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Hubble Looks but Finds No Trace of Comet ISON
universetoday.com ^ | December 20, 2013 | Bob King on

Posted on 12/20/2013 10:16:14 PM PST by BenLurkin

On December 18, the Hubble Space Telescope slewed to Comet ISON’s expected position and found nothing down to the incredibly faint magnitude of 25. According to astronomer Hal Weaver, who planned the ISON search, that limit implies any remaining fragments would have to be smaller than about 500 feet (160 meters) in diameter.

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TOPICS: Astronomy; Science
KEYWORDS: comet; cometison; finds; hubble; ison; looks; trace
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1 posted on 12/20/2013 10:16:14 PM PST by BenLurkin
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To: BenLurkin; SunkenCiv

interesting


2 posted on 12/20/2013 10:21:01 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: Yosemitest
Sad day for BPEarthwatch...

On December 18, the Hubble Space Telescope slewed to Comet ISON’s expected position and found nothing down to the incredibly faint magnitude of 25.

3 posted on 12/20/2013 10:50:18 PM PST by NoCmpromiz (John 14:6 is a non-pluralistic comment.)
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To: BenLurkin

Sorry, teach, the sun ate my comet.


4 posted on 12/21/2013 12:26:12 AM PST by NonValueAdded (It's not the penalty, it's the lack of coverage on 1 Jan. Think about it.)
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To: GeronL

Uh-oh!


5 posted on 12/21/2013 1:20:47 AM PST by Bullish (America should yank Obama like a rotten tooth before he poisons the entire body)
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To: NonValueAdded

The far side of the sun can be a mother!


6 posted on 12/21/2013 1:22:03 AM PST by Bullish (America should yank Obama like a rotten tooth before he poisons the entire body)
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To: BenLurkin
It pulled a Han Solo...

7 posted on 12/21/2013 1:48:44 AM PST by BCW (Salva reipublicae)
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To: BCW

8 posted on 12/21/2013 1:49:33 AM PST by BCW (Salva reipublicae)
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To: brytlea; cripplecreek; decimon; bigheadfred; KoRn; Grammy; married21; steelyourfaith; Mmogamer; ...

Thanks GeronL, additional to APoD.


9 posted on 12/21/2013 2:12:58 AM PST by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: BenLurkin
So it's not in its expected position?

That's unexpected!

10 posted on 12/21/2013 2:23:54 AM PST by eCSMaster ("It is not the color of his skin, ... it is the blackness that fills his soul")
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To: NoCmpromiz
From YOUR SOURCE: No debris LARGER THAN 500 FEET IN DIAMETER.
500 Feet, or 160 meters for you that prefer the metric system over the common man's American System, is pretty big.
And that IS ONLY "IF" they knew "WHERE TO LOOK".
That's a pretty big "IF" .
11 posted on 12/21/2013 5:47:54 AM PST by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: Yosemitest
comet’s remains would follow a slightly DIFFERENT ORBIT.

Note the word slightly. Not significantly.

12 posted on 12/21/2013 5:50:00 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: Yosemitest

That video is pretty chock full of ‘ifs’ as well. Basically, IF the laws of physics have changed, then we might be in danger.


13 posted on 12/21/2013 5:55:41 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: NoCmpromiz
December 26, 2013 is the day Ison was suppose to be closest to Earth on its outbound path.
So that day is the day that my concern level will start to lessen.
14 posted on 12/21/2013 5:57:05 AM PST by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: dirtboy

Only time will tell ...


15 posted on 12/21/2013 5:57:51 AM PST by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: Yosemitest

You need to stop looking at the orbital paths in a two-dimensional manner. Ison’s orbit is well outside the ecliptic. Earth’s orbit will not intersect that path as a result. There is a perfectly normal explanation for ISON’s disappearance, but that never stopped the internet conspiracy mongers from making up absurd explanations and peddling them to the gullible.


16 posted on 12/21/2013 6:08:08 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: Darksheare

ping.


17 posted on 12/21/2013 6:40:05 AM PST by Colonel_Flagg (Some people meet their heroes. I raised mine. Go Army.)
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To: Colonel_Flagg

Ison est morte!


18 posted on 12/21/2013 7:32:08 AM PST by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: Yosemitest

http://www.minorplanetcenter.net/iau/Animations/Inner_2011.gif

All of that here in the inner solar system, and somehow ison is what we are supposed to be peeing our pants over?
Assuming that Ison is somewhere else because Hubble didn’t find it is a stretch.
The evidence is that ison is gone.
Todt.


19 posted on 12/21/2013 7:36:48 AM PST by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: dirtboy
I understand three dimensions.
I have no confidence that Earth is out of the danger from Ison's debris trail, just because Hubble didn't observe anything.
I have a very good friend that worked at Kwajalein Space Communications And Control Facility, who maintained their radar and long distance communications equipment.
He left there in the mid to late 80s, and he told me that the equipment of his day could not get a return on an object 500 feet in diameter
(depending upon its makeup, whether metal, an asteroid, or comet debris) until it was within 50,000 miles of Earth.
Now I know that technology has only gotten better since the 80s,
but at Ison's debris' speed, that's only about one hour or two hours at best, early notification that we're in danger of a "near miss" or an impact.
That's not enough notification to really do anything about it
unless we have people standing and waiting at the ready to react to an immediate notification.

But you're so confident that we're not in danger.
You obviously never fired a shot-gun blast of pellets, have you?
20 posted on 12/21/2013 8:17:35 AM PST by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: Yosemitest; dirtboy
"I understand three dimensions."

Apparently not.
ISON is not at all heading towards us.
The images showing the swing around the sun showed it following the orbit expected of it and not heading off somewhere else.
BPEarthwatch's claim that Mercury would somehow magically drag ISON into us is BS.
http://www.minorplanetcenter.net/iau/Animations/Inner_2011.gif
IF the BS described by BPEarthwatch were somehow real, anything on that plot heading past Mercury would be magically altered from orbit.
They are not.
Because that is not possible.
And might I remind you of his initial claims:Comet ison large debris moving fast
ALL of that is BS.
Mercury isn't going to drag ISON into us, the moon isn't going to drag ISON into us.
AND when looking at the inner solar system from near the plane of the ecliptic, items that are half an orbit away appear to be near each other.
Hey, let's play tricks with cameras!
Just like BPEarthwatch, A.K.A. MrCometWatch who did this same BS with Elenin!

21 posted on 12/21/2013 8:30:36 AM PST by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: Yosemitest; dirtboy

Two weeks ago he said this on the video you initially linked in your thread: “ Ison is a V shaped debris field with objects that are miles wide each..at least 21 large ones.. they are moving at 2 million miles per day. Ison is moving away from Secchi A at that speed which makes it appear smaller from that camera each hour.. THE ROCKS ARE DARK NOW. They will become darker as they move further from the sun over Earth..They will not become smaller.”

Let’s examine that statement: Makes it appear smaller”?
Uh, then explain how it appeared the same on the way in at the same distance.
And the hubble saw nothing which means anything there is must be smaller than 500 foot, not “Miles and miles wide”* -said in stoned voice.
And there aren’t 21 pieces.
I like how he, once again, places an image stolen from something else and uses it to ‘prove’ his point.
Take something, use an unfamiliar image of it, claim it is something else entirely.
That is what BPEarthwatch does.


22 posted on 12/21/2013 8:35:51 AM PST by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: Darksheare

I disagree.


23 posted on 12/21/2013 8:36:53 AM PST by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: Yosemitest
Okay, explain then how everything HERE isn't being magically drawn into us the same way ISON is supposedly being magically drawn into us.
24 posted on 12/21/2013 8:37:56 AM PST by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: Yosemitest

25 posted on 12/21/2013 8:38:55 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (...)
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To: Darksheare

You’re assuming that Hubble knew WHERE to look.


26 posted on 12/21/2013 8:38:59 AM PST by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: Yosemitest

LD = Lunar Distance

On December 18, 2013 there were 1446 potentially hazardous asteroids.
Recent & Upcoming Earth-asteroid encounters:
Asteroid Date(UT)Miss DistanceSize
2013 XY8 Dec 11 2 LD 50 m
2013 XS21 Dec 11 0.2 LD 6 m
2013 XT21 Dec 11 1.1 LD 15 m
2013 XU21 Dec 14 6.1 LD 26 m
2013 XH22 Dec 18 1.9 LD 27 m
2011 YD29 Dec 28 6.1 LD 24 m
2007 SJ Jan 21 18.9 LD 1.9 km
2012 BX34 Jan 28 9.6 LD 13 m
2006 DP14 Feb 10 6.2 LD 730 m
2000 EM26 Feb 18 8.8 LD 195 m
2000 EE14 Mar 6 64.6 LD 1.8 km

All of those asteroids, and ISON is what we’re supposed to be afraid of?


27 posted on 12/21/2013 8:39:18 AM PST by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: Yosemitest

“You’re assuming that Hubble knew WHERE to look.”

Orbital mechanics tells you where to look.
ISON is NOT being magically pulled into us.
If it were, then so would much of these:
http://www.minorplanetcenter.net/iau/Animations/Inner_2011.gif


28 posted on 12/21/2013 8:40:15 AM PST by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: Yosemitest

http://www.braeunig.us/space/orbmech.htm
http://physics.info/orbital-mechanics-1/


29 posted on 12/21/2013 8:41:47 AM PST by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: BenLurkin

Alas, poor Ison; I knew him, Horatio.


30 posted on 12/21/2013 8:47:30 AM PST by Rebelbase (Tagline: optional, printed after your name on post)
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To: Yosemitest

31 posted on 12/21/2013 8:48:55 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (...)
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To: Yosemitest

http://www.naic.edu/~gibson/thesis/true_w2bjir_9_zoom.jpg
Pleaides.
BPEarthwatch uses a green filtered image of that in his video “Comet ISON debris moving fast”.
Again, your source is a liar.


32 posted on 12/21/2013 8:51:01 AM PST by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: Darksheare

In time, we shall see ...


33 posted on 12/21/2013 8:54:07 AM PST by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: Yosemitest

http://www.naic.edu/~gibson/thesis/true_w2bjir_9_zoom.jpg
When one uses an image and claims it is something else entirely to create fear and panic, he is a liar of the worst sort.
Defending a liar is the same as telling the lie yourself.


34 posted on 12/21/2013 8:55:13 AM PST by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: Darksheare
Thanks for this link.
When I have more time, I'll take a closer read of it.
35 posted on 12/21/2013 8:55:23 AM PST by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: Yosemitest

http://www.amsat.org/amsat/keps/kepmodel.html
http://www.astrophysicsspectator.com/topics/gravity/KeplerianOrbit.html
http://www.astrophysicsspectator.com/topics/gravity/KeplerianOrbitSim.html


36 posted on 12/21/2013 8:56:38 AM PST by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: Darksheare
Not necessarily.
But researching something to prove or disprove it for yourself, is something else entirely.
37 posted on 12/21/2013 9:13:56 AM PST by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: Yosemitest

http://www.naic.edu/~gibson/thesis/true_w2bjir_9_zoom.jpg
Shrink that image down to about twenty percent and then compare it with “BPEarthwatch” image in the video here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=3W72XRFeqyQ#t=45


38 posted on 12/21/2013 9:16:45 AM PST by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: Yosemitest

And LYING flat out about what something is does not make one believable.
BPEarthwatch flat out LIED.
Defending the liar after it is shown he is lying makes one just as much a liar.


39 posted on 12/21/2013 9:17:40 AM PST by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: Bullish

I just started watching another one of those subtitled Korean shows that is trying to use comet Ison as part of the plot, kind of. heh


40 posted on 12/21/2013 9:31:10 AM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: Darksheare

NICMOS on the Hubble is down. NEOWISE IS the ticket for infrared observations, even though its sensitivity is degraded. Incidentally, it was conveniently brought out of mothballs in September. Finding anything with the Sun as backdrop is tough as evidenced by previously unknown asteroids observed after flyby.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2013/12/20/neowise_nasa_s_asteroid_hunter_is_back_in_business.html


41 posted on 12/21/2013 11:30:39 AM PST by Ozark Tom
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To: Rebelbase

42 posted on 12/21/2013 5:29:36 PM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: Darksheare
When one uses an image and claims it is something else entirely to create fear and panic, he is a liar of the worst sort.

Where are those Earthshattering comet fragments?

Anyone checked lately to see what that Nibiru believing heretic is blathering about now? Any more doctored pleiadean pictures being foisted off as Ison? Maybe he's discovered a new threat from his aliens in New Mexico?

But due to my extreme diligence, I have successfully located Ison. See for your self..


43 posted on 12/25/2013 12:35:52 PM PST by NoCmpromiz (John 14:6 is a non-pluralistic comment.)
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To: NoCmpromiz

Ison cometpocalypse is supposedly tomorrowish.
Expect the date to wiggle around.
New “predictions” and “revelations” to appear and then a quiet shuffle to the next fear du jour.


44 posted on 12/25/2013 4:18:44 PM PST by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: Darksheare
the next fear du jour.

Would it have anything to do with the 16 foot tall aliens hiding in the mountain in New Mexico, or wherever it is?

45 posted on 12/25/2013 5:15:02 PM PST by NoCmpromiz (John 14:6 is a non-pluralistic comment.)
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To: NoCmpromiz

Ah, bpearthwatch’s “reptoid brothers”?
Who knows.
On Dec 28, 2011 YD29 will make a close approach.
6.1 lunar distance.
Perhaps some abject panic over that.


46 posted on 12/25/2013 5:20:07 PM PST by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: Darksheare
6.1 lunar distance....Perhaps some abject panic over that.

Without a doubt since that's only a hair over a million miles - much closer than the .4 AU that the 'Isonids' will come.

Wait a minute - 2011?? Well, we must all be dead then!

47 posted on 12/25/2013 5:27:36 PM PST by NoCmpromiz (John 14:6 is a non-pluralistic comment.)
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To: NoCmpromiz

Yeah.
Elenin killed us all in 2011 already.
It must be a siiiign!

I’m not holding my breath that any of the “comet (whatever) is really (insert insane claim here) and will kill us all” crowd will admit they are wrong.


48 posted on 12/25/2013 5:32:10 PM PST by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: NoCmpromiz

And autocowrecked chopped “asteroid” out before “2011 YD29”.


49 posted on 12/25/2013 5:33:20 PM PST by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: Yosemitest

Today is December 28.


50 posted on 12/28/2013 7:39:13 AM PST by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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