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Georgia School District Approves Rifles for School Resource Officers
Breitbart.com ^ | 12/18/2013 | Breitbart News

Posted on 12/18/2013 7:37:42 AM PST by rktman

GAINESVILLE, GA. – A north Georgia school board has approved a measure allowing some school resource officers to carry rifles.

The plan calls for a rifle to be kept in each of the city's high schools and middle schools, The Gainesville Times reported.

The weapons will be kept inside safes and will be accessible only to the school resource officer, school district officials have said. Earlier this year, district leaders said the safes would be accessible by fingerprint recognition.

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TOPICS: Education; Society
KEYWORDS: banglist; didiots; schoolboard
Allow some school resource officers to "carry" rifles. Uh they'll be locked up in a safe. The rifles will be accesible by fingerprint recognition. Until the power goes off. I guess by keeping them locked up it'll prevent the traumatization of the chirun should they be exposed to actually seeing one in real life. As opposed to the ones they use playing video games. What idiots. Notice they didn't list elementary skrools as having the rifles on site.
1 posted on 12/18/2013 7:37:42 AM PST by rktman
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To: rktman

The fingerprint locks are battery powered.


2 posted on 12/18/2013 7:38:59 AM PST by Andy from Chapel Hill
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To: Andy from Chapel Hill

Lucky for us the janitor will have battery replacement on his monthly check list. LOL!


3 posted on 12/18/2013 7:41:43 AM PST by rktman (Under my plan(scheme), the price of EVERYTHING will necessarily skyrocket! Period.)
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To: rktman

Too bad someone didn’t explain to them that rifles have too much penetration for school usage.
Shotgun is probably better.


4 posted on 12/18/2013 7:44:32 AM PST by Zathras
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To: rktman

The new high-security combo dials are self-powered, no battery- you spin the dial to power them up.

I expect the response time will be better, but still slow, since the officer must get to teh safe, open it, load the mag, then go to where the shooting has just stopped.

Also, a clever perp will put himself between the safe and the officer.

It’s a step in the right direction, though, someone is thinking that a good guy with a gun can solve problems.

I’d have gone with a short-barreled shotgun, given the ranges of encounter and the penetration problems of a rifle.


5 posted on 12/18/2013 7:45:33 AM PST by DBrow
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To: Zathras
"Too bad someone didn’t explain to them that rifles have too much penetration for school usage. Shotgun is probably better."

Or better yet a sidearm kept on their person at all times. For indoor security it is just as effective. (as long as the officer spends time at the range) - and it's always immediately available.

6 posted on 12/18/2013 7:46:55 AM PST by circlecity
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To: FreedomPoster

Hall County lock-n-load ping. (In the schools, no less)


7 posted on 12/18/2013 7:47:22 AM PST by Hoodat (Democrats - Opposing Equal Protection since 1828)
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To: Zathras

“Shotgun is probably better”

Yeah, you can control penetration better. Also a shotgun could possibly be less that lethal depending on the load................for home defense do so love my Mossberg.


8 posted on 12/18/2013 7:47:49 AM PST by V_TWIN
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To: rktman
A gun kept in a safe is useless most of the time!!!!  photo 0202121.jpg Proper way to protect the chirun!!!
9 posted on 12/18/2013 7:50:28 AM PST by ontap
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To: Zathras

Yeah, bet we all know there’s a much greater fear factor associated with those evil AR type guns. They’re so scary they need to be locked away until needed. Let’s hope the SRO isn’t taking a, uh, lengthy bathroom break when the time arises.


10 posted on 12/18/2013 7:50:50 AM PST by rktman (Under my plan(scheme), the price of EVERYTHING will necessarily skyrocket! Period.)
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To: rktman

Wait till they publicize the race percentages of individuals who pass the background check process.


11 posted on 12/18/2013 7:51:27 AM PST by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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To: DBrow

Slugs or double ought?


12 posted on 12/18/2013 7:51:54 AM PST by rktman (Under my plan(scheme), the price of EVERYTHING will necessarily skyrocket! Period.)
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To: ontap

LOL! Yeah but this appears to be a Jewish person and we all know how paranoid they are always thinking somebody is out to get them. (Except the liberal Jews here in the US who hate Israel.)


13 posted on 12/18/2013 7:54:15 AM PST by rktman (Under my plan(scheme), the price of EVERYTHING will necessarily skyrocket! Period.)
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To: circlecity
and it's always immediately available.

very important

14 posted on 12/18/2013 7:54:33 AM PST by showme_the_Glory (ILLEGAL: prohibited by law. ALIEN: Owing political allegiance to another country or government)
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To: Andy from Chapel Hill

I really hate it when the battery goes dead, always at the “wrong” time.


15 posted on 12/18/2013 7:59:21 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: showme_the_Glory
If it is locked up in a safe the officer has to travel to get it then open the safe.

The response time well be to slow.

These shooting start and end fast taking a extra minute to get to the rifle could mean many more dead.

16 posted on 12/18/2013 8:02:11 AM PST by riverrunner
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To: Zathras
“Too bad someone didn’t explain to them that rifles have too much penetration for school usage.
Shotgun is probably better.”

Shotgun = bad idea unless at close range. At a distance it will harm the bad guy and students but not kill the bad guy and really piss him off.

An AR-15 with a 4 power scope, mounted on a look through scope mount for the iron sights and a green laser will get the bad guy and not penetrate through a center of mass shot. Use very high quality ammo from Hornady with their 75 grain boat tail hollow-point.

It would be stupid for everyone to know who has access to the “one rifle.” I would suggest several rifles in locations known only to those that will use them. Train some teachers and administrators on how to use these weapons effectively. Only they know the locations and have quick key code access to the weapon. I would also suggest these same teachers and any teacher that has a CCL be allowed to carry in school.

When the bad guy does not know which good guy is armed, the good guys have the advantage.

Shootings in Israeli schools are rare. There is a reason and it is good weapons in the hands of good men and women.

17 posted on 12/18/2013 8:06:21 AM PST by cpdiii
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To: rktman

I guess the younger kids in the grade schools don’t need any protection?

This is at least a start. IMO, not a great start, but tiny baby steps..........may eventually get it done correctly.


18 posted on 12/18/2013 8:18:53 AM PST by basil (2ASisters.org)
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To: Zathras

This being North GA you never know when a deer might come bursting down the hall.


19 posted on 12/18/2013 8:20:05 AM PST by dblshot (I am John Galt.)
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To: rktman

“Slugs or double ought?”

I’m not an expert in this field, but I’d think #2 or #4, with slugs in a shell holder just in case. IMO less chance for unwanted collateral damage

A shotgun can launch flashbangs, tear gas, whistlers, smoke, incendiaries, rubber ltl rounds, beanbags, lots more choice than a rifle. Heck if you load your own you can fire confetti and glitter.


20 posted on 12/18/2013 9:10:53 AM PST by DBrow
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To: DBrow

LOL! I guess you could fire glitter or confetti for distraction. I was thinking #4 to slow and slugs to finish.


21 posted on 12/18/2013 9:17:01 AM PST by rktman (Under my plan(scheme), the price of EVERYTHING will necessarily skyrocket! Period.)
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To: rktman

The weapons will be kept inside safes and will be accessible only to the school resource officer, school district officials have said.

Now that is really stupid.
Ok The RO is on the side of the school away from the safe and in that area a criminal begins an assault on the kids. “Excuse me” Sir, Sir?? “can you hold off a minute or so I gotta run to the other side of the school”. “I’ll be right back just a minute or so Okay”?


22 posted on 12/18/2013 9:18:58 AM PST by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I go to sign is for the American Revolution 2013 and the Crusades 2013?)
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To: rktman

Gun safes are for collectibles or $2,000 shotguns. Weapons meant to be used for protection must be carried at all times or they are useless.........


23 posted on 12/18/2013 9:21:33 AM PST by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I go to sign is for the American Revolution 2013 and the Crusades 2013?)
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To: rktman

From the original source article...”The proposed gun, a Colt 6920 M4 carbine...” Geez, I thought the Left always identified these “M4 Carbines” as “assault rifles” —which, as everyone knows are only designed to kill large numbers people as fast as possible —which is why I guess the police need them! /s


24 posted on 12/18/2013 9:23:57 AM PST by Towed_Jumper (What does it mean to be declared "guilty" in a nation without the rule of law?)
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To: rktman

One of the Austin ISD schools had an unannounced emergency “active shooter” drills last week or so. Kids and teachers freaked out. Glad there wasn’t a CCW teacher on campus.


25 posted on 12/18/2013 9:26:09 AM PST by Arrowhead1952 (The Second Amendment is NOT about the right to hunt. It IS a right to shoot tyrants.)
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To: Towed_Jumper

The mere sight of them is why they must be locked away so the chirun won’t suffer from mental anguish by their presence.


26 posted on 12/18/2013 9:31:29 AM PST by rktman (Under my plan(scheme), the price of EVERYTHING will necessarily skyrocket! Period.)
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To: Hoodat; AnAmericanMother; Broker; clee1; ctdonath2; dansangel; Dick Bachert; DJlaysitup; epow; ...

GA FReeper ping.

I have no problem with this.


27 posted on 12/18/2013 9:38:05 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: FreedomPoster

It’s a step in the right direction. I’m not going to nitpick the school board who are trying to make things safer as opposed to the thousands of school boards across the country who won’t even do this much.


28 posted on 12/18/2013 9:44:56 AM PST by Pan_Yan (Who told you that you were naked? Genesis 3:11)
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To: cpdiii
Shotgun = bad idea unless at close range.

Inside a building, you are pretty much always by definition at close range.

29 posted on 12/18/2013 10:05:09 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Pan_Yan

Exactly.


30 posted on 12/18/2013 10:06:56 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: rktman

Once upon a time, the students carried rifles - if they were on the rifle team.

Times have certainly changed.


31 posted on 12/18/2013 11:11:18 AM PST by Jack Hammer
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To: Jack Hammer

And some not on the rifle team when I went to H.S. Guys going hunting rabbit before or after school. Gun racks in the pickups WITH guns in them. Nobody touched them without permission. Don’t ever remember one being stolen.


32 posted on 12/18/2013 11:30:53 AM PST by rktman (Under my plan(scheme), the price of EVERYTHING will necessarily skyrocket! Period.)
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To: rktman

Sigh... the good ol’ days; we were both there once upon a time.


33 posted on 12/18/2013 11:32:19 AM PST by Jack Hammer
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To: Jack Hammer

LOL! They were good, now we’re old(er). Or more seasoned if you prefer.


34 posted on 12/18/2013 11:33:32 AM PST by rktman (Under my plan(scheme), the price of EVERYTHING will necessarily skyrocket! Period.)
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To: rktman

I prefer ‘more seasoned’. I FEEL older!


35 posted on 12/18/2013 11:42:19 AM PST by Jack Hammer
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To: Zathras

Agreed.


36 posted on 12/18/2013 12:19:38 PM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: DBrow

Giving the good people of Gainesville the benefit of the doubt, I assume that the M4 Carbine is in addition to the handgun which the SRO has on his person at all times. This way, if there is a single shooter the SRO can use his handgun to diffuse the situation immediately. If the situation calls for more serious firepower, however, he has it at his disposal without needing to wait for backup.

In my opinion, that would actually be a pretty good emergency response plan, especially if willing teachers were trained in using the carbine so they can back up the SRO in the event of a serious emergency. Even better would be if this was in addition to the teachers being permitted to carry concealed weapons on campus. Ideal might be to have a couple of rifles/shotguns on campus in various locations (janitors’ closets, perhaps), which any trained faculty and staff may access.

Unfortunately it does not look like any of this is happening at this time. But it’s a good start.


37 posted on 12/18/2013 3:40:26 PM PST by lcms rev
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To: rktman
Why just the High Schools and Middle Schools? Wasn't Sandy Hook an Elementary School?
38 posted on 12/18/2013 4:49:07 PM PST by Yo-Yo
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To: lcms rev

I think that some of the decision comes from magical thinking. I have heard people say that someone (police officer) cannot defeat someone with an “assault weapon” because the AW is more powerful.

Some people imbue the rifle with some sort of mystical or magical power, that can only be defeated with an equal power (like Dungeons and Dragons, Magic The Gathering, and other roleplay or mystical games).

So they fear an AR, so they buy an AR to match its power.

Naturally within 25 yards or so, a person with a 9 can take down even someone holding the all-powerful Assault Weapon.


39 posted on 12/18/2013 7:02:35 PM PST by DBrow
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To: DBrow

I can do it with a mosquito.

If I am a resource officer I would like a .223 in the corner for backup.


40 posted on 12/18/2013 7:05:20 PM PST by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/ ?s)
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To: DBrow
That may be the reasoning behind the decision, but it is still a good decision to allow firearms in the school. An M4 doesn't "bullet-proof" the school, but it does give the first responder (the SRO) options.

I really hope the SRO actually knows how to use the thing; if not, then this may just be placing two incompetent rampaging gunmen inside a confined area with children! Oh wait, this isn't NYC... carry on.

41 posted on 12/19/2013 5:18:22 AM PST by lcms rev
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To: rktman

First reaction to the title was “good! bringing back the high school rifle teams is good for society.” Then I remembered that “resource” is a euphemism in this context. No complaints about school officials having appropriate safety tools, just wish the kids had the opportunity to learn how to use the same safety tools - just like every kid should have hands-on experience with a fire extinguisher.


42 posted on 12/19/2013 12:38:47 PM PST by ctdonath2 (Making good people helpless doesn't make bad people harmless.)
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To: Zathras

You sure you want to fire a spreading-pattern projectile down a hallway? Given the competing cons for each platform, I’d take narrow precision over “area of effect”. Given that schools tend to have concrete-under-compression walls, risks of over penetration is greatly reduced. If you’re faced with good odds of a hostage situation, decisive precision is paramount.

“It shoots thru schools” is rarely a problem as most schools are built like prisons.


43 posted on 12/19/2013 12:51:14 PM PST by ctdonath2 (Making good people helpless doesn't make bad people harmless.)
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To: Sherman Logan

One word: hallways.

Never mind gyms, cafeteria, library... all rather expansive.

I worked in one building that had a one-kilometer hallway. (Not school, but when halls start reaching football-field lengths, rifles are vital for serious security.)


44 posted on 12/19/2013 1:15:34 PM PST by ctdonath2 (Making good people helpless doesn't make bad people harmless.)
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