent crimes for years before committing murder. Again, typically multiple murders to warrant the death penalty.

And in murder trials, lots of slack is already given to juveniles that is not given to adults, so a juvenile offender needs to be “special” to reach the bar where a jury decides they should be executed.

It is narrowed in the other direction as well, since if the crime is horrifically heinous, it is likely they will be judged insane, so are not subject to the death penalty.


27 posted on 12/12/2013 12:59:16 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Last Obamacare Promise: "If You Like Your Eternal Soul, You Can Keep It.")
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