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WEEKLY GARDEN THREAD VOLUME 51 DECEMBER 20, 2013
Free Republic | 12/20/2013 | greeneyes

Posted on 12/20/2013 10:03:22 AM PST by greeneyes

The Weekly Gardening Thread is a weekly gathering of folks that love soil, seeds and plants of all kinds. From complete newbies that are looking to start that first potted plant, to gardeners with some acreage, to Master Gardener level and beyond, we would love to hear from you. This thread is non-political, although you will find that most here are conservative folks. No matter what, you won’t be flamed and the only dumb question is the one that isn’t asked. It is impossible to hijack the Weekly Gardening Thread. There is no telling where it will go and... that is part of the fun and interest. Jump in and join us!

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Greetings from the grey sky country of Missouri. We are smack dab in the middle of the thaw today and earlier this week, so most of the snow has melted. The kids are back in school. Temps have been mild. Today is a heat wave of upper 50s.

It would be a great day to get some gardening chores done, check on all the covered plants etc. However, we have a daughter who is preparting to move out of state, and trying to wrap up finishing her wood floors, along with sorting and packing up stuff in boxes to move.

Our grand daughter's used trailer has been delivered to replace the one that burned, and needs painting etc prior to their moving in. She is expecting a baby boy in January, has 2 daughters, and is feeling a bit overwhelmed. So family duty calls. I wanted to get the thread posted before I left, so that it wouldn't be late posting.

I'll be back later, to turn 10lbs of ground beef into chili bricks, and catch up with all that I have missed this week and today.

Hope all is well with you. Have a great weekend, and God Bless.

1 posted on 12/20/2013 10:03:22 AM PST by greeneyes
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To: greeneyes; Diana in Wisconsin; gardengirl; girlangler; SunkenCiv; HungarianGypsy; Gabz; ...

Pinging the List.


2 posted on 12/20/2013 10:04:51 AM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes; Marcella

The rebel tobacco plant. Cigarette included for scale.

We're getting some rain here, and will get more tonight. The temps are in the mid 60s and my fall plants are loving it. I've got the cold frame open.

Next year, I'll be adding some height to my cold frame. It's too shallow for some of the stuff I'm growing. My broccoli is bumping up against the top of it when it's closed.

/johnny

3 posted on 12/20/2013 10:09:03 AM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: greeneyes

What garden, eheheh. Actually some arugula I keep covered and a parsley plant are the lone survivors at this point. Raked up a whole bunch of leaves and mowed it all down finely into mulch. have a few seeds started as an experiment in the east window. Got the 2 compost pails full and pruned back the crepe myrtle trees. Always something to do.. Merry Christmas all.


4 posted on 12/20/2013 10:09:50 AM PST by tflabo (Truth or Tyranny)
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To: greeneyes

Please add me to the ping list.

Thank you


5 posted on 12/20/2013 10:14:09 AM PST by RedStateRocker (Nuke Mecca, abolish the IRS, DEA and ATF.)
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To: Fido969
See my post at #3.

This tobacco plant popped up in my fall potting soil, and I've kept it inside to see what it would do. Now is not the right time of year to grow tobacco, but the plant doesn't seem to care.

That photo was taken today.

/johnny

6 posted on 12/20/2013 10:14:31 AM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: tflabo

My sage plant is still thriving, despite being covered with 12 inches of snow at one point.


7 posted on 12/20/2013 10:17:45 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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Didn’t know sage was so hardy. My rosemary is covered by leaves and a plastic border. Only the top needles got cold burnt. I’m using discarded storm door pane glass over some greens but not this past week its been warmer. Even so some plants are just more cold hardy than others. I’m loving still picking some remaining salad greens here in late December. Appreciate all the shared knowledge and tips from the WGT.


8 posted on 12/20/2013 10:25:35 AM PST by tflabo (Truth or Tyranny)
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To: tflabo
I've still got cilantro growing in the cold frame. With any luck, it will make it through until spring.

/johnny

9 posted on 12/20/2013 10:28:41 AM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: tflabo

Rosemary dies outside here in Massachusetts during the winter. Sage usually goes dormant, but this plant is in a container on our south-facing deck. All of my other container-raised sage plants have died in winter, but this one is hanging on for its third or fourth winter.

Fresh salad leaves in December? Heavenly!


10 posted on 12/20/2013 10:32:42 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: tflabo

Sage can make it through a NYS winter.

Rosemary can’t although I was surprised at the low temps it can survive.

It got down to 19 one night earlier in the fall and I expected that to be the end of it and it was still alive.

I dug it up and brought it in before we got buried in snow.

And right now, that’s where my garden is.


11 posted on 12/20/2013 10:33:48 AM PST by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Holy smokes /johnny I didn’t mention I also cover with glass a small section of cilantro from seed back in late Sept. Surprised it made it through the cold snap here in DFW. Will be tickled green if it makes it to spring.


12 posted on 12/20/2013 10:34:42 AM PST by tflabo (Truth or Tyranny)
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To: greeneyes
This press release made me laugh. Wondering how well it works.

Flower Shell Lets You Plant Seeds with a 12-Gauge Shotgun.
13 posted on 12/20/2013 10:39:16 AM PST by neefer (Because you can't starve us out and you can't make us run.)
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To: metmom; trisham

Speaking of sage last October I was in Denver area and I walked by this bush in a shopping center with blue blooms —looked like sage. Some of it bolted and I grabbed a few seed pods. Its one of my experiment seedlings going on now and I hope to plant it in spring. Hope to share a pic of it should it make it because I’m not 100% certain its sage—that’s the fun of experimenting with seeds.


14 posted on 12/20/2013 10:41:12 AM PST by tflabo (Truth or Tyranny)
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To: tflabo

Yes, it is fun experimenting with seeds. We’ve brought back lots of different seeds on our walks around the area, and spread them over parts of our property. It works quite well. I’ll be interested in seeing what becomes of your seedlings. Take pictures, if you can!


15 posted on 12/20/2013 10:45:07 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: greeneyes

Mark for later.


16 posted on 12/20/2013 10:52:43 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: tflabo
This is sage.


17 posted on 12/20/2013 10:56:57 AM PST by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: tflabo
Since this thread started, the temps have fallen from 65F to 44F. Wow. That was quick. Cold frame is now closed.

/johnny

18 posted on 12/20/2013 10:57:20 AM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: tflabo
I had a sage plant growing in my kitchen. I had JUST bought it from the nursery.
Over night a MOUSE had come up the stairs or whatever and ate EVERY single leaf off that plant. Boy, was I pissed.

Needless to say, I have declared WAR on rodents--traps and poison. Nasty buggers.

19 posted on 12/20/2013 11:07:02 AM PST by cloudmountain
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To: tflabo
I will buy sage again but will put a screen around it. I used them to keep the varmints away from my lettuce and artichokes. I also planted baby green onions. THAT was the ticket. NO ANIMALS will eat onions of any kind...100% human food. Even pigs and goats won't eat onions.

NATURALLY, some FReeper is going to tell me ALL ABOUT the dog who eats onions or some such thing. Never fails.

20 posted on 12/20/2013 11:10:49 AM PST by cloudmountain
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To: greeneyes

Take your time and get GD going. Later you could explain what a chili bricks is? :)


21 posted on 12/20/2013 11:37:01 AM PST by rightly_dividing (2 Tim. 2:15)
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To: cloudmountain

Of course, our dogs will eat anything we eat, but they’re not very fond of pickles though, they will eat them sometimes, sometimes not. But onions, garlic, maters, olives, yep!


22 posted on 12/20/2013 11:44:54 AM PST by rightly_dividing (2 Tim. 2:15)
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To: cloudmountain

The plant will likely come back if you baby it a bit. Mice. They’re not like the Disney cartoons!


23 posted on 12/20/2013 11:51:36 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: metmom; All

Mmmmmm—now I’m doubting what I picked was sage after seeing this pic. We shall see what we shall see...


24 posted on 12/20/2013 11:59:00 AM PST by tflabo (Truth or Tyranny)
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To: cloudmountain

Doggone those varmints and vermin.... my friend;s son has a pet white rat. Anything ending with an ‘rat’ is always suspect, ehehehe.


25 posted on 12/20/2013 12:01:05 PM PST by tflabo (Truth or Tyranny)
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To: tflabo

Might want to verify what it is before eating it.


26 posted on 12/20/2013 12:01:14 PM PST by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: tflabo
Could it be salvia?


27 posted on 12/20/2013 12:05:27 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Yo /johnny I was just out washing the truck and felt the big temp plunge...Typical N. Tx roller coaster winter ride. Back go the glass panes on tonight. Protecting our green, leafy babies out back as we fight the old man winter.


28 posted on 12/20/2013 12:05:31 PM PST by tflabo (Truth or Tyranny)
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To: JRandomFreeper

I had cilantro outside one winter. The morning after it got down to 16F it looked really really rough. Perked up a week or so later when we had a warm spell.


29 posted on 12/20/2013 12:05:48 PM PST by Black Agnes
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To: trisham

Naw Trish the blooms are the same color but the leaves are a little smaller and more shaped like Rosemary but not exactly. Dumbo me I should have taken a pic but my cell phone was back at the hotel that day. Danke though...


30 posted on 12/20/2013 12:08:56 PM PST by tflabo (Truth or Tyranny)
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To: metmom
Might want to verify what it is before eating it.

Ya mean I don't have to eat it to find out what it is? (' That would not be the 'sage' thang to do -- following a dimwit politician's advice.

31 posted on 12/20/2013 12:14:15 PM PST by tflabo (Truth or Tyranny)
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To: tflabo

It’s your life.....

I decided to start an herb garden a few years back. I figured if TSHTF and stuff was hard to get, I’d still have the basic herbs I need for soups and stuff.

I got some of the plants through mail order catalogs, and the rosemary and lemon thyme at WalMart.

I also have Greek oregano and English thyme besides the sage. The sage can get to quite a respectable size.


32 posted on 12/20/2013 12:20:58 PM PST by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: tflabo

Oh, well. We should know soon. :)


33 posted on 12/20/2013 12:30:39 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: metmom; cloudmountain; trisham; All

From memory it looked a little bit like these pics of Russian sage--or related variety.

34 posted on 12/20/2013 12:35:33 PM PST by tflabo (Truth or Tyranny)
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It is 75 degrees in my garden. I have planted the three blackberry plants using a number of layers of net in the bottom of the planters. By the time I did all that, I was sweating.

Engineer was supposed to be in Liberty County today, then come here and go home tomorrow. Well, he went to Liberty this morning and showed back up here around 1:00 pm and the company had called him to go to a well southwest of San Antonio. He has left to go there.

Tonight I have 50% chance of rain and 80% tomorrow, Saturday. Sunday night is supposed to be 30. Hope my garden doesn’t get that cold.


35 posted on 12/20/2013 12:41:30 PM PST by Marcella ((Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.))
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To: Black Agnes
Cilantro volunteers here. Left on it's own, it shows up in April/May and bolts a month or two later. And then it shows up the next year.

I have to have cilantro for my salsa, so I force it to keep it around all year long if I can.

I've never seen cilantro survive below about 40F around here.

/johnny

36 posted on 12/20/2013 12:44:32 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: tflabo

That’s lovely.


37 posted on 12/20/2013 12:44:58 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham

Sage has a pretty aromatic smell to it right? My little seedling is kicking off quite a nice scent too.


38 posted on 12/20/2013 12:57:20 PM PST by tflabo (Truth or Tyranny)
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To: tflabo

Yes, it does. I love herbs.


39 posted on 12/20/2013 12:58:03 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham

Yeppers—anything greenies that can end up in the salad bowl is a friend of mine. (’


40 posted on 12/20/2013 1:00:12 PM PST by tflabo (Truth or Tyranny)
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To: tflabo

:)


41 posted on 12/20/2013 1:04:07 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: neefer

Hilarious! Love it-gotta get some!


42 posted on 12/20/2013 1:41:25 PM PST by murrie (Mark Levin: Prosecuting stupidity nightly.)
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When the engineer left, he gave me a thick plastic bag with beef jerky in it, hadn’t been opened. There was a price tag on it, was $12.50. The weight of the meat was .32 ounces.

I have never had beef jerky or any kind of jerky. I was not terribly impressed with the taste, either, but if that was all I had, it would be wonderful I’m sure.

Is Jerky usually this expensive, as $12.50, to me, is a lot of money for some beef. Another question is, because I opened it, does it have to be in the fridge? I put it in there not knowing if it should be in there.

Are there other ways to eat beef jerky than straight out of the bag? (like heat it or combine it with something, etc.)


43 posted on 12/20/2013 2:27:18 PM PST by Marcella ((Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.))
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To: Marcella
I haven't had store bought jerky in forever, but at that price, a pound of meat would be $600. That's just yuppie stupid.

No, it does not need to be refrigerated.

I make my own jerky, of course, and back when my kids were little, they preferred my jerky to store-bought. It is a heck of a lot cheaper, too.

/johnny

44 posted on 12/20/2013 2:32:42 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

sent you a regular email


45 posted on 12/20/2013 2:58:00 PM PST by Marcella ((Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.))
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To: JRandomFreeper

Let me get that jerky package and look at that again as the weight seems ridiculous.

SORRY - IT’S .32 lbs. (not ounces) The brand is “OMA’s CHOICE” out of Schulenburg.


46 posted on 12/20/2013 3:13:29 PM PST by Marcella ((Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.))
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To: Marcella
That's better. That makes the price per pound $37.....

I think I'll continue to make my own. ;)

/johnny

47 posted on 12/20/2013 3:17:22 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Marcella
Good golly, Miss Molly, that stuff is expensive! Store bought jerky tastes, to be polite, artificial. Make your own in the oven or dehydrator. Super simple and delicious. Slice a beef roast about a quarter inch thick. Some say to make sure the fat is off it but we like the fat and it doesn't last long enough with this crowd to go rancid so no problem. Dip the slices into a mixture of soy sauce and brown sugar for 30 seconds. No measurement... less or more sugar to your taste. Lay the slices on the dehydrator trays and sprinkle on some black pepper or cayenne if you like heat. Or put in a very low oven. It is done when the pieces are just barely flexible. You don't want to cook them until they're bone dry. Leave them out on the counter for a few hours so you won't have any condensation when you bag it up. It will keep for about 6 months in a baggie in the pantry. You could also make turkey or venison jerky.

The past few days, I've been pouring over garden books and getting my notes in order. Such a mess but maybe I can find all the “what to do if” when I need it now. Also, trying to finalize the spring garden plan but I keep moving plots around and will probably not follow it come planting time anyway. BLAH, the cat just knocked everything including the pencil can all in the floor, grrr. She's been a royal pain because I've been doing desk stuff and not giving her attention. Not! Because she's had more attention because I have been at my desk for 3 days, sigh, don't know about her.

Just came in from picking a handful of pecans. Hubby needs to mow so I can get to them but he's down in his back. It was 73 but we're supposed to get some rain tonight. It's not going to freeze so the ginger pot can stay outside tonight. It is getting dizzy with all the in and out and in again on cold nights.

48 posted on 12/20/2013 3:54:22 PM PST by bgill
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To: Marcella
Forgot that jerky doesn't have to go into the fridge. Like any other dried product, leave it in the pantry. I guess if you were desperate, you could put it in a stew but just eat it out of the bag or give the dog a treat if you don't care for it. Seriously, that store bought stuff is awful. You'll like it much better making it yourself. Makes for a low carb snack (without the sugar).
49 posted on 12/20/2013 3:59:56 PM PST by bgill
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To: bgill

I’ll copy your recipe for jerky. Yours sounds better than this one tastes. Really, I don’t like this bag of it. I’m not picky about food but this isn’t something I would make if it tastes like this.


50 posted on 12/20/2013 4:27:33 PM PST by Marcella ((Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.))
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