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Noah's Ark 'Was a Massive Double-Decker Coracle'
International Business Times ^ | 15 Dec 2013 | Fiona Keating

Posted on 12/16/2013 10:52:52 AM PST by Theoria

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To: El Cid

What’s Gopher Wood?


101 posted on 12/16/2013 1:06:05 PM PST by Natufian (t)
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To: Theoria

How did the two kiwi birds, which have no wings and cannot swim, get off of the ark and get down to New Zealand; and they are not found anywhere else in the world. Never mind the all of the different species of kangaroos found only in Australia.


102 posted on 12/16/2013 1:07:23 PM PST by forgotten man
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To: gdani
Never mind the size of the Ark - how did he keep the animals from killing each other & the humans?

According to Genesis 1, man and all the animals were vegetarians:

Genesis 1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.

This changed after the flood. In Genesis 9:

Genesis 9:2 And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth, and upon every fowl of the air, upon all that moveth upon the earth, and upon all the fishes of the sea; into your hand are they delivered.

3 Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.

103 posted on 12/16/2013 1:10:13 PM PST by Ol' Dan Tucker (People should not be afraid of the government. Government should be afraid of the people)
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To: El Cid

My father is a preacher so I did take it literally for about 10 years, too long by my estimation. The bumping my head off walls of logic (or illogic) is enlightening, not frightening.


104 posted on 12/16/2013 1:11:54 PM PST by Fuzz
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To: forgotten man

They hitched a ride with Noah’s 8 descendants who populated the entire planet. Coconuts don’t migrate, however.


105 posted on 12/16/2013 1:13:30 PM PST by Fuzz
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To: Natufian
What’s Gopher Wood?

Another, 'I don't know'.

Could be plywood, composite wood ... or maybe it was some special super-dooper water resistant wood that no longer exists.
I thought the 'pitching' inside and out was the important part to ensure the water proof seal, but maybe the gopher wood (whatever that was) was also important.

106 posted on 12/16/2013 1:16:05 PM PST by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: Fuzz
How could 100 different cultures scattered throughout the world have the same story if the only people that survived were from just one of those cultures?

Genesis 11:11 And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech.

2 And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they found a plain in the land of Shinar; and they dwelt there.

3 And they said one to another, Go to, let us make brick, and burn them thoroughly. And they had brick for stone, and slime had they for morter.

4 And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth.

5 And the Lord came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded.

6 And the Lord said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.

7 Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.

8 So the Lord scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city.

9 Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the Lord did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the Lord scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.

107 posted on 12/16/2013 1:16:08 PM PST by Ol' Dan Tucker (People should not be afraid of the government. Government should be afraid of the people)
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To: Repeat Offender

“all with knowledge of the flood. “

But all of them (except one) forgot about Noah. Seems strange given that he’s the central character and hero of the story.


108 posted on 12/16/2013 1:16:58 PM PST by Natufian (t)
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To: GeronL
Isn’t the way they usually built things back then?

I believe so. "Rivets" seemed out of place.

109 posted on 12/16/2013 1:17:58 PM PST by tacticalogic
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To: Fuzz
My father is a preacher so I did take it literally for about 10 years, too long by my estimation.

I am sorry that you came to a point to reject the truth. Hopefully it is just a rebellious phase.

110 posted on 12/16/2013 1:18:57 PM PST by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: El Cid

Gopher wood?

I had the same question of why they were ignoring the detailed instructions in the Bible.


111 posted on 12/16/2013 1:19:28 PM PST by OldNewYork (I have voted against free ice cream. And I will do it again.)
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To: Repeat Offender

Not forgetting the Egyptians who have a written history that precedes, is co-existent with, and which continues uninterruptedly after the time of the Flood, yet somehow they were unaware of that catastrophic global event. Not forgetting the Chinese who also have no memory of such a flood.


112 posted on 12/16/2013 1:19:36 PM PST by Natufian (t)
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To: Natufian
But all of them (except one) forgot about Noah. Seems strange given that he’s the central character and hero of the story.

It is not a big deal that different cultures called Noah by different names. Utnapishtim from Sumeria, Menu from India, Nu-ah from China, etc.

113 posted on 12/16/2013 1:22:55 PM PST by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: El Cid

I’ll take my chances with explanations that don’t defy credulity, especially when I’m specifically asked to reject logic.


114 posted on 12/16/2013 1:23:15 PM PST by Fuzz
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To: MrB

That was my point to molsen209 in post #3.

I don’t use the /sarc tag in cases like this....


115 posted on 12/16/2013 1:24:05 PM PST by G Larry (Let his days be few; and let another take his office. Psalms 109:8)
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To: Rebelbase

Where is that?


116 posted on 12/16/2013 1:24:50 PM PST by Lady Heron
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To: Theoria

What I really came here to say was that Genesis is pretty clear on the dimensions....which do NOT result in a circular ark.

“Right.....What’s a cubit”

“Let me see....I used to know....”


117 posted on 12/16/2013 1:26:06 PM PST by G Larry (Let his days be few; and let another take his office. Psalms 109:8)
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To: Fuzz

The world is a hologram!!!

/sarc


118 posted on 12/16/2013 1:26:56 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: Fuzz
Coconuts don’t migrate, however.

They could have been carried by swallows.

119 posted on 12/16/2013 1:27:01 PM PST by sportutegrl
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

Comes out in March. I supplied most of the wood to build the two arks.
http://www.braylog.com/id41.html

Pray America is Waking


120 posted on 12/16/2013 1:28:41 PM PST by bray (Repeal Obamacare)
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To: IYAS9YAS
http://www.godtube.com/watch/?v=WL7YYLNX
121 posted on 12/16/2013 1:36:50 PM PST by NCjim (Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.)
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To: sportutegrl
The could have been carried by African swallows

But African swallows are non-migratory, sorry

122 posted on 12/16/2013 1:39:17 PM PST by par4
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To: Obadiah
If the flood was a fable then why is there fossilized evidence of sea life all along the top of the Himalayas, including at the Mt. Everest?

Because mountains are created when two plates colide and push the sea floor upward. We also know that there used to be many inland seas. This explains your questions but in no way debunks Noah or tries to refute the bible. Accept simple scientifc truths when they are clear.

123 posted on 12/16/2013 1:40:02 PM PST by BubbaBasher ("Liberty will not long survive the total extinction of morals" - Sam Adams)
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To: sportutegrl; Fuzz

Not European swallows, mind you. Only a pair of African swallows. On a strand of creeper. Held under the dorsal guiding feather.


124 posted on 12/16/2013 1:44:37 PM PST by Scoutmaster (I'd rather be at Philmont)
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To: Theoria

125 posted on 12/16/2013 2:29:32 PM PST by American Constitutionalist
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To: GeronL
And we get our oil from all the dead sea creatures and plants that were buried under all that water.
Or was it from dinos ?
126 posted on 12/16/2013 2:33:30 PM PST by American Constitutionalist
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To: American Constitutionalist

I really don’t think it came from dino’s. I have a hard time believing that oil came from all the dead plants and creatures millions of years ago. There was always much more abundant plant life than animal life.


127 posted on 12/16/2013 2:37:09 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: Theoria

The Noah’s ark “myth”?


128 posted on 12/16/2013 2:43:06 PM PST by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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To: Fuzz
" literally "

Thems are called " Fundamentalist "

Some aspects and interpretations of some places of the bible could be taken literally when it is in it's proper context and other times as Jesus Christ sometimes would speak in parables taken as in a allegory.
The bible translates or rather the bible interprets the bible by it's self.
The book of the Revelation of Jesus Christ is a " revelation " of Jesus Christ with many images, symbolic meanings, types, so on and so on.
When Jesus said about being it's so hard to get a camel through a eye of a needle ? does he mean that we should take a camel and try that ? impossible... it was symbolic.
129 posted on 12/16/2013 2:51:46 PM PST by American Constitutionalist
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To: American Constitutionalist

However, you put a needle through a camel, and you’re asking for trouble.


130 posted on 12/16/2013 2:52:53 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: MrB

yeah he might bite you and all that spit.


131 posted on 12/16/2013 2:56:56 PM PST by American Constitutionalist
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To: GeronL

Don’t even get me started on the cost over runs!!! ;-)


132 posted on 12/16/2013 2:58:08 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: American Constitutionalist

“Some aspects and interpretations of some places of the bible could be taken literally when it is in it’s proper context and other times as Jesus Christ sometimes would speak in parables taken as in a allegory.”

I get that. I’m attempting to clarify which is the flood, Noah’s tale, tower of Babel etc are. Are they allegories or historical accounts of what actually happened.

“The bible translates or rather the bible interprets the bible by it’s self.”

That’s convenient, and yet makes no sense.

No one ever tried to tell me the camel through the eye of the needle story was about a real miraculous camel who could squeeze through tight spaces.


133 posted on 12/16/2013 3:09:59 PM PST by Fuzz
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To: Kartographer

lol


134 posted on 12/16/2013 3:12:16 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: sportutegrl

African swallows?


135 posted on 12/16/2013 3:29:56 PM PST by sopwith (LIVE FREE OR DIE)
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To: MrB
,i."However, you put a needle through a camel, and you’re asking for trouble."

HEY!!!watch it with that!!! ;-)

136 posted on 12/16/2013 3:42:16 PM PST by camle (keep an open mind and someone will fill it full of something for you)
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To: Fuzz
" No one ever tried to tell me the camel through the eye of the needle story was about a real miraculous camel who could squeeze through tight spaces. "

That's why it is not something to be taken literally.
Jesus was trying to make a point with a mental picture of how it's more difficult for a rich man to make it to heaven because his heart is on his wealth than on God then it is for a camel to be squeezed through the eye of a needle.
He was making contrasts of 2 different things.
137 posted on 12/16/2013 3:52:56 PM PST by American Constitutionalist
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To: American Constitutionalist

Yeah, it’s obvious this is going nowhere. I don’t appear to be communicating well enough to be understood.


138 posted on 12/16/2013 3:57:33 PM PST by Fuzz
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To: Fuzz
Oh your commincating very well.

About the bible interpreting the bible it's self ?
Study up on it, you'll see.
Perhaps this is not going anywhere because I am not following a certain preconceived agenda.

139 posted on 12/16/2013 4:01:29 PM PST by American Constitutionalist
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To: American Constitutionalist

“Perhaps this is not going anywhere because I am not following a certain preconceived agenda.”

I’m sure that’s it.


140 posted on 12/16/2013 4:07:02 PM PST by Fuzz
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To: All

I read somewhere that a cubit was the length of a man’s inside forearm,from the wrist to the elbow joint. I also read that the bottom of the Ark had a hole,where the animal waste could be shoveled into the sea.


141 posted on 12/16/2013 4:11:10 PM PST by 4yearlurker (Some people say that experts agree!!)
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To: Natufian

American Indians had a oral history of a great flood.


142 posted on 12/16/2013 4:15:54 PM PST by 4yearlurker (Some people say that experts agree!!)
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To: Natufian
Not forgetting the Egyptians who have a written history that precedes, is co-existent with, and which continues uninterruptedly after the time of the Flood, yet somehow they were unaware of that catastrophic global event.

Egypt: People have become rebellious. Atum said he will destroy all he made and return the earth to the Primordial Water which was its original state. Atum will remain, in the form of a serpent, with Osiris. [Faulkner, plate 30] (Unfortunately the version of the papyrus with the flood story is damaged and unclear. See also Budge, p. ccii.) Link

Not forgetting the Chinese who also have no memory of such a flood.

China The Chinese classic called the Hihking tells about "the family of Fuhi," that was saved from a great flood. This ancient story tells that the entire land was flooded; the mountains and everything, however one family survived in a boat. The Chinese consider this man the father of their civilization. This record indicates that Fuhi, his wife, three sons, and three daughters were the only people that escaped the great flood. It is claimed, that he and his family were the only people alive on earth, and repopulated the world. Link

Not forgetting Natufian, who doesn't know what s/he is talking about.

143 posted on 12/16/2013 4:18:14 PM PST by Repeat Offender (What good are conservative principles if we don't stand by them?)
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To: Repeat Offender

Do those accounts make the Noah flood story more or less plausible?


144 posted on 12/16/2013 4:26:21 PM PST by Fuzz
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To: MrB

Eating and Death are very deep topics.

Death entered the world post fall, long before the flood.

As we know, God made clothes for Adam and Eve, from the skins of animals, sacrificed for this purpose. This is indeed symbolic of how our sins would be covered by blood sacrifice. God could have just have easily used a plant to form a covering for Adam and Eve.

One would assume that Adam and Eve’s offspring also sacrificed animals for coverings (clothing’s) as well (that they did not go naked). Also, recall Abel’s sacrifice, where he separated the fat from the meat (implies mankind was eating meat). Let’s ignore that point for awhile.

Do you suppose post fall, that animals were all vegetarian as well? That they only became meat eaters after the flood?

Well, looking at it from your point of view, I can see your argument holds weight as well, so I must say that I can’t know (determine) for certain IF meat was eaten by animals or man pre-flood or not.

Also there is the issue of what is allowed vs what is practiced (in other words, even if God says they “can” eat mean now, does not imply that SOME men or animals did so before, against God’s law). The fact that Noah was righteous does not imply he was sinless...

Very interesting topic, and it keeps going, considering the “unclean” meats became clean after the ascension!


145 posted on 12/16/2013 4:41:02 PM PST by BereanBrain
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To: Lady Heron

I believe it’s on Mt. Ararat in Turkey, up close to the old Soviet border.


146 posted on 12/16/2013 4:41:28 PM PST by Rebelbase (Tagline: optional, printed after your name on post)
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To: Fuzz

Why were you asking questions, as though for information, when your mind is closed and you were only going to reject the responses?


147 posted on 12/16/2013 4:47:06 PM PST by CatherineofAragon ((Support Christian white males----the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization.))
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To: BereanBrain

If death didn’t enter the world until Adam and Eve ate from the forbidden tree of knowledge, why were they eating in the first place?


148 posted on 12/16/2013 4:49:07 PM PST by Fuzz
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To: gdani
"Never mind the size of the Ark - how did he keep the animals from killing each other & the humans? And where did the waste go? That must have been a full-time job right there."

No doubt. Maybe they threw it over the side. As far as keeping the animals from going nuts, the Holy Spirit had to be covering everyone and everything in the boat, providing peace. Makes sense that would have been the case.

149 posted on 12/16/2013 4:51:28 PM PST by CatherineofAragon ((Support Christian white males----the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization.))
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To: Disambiguator
A lot of guys opt for Utilikilts at Renaissance festivals these days.

Although those are not very sixteenth century, they're a lot more user-friendly than great kilts.

150 posted on 12/16/2013 4:57:14 PM PST by Fiji Hill (Fight on!!)
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