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Who caused the most damage to American History in the schools?
12-11-2013 | Crapgame

Posted on 12/11/2013 12:44:35 PM PST by Crapgame

Freepers, as an adjunct professor of humanities, I am most interested in your opinions on American historiography and education.


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I teach at a local community college. I teach humanities which is either Ancient and Medieval Cultures, The Modern World from the Renaissance to Today or The American Experience and Constitutional Change. I've been doing this for four years now and in particular, the text I use for The American Experience class has got me down. It completely deconstructs American history. Everything seems to be reduced to race and gender issues. While discussing the Cold War, it paints a picture of the United States as an agitator, threatening the Soviets and later the Chinese. It grates on me when The Zoot Suit Riots are given equal time in the text to the American victory at Midway.

As conservatives I think we can all agree that academia is overrun by the left. We need to fight back on this critical battleground in order to preserve our future generations. Please don't make this a "take your kids out of public school" thread. I am talking about college level courses and I want to know who in your collective opinion did more to destroy the teaching of history at the primary level for American children?

Looking forward to the responses....

1 posted on 12/11/2013 12:44:35 PM PST by Crapgame
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To: Crapgame

It has been headed this way for a while and “Common Core” has just totalled it. Especially in the lower grades.

History became a series of disconnected episodes- all of them with leftist ‘moral to the stories’ and now they are just teaching things out of context. I read that Common Core, completing this crappy progression, has the Emancipation Proclamation taught without any reference to the Civil War.

In other words history is not being taught any more for all intents and purposes.


2 posted on 12/11/2013 12:49:23 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: Crapgame

“Jimmy” Carter, he INFLICTED the US Dept of “Education” on us.


3 posted on 12/11/2013 12:49:41 PM PST by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: Crapgame

half or more of our local college students are immigrants, mostly from China and Asian countries. they generally seem to know more about American history and constitution and so forth than do many of our American students.
The Chinese usually know all about the Bill of Rights and are surprised when they discover it is not a very operative document anymore these last 4 or 5 years

but they recognize the problem and understand it immediately, I guess their communist dictatorship government experience provides them with the exact frame of reference they require to quickly grasp what’s happened or happening to us here now


4 posted on 12/11/2013 12:52:04 PM PST by faithhopecharity
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To: US Navy Vet

I just posted this in the Michigan board

Senate Bill 701: Encourage teaching America’s founding documents
Introduced by Sen. Patrick Colbeck (R) on December 3, 2013, to require public school boards to encourage teachers to read aloud or post in classrooms writings, documents, and records that reflect the founding and history of the United States, including but not limited to the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, the Federalist Papers, the Anti-Federalist Papers, the Bill of Rights and more.
http://www.michiganvotes.org/Legislation.aspx?ID=161411


5 posted on 12/11/2013 12:52:12 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: US Navy Vet

Absolutely.
A Department that educates no one. Much as the Department of Agriculture that grows nothing and Transportation who transports no one.


6 posted on 12/11/2013 12:52:33 PM PST by Mikey_1962 (Obama: The Affirmative Action President.)
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To: Crapgame

What history? They don’t teach it anymore.
IMHO they stopped with my high school class (1963) when the subject became ‘SOCIAL STUDIES’ and it went downhill from there.


7 posted on 12/11/2013 12:53:33 PM PST by Flintlock ( islam is a LIE, mohammed was a CRIMINAL, shira is POISON.)
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To: Crapgame

I would say that when the Progressives began running the textbook companies. Kids used to read about patriotism, good manners, Christian values, and were honest about the low points.

Liberals hate this country, they want us in gulags, dead and starving, for the sake of fairness. The textbook writers share the same views and push the crap onto students.

Reagan - married 2x, actor, Iran Contra....never a good work

Obama - zero achievement, dubious past, Community Organizer, liar, Marxist - the book will rave about how historic he was, yes, historically terrible


8 posted on 12/11/2013 12:53:50 PM PST by wac3rd (Somewhere in Hell, Ted Kennedy snickers....)
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To: Crapgame

Liberals destroyed it, who else? Might try explaining to your students what kind of a world it would be right now if America hadn’t won the Battle of Midway or if the Allied forces had all been thrown back into the sea on June 6,1944. “The philosophy taught in the classroom in one generation becomes the policy of the government in the next.’’- Abraham Lincoln.


9 posted on 12/11/2013 12:54:59 PM PST by jmacusa (I don't think so, but I doubt it.)
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To: Crapgame

ps:
most of our American students cannot tell you even three of the clauses of the BILL of (Their) RIGHTS

which is a big part of the explanation why they don’t really have many of those rights anymore (at least, why the govt can get away with dis-respecting its citizens’ rights)
.... the citizens have been “educated” to not realize they have any rights vis-a-vis their Master (the govt)


10 posted on 12/11/2013 12:56:08 PM PST by faithhopecharity
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To: GeronL

FDR

no actual competition although Wilson deserves a mention.


11 posted on 12/11/2013 12:56:40 PM PST by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: Crapgame

3-4 years ago, there was a national ‘crisis’ about what basic college education included. History was part of the crisis.

What’s the date of your book publication? Who are the editors? If we assume that the book takes one year to piece together and look at the background of the editors and publisher, we can get at the culprits.

My bet is that small schools advocates are part of it, which brings in Gates and Ayres. At least 10 years ago, only socialist and communist pieces were taught in K-12. I knew a prof who looked me in the eye and said, “You have to get them young.”

This has been a concerted effort of several powerful people and groups. In other words, the usual suspects.

My 2 cents


12 posted on 12/11/2013 12:58:31 PM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto!)
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To: Crapgame

Thomas Dewey messed up ALL public education, so American History would be swept up in that.

Oliver Wendell Holmes messed up pretty much ALL of the law schools.


13 posted on 12/11/2013 1:05:24 PM PST by Dr. Sivana (There's no salvation in politics.)
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To: Crapgame
Who caused the most damage to American History in the schools?

The same people that gave us children that can't read or do simple arithmetic.

That's why a modern cash register has pictures and tells them how much change to give back.

Oh, and to believe in anthropogenic global warming.

14 posted on 12/11/2013 1:08:24 PM PST by Aevery_Freeman (Remember who the real enemy is!)
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To: Crapgame

Short answer to your question is: John Dewey. He changed the subject of history into that of social science. His reasoning for the switch was that the future of America would be industrial. If citizens were too educated they wouldn’t stand for working in the assembly lines as the nation would require. Therefore, not only was reading instruction delayed and made more complex (sight reading); social science was emphasized which downplayed the role of individuals and political liberty to social classes and economic struggle/causes. This change took place in the early 20’s/30’s and was given new life by the radical 60’s.

The long answer is covered in the book, America Revised: History Schoolbooks in the 20th Century by Frances FitzGerald. Here’s a review at the Underground Grammarian: http://www.sourcetext.com/grammarian/


15 posted on 12/11/2013 1:09:45 PM PST by Madam Theophilus
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To: Crapgame

published 2005

Jonathan Kozol (born September 5, 1936 in Boston, MA) is a non-fiction writer, educator, and activist, best known for his books on public education in the United States. He has been working with children in inner-city schools for more than 40 years. Kozol is the patron saint of today’s powerful liberal educational establishment. While focusing mainly on poor and minority kids, he has preached his version of how kids should be educated, and his influence today is immense. Kozol is a fierce opponent of traditional learning, which he says deadens children’s souls. He believes that education cannot and should not be politically neutral. Indeed, the once outrageous idea that teachers should use their classrooms to espouse liberal/ radical views – i.e., to propagandize – can be traced directly to Jonathan Kozol. His views on the subject are laid out in his influential book, On Being a Teacher, which was written following a visit to Cuba in the mid-70s. Taking as his starting point the crude Marxist view that education in all societies is ‘a system of indoctrination,’ ‘an instrument of the state,’ he worked out a method by which teachers could subvert capitalist America’s bad indoctrination and – cleverly and subtly – substitute some good left-wing indoctrination in its place.” All the book’s model lessons aim to teach little children to withstand America’s state-sponsored brainwashing and to open them up to the self-evident truths of feminism, environmentalism, and the Left’s account of history. What’s so alarming is that, because Jonathan Kozol is so admired in the education establishment, his ideas are put into practice every day in classrooms all across America, from high school all the way down to preschool.

1968 - Jane Elliott, an American schoolteacher, created the famous “blue-eyed/brown-eyed” exercise. The exercise labeled participants as inferior or superior based solely upon the color of their eyes. She 1st conducted the exercise with grade school children. She exposed the students to the experience of being a minority by having them experience prejudice and bigotry. Elliott said she developed this encounter experience in response to the assassination of Martin Luther King Jr. on 4/08/1968. This launched her career in a new direction as an anti-racism/ feminist/ LGBTQ activist and educator. Today she is recognized as 1 of the 1st pioneers of diversity training.

Diversity training began in public organizations (military, government, colleges/universities) in the1960s as a reaction to the civil rights movement. The aim of these educational training sessions was to increase understanding and awareness of differences in race. At this time, the use of encounter groups was the primary training method. This encompassed bringing multiracial groups together for an emotional and confrontational discussion about racism. In the 1970s and 1980s diversity training began to include issues of gender differences. Beginning in the 1980s and 1990s, businesses began implementing diversity training to protect against civil rights suits. Also in the 1990s, diversity training expanded to address sexual orientation, age, religion, and national origin.

published 1980

Howard Zinn (August 24, 1922 – January 27, 2010) was an American historian, author, playwright, and social activist. He was a political science professor at Boston University for 24 years and taught history at Spelman College for 7 years. Zinn wrote more than 20 books, including his best-selling and influential A People's History of the United States.[2] He wrote extensively about the civil rights and anti-war movements, and labor history of the United States. Zinn was born to a Jewish immigrant family in Brooklyn. Eager to fight fascism, Zinn joined the U.S. Army Air Force during World War II and was assigned as a bombardier in the 490th Bombardment Group,[7] bombing targets in Berlin, Czechoslovakia, and Hungary.[8] As bombardier, Zinn dropped napalm bombs in April 1945 on Royan, a seaside resort in southwestern France.[9] The anti-war stance Zinn developed later was informed, in part, by his experiences. Zinn described himself as "something of an anarchist, something of a socialist. Maybe a democratic socialist." He suggested looking at socialism in its full historical context as a popular, positive idea that got a bad name from its association with Soviet Communism.

Howard Zinn claimed his eyes were opened to the racist, imperialist horror that is America by writer I.F. Stone, who later was confirmed to be a KGB covert influence agent when the Iron Curtain fell and certain Soviet documents became public.

Quote from the 1997 Hollywood fillm, “Good Will Hunting,” written by native Bostonian and political progressive, Matt Damon in the lead role: “You wanna read a really good American history book? Read Howard Zinn’s A People’s History of the United States. It will knock your socks off.”

A sample of his writing in The Progressive. Zinn’s contempt for America and its citizens fairly drips from each word: “The deeply ingrained belief — no, not from birth but from the educational system and from our culture in general that the United States is an especially virtuous nation makes us especially vulnerable to government deception. It starts early, in the first grade, when we are compelled to ‘pledge allegiance’ (before we even know what that means), forced to proclaim that we are a nation with ‘liberty and justice for all. … And then come the countless ceremonies, whether at the ballpark or elsewhere, where we are expected to stand and bow our heads during the singing of the ‘Star Spangled Banner,’ announcing that we are ‘the land of the free and the home of the brave.’ There is also the unofficial national anthem ‘God Bless America,’ and you are looked on with suspicion if you ask why we would expect God to single out this one nation — just 5 percent of the world’s population — for his or her blessing.”

16 posted on 12/11/2013 1:10:38 PM PST by MacNaughton
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To: Crapgame
It completely deconstructs American history. Everything seems to be reduced to race and gender issues.

My daughters' high school textbooks do the same thing. One of my daughters isn't interested in history, so when I often challenge what she is studying, she will say "Dad, I don't care. I just give them the answers they are expecting." Arrgghh. How many children have the same attitude?

To answer your question though - the main culprit? Its a corrupted money supply. You may think it a stretch, but the propagation of various top-down social engineering schemes and the grievance mongering games can only exist if there are benefits to be had by co-opting a massive federal government. And how is this paid for over decades? By a fiat money supply. There is no other way.

Change the US financial system at its root (ie. kill the Federal Reserve) and you change entirely the government's influence on society.

17 posted on 12/11/2013 1:10:44 PM PST by PGR88
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To: Madam Theophilus

P.S. One of the best books on Dewey, IMHO is

John Dewey and the Decline of American Education: How the Patron Saint of Schools Has Corrupted Teaching and Learning by Henry T. Edmondson III.


18 posted on 12/11/2013 1:11:03 PM PST by Madam Theophilus
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To: Crapgame

I was at an international education conference about 7-8 years ago. Robert Reich was one of the keynote speakers. He was going on and on about the “failures of the education system” over the past 30 years (since the early 60s). He blamed the failures on NCLB. Amusing rewrite of history, since NCLB didn’t become law until 2001. You should have seen all the sheep nodding along with his diatribe. During his question and answer period, I really wanted to ask him who he believes has been in control of education for the past 30 years. It wasn’t worth my job to take him on so publicly, but it was really tempting. There are so precious few of us in higher education, I chose to walk away from that battle and fight the fight in other ways.


19 posted on 12/11/2013 1:11:11 PM PST by Hoffer Rand (If you like your plan, you can keep your plan. *Asterisk.*)
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To: Crapgame
Public funding is to blame.

People supported by the state generally also support the state.

20 posted on 12/11/2013 1:12:06 PM PST by freerepublicchat
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To: Crapgame

I agree with those who fingered Dewey and the advent of social studies. More recently, the Zinn text which insures the few students who actually get a history course will get the anti-American version.


21 posted on 12/11/2013 1:15:24 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: Flintlock

I graduated from school in 1969. I loved history. But now as I look back I can see my teacher was very liberal.


22 posted on 12/11/2013 1:26:07 PM PST by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: Dr. Sivana

Thomas Dewey was “the little man on the wedding cake” who lost to FDR in 1944 and to Truman in 1948. If Dewey had won in 1948, Earl Warren would have become Vice President. If Dewey had then been re-elected in 1952, we wouldn’t have had a Warren Court.


23 posted on 12/11/2013 1:26:09 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: Crapgame

“Who”? Or “what”?

I guess the teachers unions might be to blame.

I think Darwin and Nietzsche have profoundly harmed our culture.

Supreme Courts have hurt us by their constant intrusion upon the culture—eliminating prayer, for instance.


24 posted on 12/11/2013 1:28:40 PM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: Crapgame

When I taught, my principle sent me to a social studies workshop two years ago to learn the new ss curriculum for the elementary level at our intermediary school district. I was shocked and dismayed to learn, and so were a few of the other teacher in attendance, that THE ONLY GRADE LEVEL AT WHICH STUDENTS ARE EXPOSED TO COLONIAL AND EARLY AMERICA, INCLUDING ALL OF THE FOUNDING DOCUMENTS IS IN FIFTH GRADE!!!!! High school will not even touch on it. This is in Michigan, and I’m sure this was in anticipation of the Common Core. I was shocked and let the facilitator know. He seemed shocked that I would be concerned that 5th grade would be the only time students would be exposed to our American history. I remember when I was in high school, 11th grade was devoted entirely to U.S. History.


25 posted on 12/11/2013 1:34:02 PM PST by FrdmLvr ("WE ARE ALL OSAMA, 0BAMA!" al-Qaeda terrorists who breached the American compound in Benghazi)
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To: Crapgame
The teaching of history in the US has been under attack from the Left for a long time. E. Merrill Root took issue with this in his book Brainwashing in the High Schools: An Examination of Eleven American History Textbooks (New York: Devin Adair, 1958). A more recent study is The Killing of History: How Literary Critics and Social Theorists Are Murdering Our Past (New York: Free Press, 1997) by Keith Windschuttle.

As to who caused the most damage, it's hard to say. William Appleman Williams arguably started "Cold War revisionism"--the idea tha the US and the West, not the Soviets, started the conflict--with his The Tragedy of American Diplomacy (New York: World, 1959), a trend that picked up steam as Denna F. Fleming, Gar Alperovitz, Gabriel Kolko and others picked up the torch. Today, the "revisionist" view of the Cold War seems to predominate in academia.

Other culprits include Paul de Man, Jacques Derrida and Michel Foucault, whose "deconstructionist" ideas began percolating through academia beginning in the 1970's and eventually reached the K through 12 curriculum. And, of course, there are the purveyors of "progressive" education from John Dewey forward.

26 posted on 12/11/2013 1:43:17 PM PST by Fiji Hill (Fight on!!)
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To: Dr. Sivana; Verginius Rufus

John Dewey was the philosopher and promoter of “progressive” education. Thomas Dewey was the New York governor and presidential hopeful.


27 posted on 12/11/2013 1:47:06 PM PST by Fiji Hill (Fight on!!)
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To: MacNaughton
Second the motion on Howard Zinn. Kids are being given his People's History as a primary source. Child abuse, IMHO.
28 posted on 12/11/2013 1:52:40 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: GeronL

I think we can trace this back to Horace Mann in the mid nineteenth century. He was a prime mover to put education under the control of the government. Nothing good has come of this.


29 posted on 12/11/2013 1:53:21 PM PST by Psiman (PS I am not a crackpot)
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To: Crapgame
Please don't make this a “take your kids out of public school” thread.
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Taking “your kids out of public ( socialist-entitlement) school” **is** the answer!

Thing about it.

There are entire counties and whole states where, if conservatives and God-fearing parents, removed their kids the entire corrupt and evil system would immediately collapse.

All schools ( private and socialist-entitlement schools) require two things: 1) students;2) Money. Starve the socialist-entitlement indoctrination camps of both and the beast disappears.

30 posted on 12/11/2013 1:56:46 PM PST by wintertime
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To: Verginius Rufus
Thomas Dewey was “the little man on the wedding cake” who lost to FDR in 1944 and to Truman in 1948. If Dewey had won in 1948, Earl Warren would have become Vice President. If Dewey had then been re-elected in 1952, we wouldn’t have had a Warren Court.

On the other hand, if Dewey had been re-elected in 1952, Vice President Warren might have been elected president in 1956. Then, instead of the Warren Court, we might have had the Abt Court or the Crockett Court.

31 posted on 12/11/2013 1:57:46 PM PST by Fiji Hill (Fight on!!)
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To: wac3rd

Agreed. The sodomization of our history seems to be in the early stages, but I bet that in 50 years or a generation, it will not be factually the same. The libtards will have “cleaned it up” so much to reflect their agenda that what we were taught will make us extremists or racists, or some other -ist. I just hope that these scum do not have access to the data storage systems to wipe the real American History it from existence.


32 posted on 12/11/2013 1:59:52 PM PST by SgtHooper (If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you.)
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To: Crapgame
Television and the easy affluent life of America's golden age meant students, teachers and parents weren't taking education that seriously. To that add the teachers colleges and education schools which downgraded facts in favor of opinions and educations. We didn't have the kind of rigorous examination system other countries had, so some overindulgence and decline of standards was likely.

Then there was the "race, gender, class" based pedagogy of the last few decades. It sounds like that's what's most on your mind. Teachers have been political liberal for some time, but at least they had to engage with facts and actual political history. The RGC approach meant that they could simply dismiss much of what had been taught earlier.

I wouldn't be that hard on "social studies" though. It was largely introduced in the earlier grades because pupils weren't thought ready for more adult and complicated history. In and of itself, that didn't prevent schools from teaching history later on. To be sure, the fads of progressive high schools back in the 40s and 50s were pretty ridiculous, but most high schools never threw over some teaching of American history over for social studies projects.

33 posted on 12/11/2013 2:03:38 PM PST by x
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To: wac3rd
t when the Progressives began running the textbook companies.
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Your statement implies that at some point there wasn't a problem and things were OK. Gee! If we could just go back to those better times the schools would be fixed. Some day the same will be said about Obamacare.

Please read John Gatto.

**Government owned and run, compulsory, single-payer, and collectivist K-12 schools was a Prog idea from the beginning in the mid1800s to early 1900s.

** The Progs have always controlled curriculum development and teacher training.

** The Progs have always been pushing at the edges of societies morals and ethics.

** The Progs have always pushed for greater and greater consolidation, state, and federal control.

** The Progs have always pushed for increasing secularization until, now, we have utterly godless schools that are not and never have been religiously neutral.

34 posted on 12/11/2013 2:03:58 PM PST by wintertime
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To: Crapgame
I teach at a local community college.

A few years ago, I read an interview by an instructor at Orange Coast College in Costa Mesa, Calif. who complained that her students didn't know the difference between wails, Wales and whales.

35 posted on 12/11/2013 2:05:07 PM PST by Fiji Hill (Fight on!!)
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To: Crapgame

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/IndividualDesc.asp?type=aca


36 posted on 12/11/2013 2:06:00 PM PST by Haddit
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To: Crapgame
I teach at a local community college.
I've been doing this for four years now and in particular, the text I use for The American Experience class has got me down. It completely deconstructs American history.

Do you HAVE TO use that book?
Can you choose another?
Can you make a stand to push for another book to teach your college students YOUR course, not THE course?
Do you have to teach 'to the book' or can you skim it and assign readings of other books or even archive newspaper stories (which would be very cool!)?

37 posted on 12/11/2013 2:15:39 PM PST by libertarian27 (FreeRepublic Cookbooks 2011 & 2012 - Click Profile)
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To: VerySadAmerican
You are right, but we can also dominate the discussion with Conservative thoughts and realities. At a local Community college, I had a geography class and the geo teacher was throwing in liberal points any chance he got.
But once he started on the anti-capitalism stand when talking about the "unfair Disadvantage" the U.S. had because of our "LUCK" at getting a country on the most balanced weather location on earth (relatively) and that was not "fair" to the rest of the world and look at all the starving.....
I then raised my hand and said that "No, the reason for famine anywhere in the world was for the most part, communism and/or dictatorships."
He started to try to refute me and so I asked him to name even ONE country that had a democratic, capitalist government that was suffering from famine.
He couldn't. Point made. He changed subject back to something that fit his liberal mind thought.
38 posted on 12/11/2013 2:17:27 PM PST by JSteff (It was ALL about SCOTUS.. We are DOOMED for several generations. . Who cares? Dem's did and voted!)
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To: Crapgame

“who in your collective opinion did more to destroy the teaching of history at the primary level for American children?”

Undoubtedly, it was the socialist-communist Thomas W. Valentine, New York Teacher’s Association, and his founding of the National Teacher’s Association (NTA) that merged with the American Teacher’s Association (ATA) to produce their successor, the National Education Association (NEA). The NEA subsequently championed socialist, Progressive, and communist causes through indoctirnation of students and American school administrations and administrators. The NTA unsuccessfully attempted to nationalize the schools of the United States and pattern their administration and curriculum after the Prussian authoritarian style of education in the post civil War era. This failure was increasingly reversed going into the Franklin Delano Roosevelt Administration, who was particularly influential in advancing their goals. The NEA was responsible for the lobbying efforts which established the Department of Education in the U.S. Government.

The NEA has been instrumental in working with members of the communist and socialist organizations and members to promote their causes throughout more than 150 years of U.S. history.


39 posted on 12/11/2013 2:21:41 PM PST by WhiskeyX ( provides a system for registering complaints about unfair broadcasters and the ability to request a)
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To: WhiskeyX
throughout more than 150 years of U.S. history.
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150 years is the age of our modern system of collectivist, compulsory, and single-payer schools. In other words, the schools were corrupt from the beginning and there was no magical year where the compulsory schools were OK.

It just bugs me when I see Freepers, who should know better, write, “My school in the 50s taught ‘x’”, or “It's the unions.”, and “Get rid of the Department of Education”.

I am **amazed** that so few conservatives recognize that collectivist government schools was EVIL from the beginning!

40 posted on 12/11/2013 2:28:11 PM PST by wintertime
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To: Crapgame

“We need to fight back on this critical battleground in order to preserve our future generations.”

Conservatives need to have more children, teach them Godly, conservative values, and inspire their children to become teachers and education leaders.


41 posted on 12/11/2013 2:28:20 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; me = independent conservative)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Anyone demonstrating the least hint of conservative values is denied access to the teaching profession, or driven out of the teaching profession if they should succeed in escaping notice while earning their Bachelor’s degree in education.


42 posted on 12/11/2013 2:34:22 PM PST by WhiskeyX ( provides a system for registering complaints about unfair broadcasters and the ability to request a)
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To: Crapgame

I think you probably can start with philosopher John Dewey, whose ideas were fundamental to having government control education in the 1920s. While the so-called public school dates back to the 1800s, it was really Dewey who saw the potential for propagandizing kids-—especially new immigrants-—through the school system.


43 posted on 12/11/2013 2:34:51 PM PST by LS ('Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually.' Hendrix)
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To: WhiskeyX
Anyone demonstrating the least hint of conservative values is denied access to the teaching profession, or driven out of the teaching profession if they should succeed in escaping notice while earning their Bachelor’s degree in education.

You get it! Nearly every teacher in this nation ( both private and government schooling) has gone through this Marxist hazing in their godless and Marxist-run colleges and universities.

44 posted on 12/11/2013 2:36:47 PM PST by wintertime
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To: Jack Hydrazine

become teachers and education leaders
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They need to inspire their children to creatively invent entirely different venues of education other than the Prussian monstrosity followed by the government schools and far too many private schools.

Government schooling is socialist-entitlement, collectivist, and single-payer schooling. It must be eliminated because it is fundamentally corrupt.


45 posted on 12/11/2013 2:40:10 PM PST by wintertime
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To: wintertime

I understand the desire for many conservatives to remove their kids from public schools. I largely agree. My own children attend Catholic schools and my wife and I are highly engaged in their education.

Thanks for the many responses though I am surprised that no one has fingered Charles Beard as a culprit in the decline of American history teaching.

Finally, yes I am required to use this text. As an adjunct I have no say in the selection of texts for the class. I take pains to point out inconsistencies and what I consider errors on the part of the publishers when I present their powerpoints. One good thing, since Christmas break is upon us next week, I have a full month to go through the 30 odd Powerpoints provided by the publisher and edit them to better suit what I think should be the focus of American history.


46 posted on 12/11/2013 2:47:32 PM PST by Crapgame (What should be taught in our schools? American Exceptionalism, not cultural Marxism...)
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To: Crapgame

There were lots of causes but I think The Immigration Act of 1965 was key. It was designed by Teddy Kennedy and his liberal cohort to multiculturalize America. Denying the country’s founding principles and history has been part and parcel of that fateful legislation’s goal.


47 posted on 12/11/2013 2:49:31 PM PST by Bernard Marx
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To: wintertime

What schooling models out there work well that are not Prussian-modeled and not run by collectivists?


48 posted on 12/11/2013 2:57:14 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; me = independent conservative)
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To: Crapgame
Charles Beard's An Economic Interpretation of the Constitution the United States was published as the first wave of progressivism crested over our nation.

It impugned the character of the Framers as money grubbing capitalists who set up a system to protect their gains and keep the people down.

It took the better part of 40-50 years for real historians (Adair, Wood) to refute Beard, but the damage was done. Beardian history facilitated the radical leaps of the New Deal, Great Society, Obama.

Our Framers suffered a hit to their public standing and respect from which they have not recovered.

49 posted on 12/11/2013 2:58:32 PM PST by Jacquerie (History is dialogue in the present with the past about the future.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Ultimately, the only system of education that is truly effective is the one which facilitates life-long self-education. Teachers and tutors can assist an individual to educate themselves, but the student is ultimately responsible for recognizing their own obligation for teaching themselves with whatever resources can be exploited under the circumstances. The present educational system is designed to defeat any efforts to escape the indoctrination and re-education doctrines.


50 posted on 12/11/2013 3:14:21 PM PST by WhiskeyX ( provides a system for registering complaints about unfair broadcasters and the ability to request a)
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