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Posted on 12/15/2013 6:17:32 AM PST by Kaslin
Wendy60 wrote: The neoconservatives are the reason why Boehner is not putting up a fight. The neocons do the thinking for the Republican leadership on all matters of strategy and morality in politics. Boehner wouldn't take a dump if the neocons told him not to, and if they told him to do so, he would strain for hours. Neocons want tax increases, because paying higher taxes is a sacrifice. Neocons believe that the little people have to be forced into sacrificing for the "collective self," i.e., the state, because that is the only way to preserve the social order. What they really want to protect is the philosopher - from the vicissitudes of real life. - GOP Fairy Tale: We Came, We Saw, We Surrendered
Dear Comrade Wendy,
I didnt know there were any neoconservatives left. I suppose by neoconservative you mean guys like John McCain? Or are you a true liberal and just use the term for anyone who doesnt agree with you?
Its hard to tell from your rant what you are talking about specifically. You might notice that Boehner couldnt even bring up his Plan B- or the Morning-After Tax as I like to call it- up for a vote.
Boehners Plan B was a Morning-After Tax because it attempts to fix a several decade-long, promiscuous love affair with federal spending in way that is consequence-free for almost everyone. And standing up for the victims of the plan is just considered bad taste.
What plan could be better than that for liberals??!!
I dont know you can make the case the neocons want tax increases when there hasnt been a vote. So perhaps the neocons, or RINOs or whatever term you are thinking of in that disordered mind sheltered from the vicissitudes of real life dont have as much sway as you think.
Canetoad wrote: Let's face it you lost, you don't get to call the shots. Obstruction by the minority is not a good look. If you are so damn sure the President is doomed to failure, you can rejoice because next time around you will be there to pick up the pieces. Democrats had to wait until 2008 to start putting the economy back together again, so if you are right you just need to be patient. By the way, time to do something about those extra pounds, honestly, I love our little back and forths, don't want you falling off the perch. - GOP Fairy Tale: We Came, We Saw, We Surrendered
Dear Comrade Toad,
Did I ever tell you how much I enjoyed your Wild Ride at Disney when I was a kid?
I really did.
I didnt lose anything actually. If you are referring to the election I would say that its pretty much a tie at this point.
There isnt much different now than there was last year. I think Americans are reserving judgment.
Of course thats disappointing because Obama- speaking purely objectively- has been truly the worst president we have ever had.
Worst jobs recovery ever; worst budgeting ever; worst foreign policy; worst economic growth. Carter added $690 billion in GDP in four years, while Obama only added $750 billion in GDP in four years- in real terms. He also owns the lowest tax revenues as a percent of GDP.
Gosh I dont know how those terrible Republicans under George W got so much tax revenue with the same tax rates Obama has. Oh yeah, thats right. They cared about economic growth. And they didnt give tax breaks to their corporate cronies like Obama has. The GOP breaks went across the board.
You guys really care about tax revenues? Quit holding back the economy. It's the key to our fiscal mess.
As to the extra pounds, its an occupational hazard.
Kibitzer wrote: Mr. Ransom what do you not understand about the fact that the higher tax rates for everyone are already the law of the land, and Obama and Senate Democrats aren't going to negotiate away the rate increase for the "rich" that they win by doing nothing. - GOP Fairy Tale: We Came, We Saw, We Surrendered
Dear Comrade Kibitzer,
I understand it perfectly. But heres the thing: The Republicans wont take all the blame for tax increases on everyone if it happens.
In fact, theyll take little of the blame, despite what polls say about whos responsible for the fiscal cliff.
Ask voters generally speaking which party wants higher taxes and which party wants lower taxes. Just because voters and the public are momentarily caught up in the tax lust that the Democrats rely on to get more money for government by taxing someone else wont change the fact that on election day Obama and the Democrats will have to be the party of higher taxes no matter what.
Republicans have little to lose by doing nothing.
RyanM wrote: Not since the poilus surrendered to Hitler in 45 days has an opponent backed up so much talk with so little fight."
Give me a break. The French took a million casualties during the 1940 campaign. They lost not from a lack of will to fight, but to incompetent commanders who saddled themselves with an obsolete doctrine. - GOP Fairy Tale: We Came, We Saw, We Surrendered
Dear Comrade Private Ryan,
Eh, the French lost 50,000-85,000 killed and about 120,000 wounded in the Battle of France, not even nearly close to the million you claim. A million and a half Frenchman surrendered however rather than fight.
Actually, morale was a serious problem for the French in the Franco-Prussian War, World War I and World War II, hence the jokes, which have become commonplace, about French troops not wanting to fight.
But the incompetent commanders who saddled themselves with an obsolete doctrine sounds like the Democrats and their brand of socialism. It seems they have built in our economy an exact replica of the Maginot Line, kind of a Maginot economy: centrally-planned, static everywhere and too costly to complete.
Next time, for all thats holy, please read the book. Dont just look at the pictures.
Dick4260 wrote: We have restrictions on automobiles --- licenses, inspections, traffic lights, even parking. They don't prevent accidents entirely, but what's such a big deal about putting restrictions on automatic weapons which are even more deadly? Almost everybody can own a car, but nobody's protesting the sensible restrictions that go with automobile use. I'm an army vet and a gun owner. Not all gun owners agree with the NRA.- Thanks for the Gun, Stupid
Dear Comrade Dick Numbered 4260,
More people die in auto accidents than in gun violence every year. Plus as our Constitution says "A well-regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
Your argument seems to be that since we regulate something, we ought to regulate everything, which, sadly, is probably your point. Because its definitely the point of the politicians in power, especially liberals. "Because I said so" seems to be the argument liberals mostly make now.
Stuart95 wote: Makes you wonder why the constant murder of young blacks by other young blacks in urban areas hardly merits a raised eyebrow from the Left and their flying monkeys in the MSM, but when 20 white kids are murdered, suddenly the Left and MSM can think of nothing else. If you hadn't heard that it is the Left that selflessly and constantly champions the minorities and that it is the Right that is hopelessly bigoted, you might draw the wrong conclusion. - Thanks for the Gun, Stupid
Obama’s tax-the-rich myth was exposed very early in his 1st term with his huge increase in tobacco tax (imo) but it didn’t seem to sink in for the American people.
I have a 1936 French MAS bolt action rifle. Got it in pristine condition. By the looks of it, it was dropped once, never fired. [BTW, ammo for that caliber -7.5X54 - is extremely hard to come by nowdays]
Anyone who has a non-union private sector job is “the rich.”
It’s a myth that most Americans still believe and always will.
I guess we can say their faith in "democracy" is greater than their acknowledgement of reality, and it shall always be.
I’m surprised that Ransom is not aware the “Neocon” is a lefty code word for “Jew”. It has nothing to do with establishment RINOs like McCain.
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I believe Obamacare is different. Usually the pols are able to hide the tax increases by only targeting part of the population (tobacco, the rich, etc). It's always "someone else" who takes the hit.
Obamacare hits everyone. I think they miscalculated badly and there will be blowback.
What do you mean tax the rich myth? That is no myth that he wants to tax the rich more.
Neo-cons are those who want war as the solution to international problems. McCain is as big as they come. They say 'everything is on the table' which means everything but peace.
Yanno, I’d be happy if Obama just spent the money raised from taxes, instead of adding a Trillion Dollars a year to our National Debt on top of the high taxes.
Try this link: 7.5 French
It's dearer than gold, no? One might better hang that nice piece on the wall and go out and buy an inexpensive (but much better) AR-15. You get one of those for about the price of 230 rounds of the French ammo.
But, you probably have a nice one already by now. Who on this forum doesn't?
Yeah. I’ve watch that for 2-3 weeks now. $ 2+ a round is more than I want to pay just now.
I didn’t word that very well. I meant the myth that he would only tax the rich and no one below a certain income, then one of the early things he did was his huge tobacco tax which hits the poor harder than anyone.