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"CNN Viewer Has Questions" for Mike Rowe of 'Dirty Jobs'
profoundlydisconnected ^ | November 4, 2013 | Mike Rowe

Posted on 12/14/2013 4:07:50 PM PST by virgil283

"JB: How can the middle class send their kids to college for “four or more years” when the Republicans have made it far too expensive with raising interest rates on school loans and wanting to end federal grants?"----- "MR: Your question implies that the middle class should be borrowing money to send their kids to an expensive four-year college. You also imply that college is far too expensive because interest rates on student loans are too high. Might I respectfully challenge both implications?"......

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TOPICS: Education; Society
KEYWORDS: education; mikerowe
"Since 1985, college tuition has increased at nearly 500 times the rate of inflation. Can you imagine the same jump in any other area? Food, housing, medicine, energy? If everything we need to live increased in price at the same rate as college tuition, there would be a national riot in about 10 minutes. So what really happened in the marketplace to allow college to get so expensive? Is it really all because Republicans want to raise the rates on student loans?

Think about it. Universities get to decide how much money to charge their students. Likewise, parents and students decide if they can afford to pay it. It’s a pretty simple proposition. But when the government suddenly makes hundreds of billions of dollars in student loans readily available — under the popular (and voter-friendly) theory that “everyone should go to college” — we see an unintended consequence. We see colleges suddenly motivated to charge more money. A lot more. And so they embark on their own PR campaigns to boost enrollment. They hire ad agencies and publicists and lobbyists and go about the business of persuading people to “invest in their future.” And most importantly, they provide an admissions department to help arrange for an affordable student loan. This is what’s been happening for the last 40 years.

If blame is your thing, there’s plenty to go around. Republicans and Democrats have both allowed a trillion dollars of public money to flow freely between students and colleges with no real accountability for the results. And millions of well-intended parents and guidance counselors are still pushing the idea that a four-year degree is the only viable path to happiness. This in spite of the fact that the vast majority of available jobs no longer require a diploma — they require the willingness to learn a useful skill. And that kind of training does not demand the type of massive borrowing that has put college graduates a trillion dollars in the hole."......(more)

1 posted on 12/14/2013 4:07:51 PM PST by virgil283
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Sarah Adkins "Not to be rude or ungrateful here but Mike, but those jobs are considered "men's jobs". Since I was teenager I've been turned away from those jobs and treated pretty poorly by those looking to hire for such a job. I was more than willing to work my way up. I can MIG weld and arc weld, I've used a ridiculous number of hand tools, and learned mold making and casting. Everywhere you look they only hire men, not women for the jobs you list."

..I've worked with peopl like this...they want the top job on the first day because they went to some school...

2 posted on 12/14/2013 4:10:28 PM PST by virgil283 (When the sun spins, the cross appears, and the skies burn red)
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To: virgil283

If no one will hire you, then hire yourself.


3 posted on 12/14/2013 4:14:29 PM PST by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: virgil283

A great (2011) speech by Mike Rowe here about his dawning realization that just maybe PETA, OSHA and many others do more harm than good.

Mike Rowe on Discovery, Realization and Lamb Castration

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2650612/posts


4 posted on 12/14/2013 4:16:51 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: virgil283

I wonder WHERE she’s job hunting. Out here in the Nevada gold country, jobs would come hunting for her!


5 posted on 12/14/2013 4:17:33 PM PST by JennysCool (My hypocrisy goes only so far)
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To: virgil283
Entitlement Nation Entitlement Nation preceded and presaged the Obamanation. It's citizens are as much to blame for the current mess this Nation is in as anyone could be.

God save us from their all consuming arrogance!


6 posted on 12/14/2013 4:18:54 PM PST by MeshugeMikey ( Visit http://icantenroll.com/ In Glitch We Trust....;o})
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To: virgil283
Countdown to liberals calling for Discovery Channel and Ford to fire Rowe and then labeling him a right-wing extremist...5..4...3

Rowe laid the smackdown on these goobers.

7 posted on 12/14/2013 4:19:06 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Governor Sarah Heath Palin for President of the United States in 2016)
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To: virgil283

bttt


8 posted on 12/14/2013 4:21:32 PM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: virgil283

I used to deal with the self entitled type when I was a factory foreman. They assumed that just because they had an engineering degree, they would walk through the factory door and straight to the front office and it just wasn’t going to happen.

The best designer in the place got his engineering degree after working 30 years as a shop rat. After all that time he didn’t need the degree to do the job, he needed the degree to get the pay.


9 posted on 12/14/2013 4:23:16 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: virgil283
California University system has .78 employees for every student enrolled. One of the trustees is Richard Blum, husband to Dianne Not-so-feinstein.
10 posted on 12/14/2013 4:24:30 PM PST by Foolsgold (Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

They won’t. They know there is too much money in the Turtleman, Duck Dynasty, Hardcore Pawn demographic.

I don’t know if any other Demographic has grown exponentially on the tv screens like the middle aged middle america white.


11 posted on 12/14/2013 4:25:01 PM PST by ObamahatesPACoal
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To: virgil283

Elizabeth Warren, Fauxahontas, got paid over $300,000 for teaching one course at Harvard. If that’s representative, no wonder Harvard costs so much! I’m sure there are people like her at other schools. Yeah, blame Republicans for keeping interest rates at market values.

Don’t blame one-percenters like Warren.


12 posted on 12/14/2013 4:32:12 PM PST by DBrow
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Mike Rowe under the Soo Locks in an upper peninsula winter.

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The guys who do that job normally make damn good money and they earn and deserve it. I'm sure there are a few college degrees among them as requirements but I'm guessing only a handful of those degrees are really necessary to do the job.

There is no better school than on the job training.
13 posted on 12/14/2013 4:33:55 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: virgil283

>>Sarah Adkins “Not to be rude or ungrateful here but Mike, but those jobs are considered “men’s jobs”. Since I was teenager I’ve been turned away from those jobs and treated pretty poorly by those looking to hire for such a job. I was more than willing to work my way up. I can MIG weld and arc weld, I’ve used a ridiculous number of hand tools, and learned mold making and casting. Everywhere you look they only hire men, not women for the jobs you list.”

I work in industry. If she is telling the truth about her qualifications, she wouldn’t even have to apply for a job.

Of course, the fact that she’s “used a ridiculous number of hand tools” makes me think that she’s a liar. A real tool-user never considers any number of tools used as “ridiculous”.


14 posted on 12/14/2013 4:34:28 PM PST by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: cripplecreek

>>After all that time he didn’t need the degree to do the job, he needed the degree to get the pay.

And that is exactly what is wrong with the system.


15 posted on 12/14/2013 4:36:49 PM PST by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: virgil283

Meritocracy. It’s part of the government-college-human resources complex. You can never get there unless you buy your way in through a useless degree in a subject that has nothing to do with your prospective line of work.

The wealthiest individuals in the US ditched college to persue their own goals, and succeeded. They see this avenue as a potential source of competition, and will do whatever it takes to make sure that doesn’t happen.

This is why most college grads have the equivalent education of a 10th grader from 25 years ago.


16 posted on 12/14/2013 4:40:16 PM PST by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: virgil283

Miss Adkins is very wrong. Some of the best weldors I know were women but most women didn’t care for the dirt and grit of many welding jobs.

What matters in most places is passing that welding test and that’s a straight up pass or fail, no in be tweens.


17 posted on 12/14/2013 4:41:16 PM PST by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: Bryanw92

He was the best design engineer in the place because he knew that we had limited time to do various jobs and he didn’t slow us down when he was testing the job himself.

The pure college engineers got in the way and slowed us down. They would bring 5 parts for us to run and those parts would take 20 minutes each when our rate gave us about 20 seconds per part.

With Bob, if he needed some test parts he would just use our station for a few minutes and do it himself or set up a station for himself. Most important was the fact that he asked questions.


18 posted on 12/14/2013 4:50:14 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: virgil283

And another lie accepted by the LIV: the Republicans want to raise interest rates on student loans. WRONG! The built-in rate hike is part of 0bamacare. It was part of the nationalization of student loans and the increased rate was intended to partially finance 0bamacaare. Not one Republican voted for it.


19 posted on 12/14/2013 5:10:46 PM PST by henkster (Communists never negotiate.)
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To: virgil283
Since 1985, college tuition has increased at nearly 500 times the rate of inflation.

That has to be 500%, which is bad enough. It is not 500 times the rate of inflation.

You have to get your numbers straight if you want anyone to take you seriously.

20 posted on 12/14/2013 5:23:53 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Who knew that one day professional wrestling would be less fake than professional journalism?)
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To: virgil283

How can the middle class send their kids to college for “four or more years” when the Republicans have made it far too expensive with raising interest rates on school loans and wanting to end federal grants?”-——

God Lord people are stupid..
No Republican or Democrat for that matter, unless they are on the Board of any Coolege, has anything to do with the rising cost of College.


21 posted on 12/14/2013 5:56:41 PM PST by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I go to sign is for the American Revolution 2013 and the Crusades 2013?)
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To: virgil283

To this women I would say..im a network engineer..I make 6 figures..I went to a trade school not college. I lost an arm at 15 and never got any of those hi pay manual labor “men only” jobs you refer to...


22 posted on 12/14/2013 6:04:47 PM PST by tophat9000 (Are we headed to a Cracker Slacker War?)
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To: cripplecreek
There is no better school than on the job training.

Same here with me.

I worked fast-food during high school. Went to the Navy, got out and worked in the paper mills.

I've worked retail, light industrial, office/clerical, and restaurant, before getting a 2-year Associates Degree.

23 posted on 12/14/2013 6:08:07 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Governor Sarah Heath Palin for President of the United States in 2016)
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To: factoryrat

“This is why most college grads have the equivalent education of a 10th grader from 25 years ago.”

DING DING DING DING1 We have our winner!


24 posted on 12/14/2013 6:19:23 PM PST by outofsalt (e have)
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To: cripplecreek

“He didn’t need the degree to do the job he needed the degree to do the pay”.....so true..and the truth is one you learn what your doing and then you go to school..you know the meat vs the bs filler in class


25 posted on 12/14/2013 6:19:50 PM PST by tophat9000 (Are we headed to a Cracker Slacker War?)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum; virgil283

Even with these low inflation rates for the past 10yrs, 500x would be a large amount:

http://www.usinflationcalculator.com/inflation/current-inflation-rates/


26 posted on 12/14/2013 7:30:50 PM PST by carriage_hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Grew up in farming (hated it), did some summer construction jobs, went in the Navy and got out after 4 years, did various little jobs plus some NG/Reserves while going to tech college.

Got into the TV field, went to another tech college to learn to fix computers and later transitioned to the IT field.


27 posted on 12/14/2013 7:31:41 PM PST by wally_bert (There are no winners in a game of losers. I'm Tommy Joyce, welcome to the Oriental Lounge.)
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Btw, people WILL work their butt off, Mike, if paid a fair living wage and have affordable healthcare.

I shot milk out my nose at that one.

28 posted on 12/14/2013 8:43:14 PM PST by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

I think they already cancelled Dirty Jobs.


29 posted on 12/14/2013 8:55:44 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: virgil283

I do not know where or when this “Student loan” thing started. I put myself through college working in a tire factory during the summer. I smelled like burning rubber for the first couple of weeks of the term (Really put a crimp in my social life) but I didn’t take out any loans.

Why is this even an issue? (Rhetorical)


30 posted on 12/14/2013 9:36:17 PM PST by Chuckster (The longer I live the less I care about what you think.)
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To: virgil283
JB: Getting their hands dirty isn’t the problem. Being paid minimum wage with no Health Care IS the problem!

I admire Rowe's ability to be so polite to these people. I could not do it. Willful ignorance offends me.

31 posted on 12/14/2013 10:13:07 PM PST by TChad (The Obamacare Motto: Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori.)
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To: cripplecreek
I was a high level engineering manager. My prime candidates had 2 major qualifications:

1. A BS degree in a hard field, math, physics, engineering, etc.

2. Several years of military service.

Gets rid of 90% of the dirtballs.

32 posted on 12/15/2013 7:57:02 AM PST by where's_the_Outrage? (Held my nose to vote.)
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