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Why Halley's Comet May Be Linked to Famine 1,500 Years Ago
livescience.com ^ | December 18, 2013 07:53am ET | Mike Wall, Senior Writer |

Posted on 12/20/2013 6:21:32 PM PST by BenLurkin

A piece of the famous Halley's comet likely slammed into Earth in A.D. 536, blasting so much dust into the atmosphere that the planet cooled considerably, a new study suggests. This dramatic climate shift is linked to drought and famine around the world, which may have made humanity more susceptible to "Justinian's plague" in A.D. 541-542 — the first recorded emergence of the Black Death in Europe.

The new results come from an analysis of Greenland ice that was laid down between A.D. 533 and 540. The ice cores record large amounts of atmospheric dust during this seven-year period, not all of it originating on Earth.

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It's unclear where exactly the putative comet chunk hit Earth or how big it was, she added. However, a 2004 study estimated that a comet fragment just 2,000 feet (600 meters) wide could have caused the 536-537 cooling event if it exploded in the atmosphere and its constituent dust were spread evenly around the globe.

(Excerpt) Read more at livescience.com ...


TOPICS: Astronomy; History; Science
KEYWORDS: catastrophism; godsgravesglyphs; greenland; halleyscomet; justiniansplague

1 posted on 12/20/2013 6:21:32 PM PST by BenLurkin
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To: BenLurkin

Read “Catastrophe”.
It was a gigantic volcanic explosion very near where Krakatoa erupted many years later. The book is very convincing—especially involving the environmental impact.


2 posted on 12/20/2013 6:29:19 PM PST by Flintlock ( islam is a LIE, mohammed was a CRIMINAL, shira is POISON.)
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To: BenLurkin

Bush’s fault.


3 posted on 12/20/2013 6:29:35 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

“Bush’s fault.”

Amen, brother!


4 posted on 12/20/2013 6:34:42 PM PST by jocon307
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To: Flintlock

Krakatoa must have been awesome - people 20 miles away went deaf from the sound


5 posted on 12/20/2013 6:36:22 PM PST by Mr. K (If you like your constitution, you can keep it. Period.)
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To: BenLurkin

So where did this piece of Halley’s comet hit the Earth?


6 posted on 12/20/2013 6:38:17 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; me = independent conservative)
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To: BenLurkin

and when it finally warmed up it twern’t becuz of us hoomans.


7 posted on 12/20/2013 6:39:12 PM PST by Beowulf9
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To: Flintlock

Excellent book. Highly recommended.


8 posted on 12/20/2013 6:45:05 PM PST by ClearCase_guy
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To: Jack Hydrazine

I think the article is stating that the piece of the comet didn’t hit the Earth, it exploded in the atmosphere, much like the recent major event in Russia.


9 posted on 12/20/2013 6:47:13 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (I forgot what my tagline was supposed to say)
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To: BenLurkin

535 AD — The “Dark Ages” Begin – Scientific Growth Stops !
Volcano Krakatoa Explodes, plunging the Whole Planet into Darkness !
http://customers.hbci.com/~wenonah/history/535ad.htm

535 AD

The nobles were returning from the middle east “HOLY WARS”.
Pope John II died.
There were days of darkness.
The plague swept around the world three times in about ten years.
There were seven years of crop failures.
Nations changed their religions.
Empires Fell.
In places great drought destroyed the land.
In other places floods brought chaos.
Tree rings didn’t show normal growth for fifteen years.

Extreme weather events of 535–536
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extreme_weather_events_of_535%E2%80%93536

The 536 event and ensuing famine have been suggested as an explanation for the deposition of hoards of gold by Scandinavian elites at the end of the Migration Period. The gold may have been deposited as a sacrifice to appease the gods and get the sunlight back.[23][24]

The decline of Teotihuacán, a huge city in Mesoamerica, is also correlated with the droughts related to the climate changes, with signs of civil unrest and famines.

David Keys’ book speculates that the climate changes may have contributed to various developments, such as the emergence of the Plague of Justinian, the decline of the Avars, the migration of Mongolian tribes towards the West, the end of the Sassanid Empire, the collapse of the Gupta Empire, the rise of Islam, the expansion of Turkic tribes, and the fall of Teotihuacán.[11] In 2000, a 3BM Television production (for WNET and Channel Four) capitalized upon Keys’ book. This documentary, under the name Catastrophe! How the World Changed, was broadcast in the US as part of PBS’s Secrets of the Dead series. However, Keys and Wohletz’ ideas are not widely accepted at this point. Reviewing Keys’ book, the British archaeologist Ken Dark commented that “much of the apparent evidence presented in the book is highly debatable, based on poor sources or simply incorrect” and that “Nonetheless, both the global scope and the emphasis on the 6th century AD as a time of wide-ranging change are commendable, and the book contains some fascinating and obscure information which will be new to many. However, it fails to demonstrate its central thesis and does not offer a convincing explanation for the many changes discussed.”

Apocalypse Forever: The Root of Islam Was a Very Dark Year
http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/MarkTwain40627.htm

Occasionally environmental conditions are so stupendously bad that it’s noticed by trees all over the world. As these very long, and very broad master chronologies evolved, certain dates in history began to stand out as being distinctly unusual. As described in Exodus to Arthur: Catastrophic Encounters with Comets, by Mike Baillie, those dates are: 3195 BC, 2354 BC, 1628 BC, 1159 BC, 207 BC, 44 BC, and 540 AD.

Of these seven dates, 540 AD stands out as the most accessible, the best documented, and the most severe. The episode had a double minimum, beginning in 536 AD and plunging further yet to another event piggybacked on at 540 AD. Until recently, historians had little notion that this dramatic climatic event had occurred. The accounts left by contemporary observers were poorly understood and overshadowed by later historical events. In fact, those later events, it turns out, may have been caused, directly or indirectly, by the weather of AD 536. The Dark Ages actually were dark.


10 posted on 12/20/2013 6:48:15 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; me = independent conservative)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

“The Root of Islam Was a Very Dark Year”

Yup.


11 posted on 12/20/2013 7:02:34 PM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: BenLurkin

The Comet of 536 and the Ravenna Mosaics
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4WBALFPmw4


12 posted on 12/20/2013 7:03:45 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; me = independent conservative)
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To: Flintlock
Read “Catastrophe”.

Author or ISBN please. My library shows nothing on the generic title - just air/sea disasters.

13 posted on 12/20/2013 7:05:12 PM PST by Oatka (This is America. Assimilate or evaporate.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Interesting (though I’m surprised at how unfamiliar she is with the Bible.)


14 posted on 12/20/2013 7:28:22 PM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: BenLurkin

It didn’t surprise me.


15 posted on 12/20/2013 7:41:46 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; me = independent conservative)
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To: Oatka

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Keys_%28author%29


16 posted on 12/20/2013 7:54:26 PM PST by Crossfeed
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To: BenLurkin

You mean it wasn’t caused by EVIL TEA PARTY members?


17 posted on 12/20/2013 8:06:23 PM PST by ExCTCitizen (Ben Carson/Rand Paul or Sara/Nikki in 2016)
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To: UCANSEE2

Yeah, I remember that. It was freakin’ cold for a few years...!


18 posted on 12/20/2013 8:30:22 PM PST by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: BenLurkin; All
Ummm...when I both read the excerpt & went to the link I had a bit of deja vu.

It took me 30 seconds to find the article in A&G from 2004, almost a decade prior, here, poorly referenced in the final paragraph.

This is not "...may be linked..."; it's "could be" linked to Halley's Comet, and I question "new results" (save for the ice cores). It reinforces the analysis (quite detailed, if you click through) presented by Emma Rigby, Melissa Symonds & Derek Ward-Thompson, authors of the Astronomy & Geophysics article. There had also been analysis of such an event specifically referencing Halley's Comet at the Lunar & Planetary Institute, but I cannot ascertain a date and nowhere approaching the detail of the A&G paper.

The results are interesting, but in no way identify Halley's Comet as the source and save for the organisms in the dust, provide no evidence of a 'comet' actually impacting the earth (rather than an airburst). The findings conflict with terrestrial observations in Asia and provide no evidence of a worldwide tsunami that would have resulted from an ocean impact. As well, margin of error could easily sway to fragment(s) from the Taurid stream, as cited in the A&G paper. I dig 'science', but this is not science; this is sensationalism. I cite sloppy/sensationalist writing (it's partly sensationalism that brought us 'global warming'). Maybe the author did only have a 500-word article deadline...

National Geographic did an article in 2010 on her work and did properly credit the A&G paper from 2004. No other attribution, and certainly no smoking gun.

19 posted on 12/20/2013 10:23:46 PM PST by logi_cal869
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To: BenLurkin; 75thOVI; agrace; aimhigh; Alice in Wonderland; AndrewC; aragorn; aristotleman; ...
Thanks BenLurkin.

20 posted on 12/21/2013 2:54:46 AM PST by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; decimon; 1010RD; 21twelve; 24Karet; 2ndDivisionVet; ...
Thanks BenLurkin.

21 posted on 12/21/2013 2:56:41 AM PST by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: Oatka; blam

looks like someone gave you the info, but here’s some additional:

Ancient Global Dimming Linked to Volcanic Eruption (The Dark Ages)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1988391/posts

The Dark Ages: Were They Darker Than We Imagined?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/925578/posts

Persian Coins From Sassanid Era (224-640AD) Discovered In Sweden
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/746713/posts

Did Asteroids And Comets Turn The Tides Of Civilization?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/714636/posts


22 posted on 12/21/2013 3:18:46 AM PST by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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12/7/2008

12/7/2008
12/16/2009

12/16/2009

23 posted on 12/21/2013 4:13:40 AM PST by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: Jack Hydrazine; SunkenCiv

I became a believer in the 535 A.D. catastrophe when I pulled out my Time-Life book on the Mayans (written before the David Keys book) to see what they were doing at that time. They did nothing. The book said that between 534 and 593, the city of Tikal left no written records.


24 posted on 12/21/2013 6:24:02 AM PST by Berosus (I wish I had as much faith in God as liberals have in government.)
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To: Berosus

Wow! If this happened today I wonder how we would react?


25 posted on 12/21/2013 6:34:28 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; me = independent conservative)
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To: Crossfeed; SunkenCiv

[Info on book “Catastrophe”.]

Thanks to all for the links. The library had it under the full name and it is now on order.


26 posted on 12/21/2013 8:16:17 AM PST by Oatka (This is America. Assimilate or evaporate.)
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To: Oatka

Glad to help. BTW, I’m not a fan of the book. :’)


27 posted on 12/21/2013 8:22:33 AM PST by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: The Antiyuppie
It was freakin’ cold for a few years...!

Well... it is 9 degress F. in Chelyabinsk right now.

28 posted on 12/21/2013 8:39:02 AM PST by UCANSEE2 (I forgot what my tagline was supposed to say)
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To: Berosus

They were doing something, but one of those things wasn’t slaving to build some nesting-doll temple. :’)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/931431/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/935675/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1288537/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1737616/posts


29 posted on 12/21/2013 8:56:04 AM PST by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: SunkenCiv
[Catastrophe] Glad to help. BTW, I’m not a fan of the book. :’)

Looks like an interesting read, if for no other reason that what his research accumulated. I read some of the reviews on Amazon, and some readers there have reservations.

Hell, I liked Velikovsky's "Worlds in Collision". :-)

30 posted on 12/21/2013 9:08:11 AM PST by Oatka (This is America. Assimilate or evaporate.)
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To: Oatka

Dr V!


31 posted on 12/21/2013 9:21:53 AM PST by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

AD 635-700s: The Islamic conquest of about half of the former Roman empire—including it’s breadbasket, Egypt & Libya.

With Muslim pirates also trolling the Mediterranean—the sophisticated Roman international sea trade routes—and land routes of the east and south, are cut off and trade comes to an end. With trade cut off to the North, the economy shrivels....and with it culture and education.

The Muslim conquests, as much or more than any other factor, brought in the Dark Ages to Europe....


32 posted on 12/21/2013 12:34:07 PM PST by AnalogReigns (Real life is ANALOG!)
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To: AnalogReigns

From what I have read the impact of the 536AD volcano eruption (and this possible impact of Halley’s Comet debris) affected the weather which influenced Mohammed and his travels. History might have turned out much differently if these two events had not occurred.


33 posted on 12/21/2013 11:22:03 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; me = independent conservative)
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To: Jack Hydrazine; SunkenCiv; All

536 ad, was roughly the period described by Cassiodorus. check Google


34 posted on 12/27/2013 12:27:31 AM PST by gleeaikin
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To: AnalogReigns; SunkenCiv; All

The Roman empire was already in trouble. Started with movement of the tribes in the late 300s. Visigoths, Ostrogoths, Vandals, Huns, etc. In 451 the Huns under Attila sacked Rome after he had failed to conquer Constantinople, in 455 the Vandals sacked Rome, after sweaping up from North Africa which they had conquered and occupied some decades before. So Rome was already a lame duck when the Muslims came along.


35 posted on 12/27/2013 12:36:05 AM PST by gleeaikin
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