Skip to comments.Vanity - Getting off the Grid
Posted on 12/23/2013 1:33:41 PM PST by onona
I am curious. Is there any good resources about how to become a nomad in America ? Nearing retirement, and thinking that I could RV it with no permanent home address.
How does one register a vehicle, or renew a drivers license, and so on, without a mailing address ?
If I don't officially "Live" in a particular state, can I go buy a truck in New Hampshire and pay no sales tax ?
I'm thinking about this as a way to distance myself from the feds.
Some variations of that can lead to extreme isolation and drive one a bit crazy.
Not that there is anything wrong with that.
Full-time RVers know how to do it. My Dad did it for a couple of years He paid a mail forwarding company (I think it was in Texas) to be his permanent address. He could call them any time and have them hold or forward his mail to whatever RV park he was staying in.
Ask around RV folks for resources.
... and the Feds are just a phone call away to help you when you need them. ;o)
Didn’t end well for Albert Brooks.
Not as free as one might believe.
The restrictions, ordinances, laws make it difficult.
Fees at parks are high. Best to join organizations for best rates. Going to town in your RV can be a hassle depending on size of your unit. Often parks are not near towns that you might want to visit and explore.
While you meet some very interesting people you must also be wary. Some are not nomads by choice but to evade problems, legal or otherwise.
Did it for a year and tired of it. In the end I just never felt safe or secure and didn’t find the freedom of movement I had expected.
As far as a vehicle registration is concerned, I think you may need a physical address as opposed just a PO Box.
I think you can still have a bank account without a physical address but not a Brokerage account.
I’ve given this some thought and IMO, you may need to buy a vacant lot in the middle of nowhere.
About the only SURE way to ditch the surveillance state is to head for Belize, the middle of the Amazon jungle or leave the planet.
And think about this: If you bail, that’s one less patriot to fight the bastards. If enough folks do that, IT WILL ONLY GET MUCH, MUCH WORSE!
NOWHERE TO HIDE:
Why not just buy a lot somewhere in some dying small town that would allow you to park your motor home on it, to use as your base for an address and banking?
You’re on the grid and it’s really hard getting off of it. To start with register your RV as owned by a off-shore corporation.
Unless you’ve got a whole bunch of money to hide, it’s too much bother IMHO.
BTW, There is NO LEGAL requirement to pick up your mail.
Certified or other.
True, but for certain legal proceedings (including IRS and court notices), if certified mail is sent to your "last known address," you are legally deemed to have received and read it whether you actually got it or not.
Camping World has a boatload of information. Lots of people do it. Although there are some minimums if you want to register a vehicle, have a drivers license and maintain a bank account.
It’s a waste of time and energy. I just say, “come and get me whenever you want. You’ve got my address ...” ... LOL ...
Can you pass for a Mexican? Get a drivers license in Mexico and US license plates and say you are an illegal alien. They might put you on a welfare role though.
Do not get a license plate form a state that has emission or safety inspections as it would be hard to keep them up to date. You can park on Federal land for a month without paying fees in many places. Some places charge some to haul trash and clean the john.
If you wish to be like me, the only mail I now receive is just bulk mail crap..........
As for auto registration, simply give your children's address and have the annual registration renewal mailed to their house and you can pay for it via the internet.......Of course the tabs will be sent to them but they can forward it on to you.
Yes, the courts and judges will rule in favor of the plaintiff if the defendant has been deemed as properly served, even if the defendant is dead.
However, there are a boat load of homeless people with no “Last known” or “permanent address” that are completely off the radar.
IMO, it comes down to this, Can you have a million dollars in the bank or in cash and claim or actually be homeless ?
No Address ?
Not belonging to any State ?
I take it you haven’t purchased an RV yet. You can buy a motor home and tow a small, economical car, or buy a truck and either put a camper on it or tow a trailer or 5th wheel. Your mileage may vary. I’ve lived in an RV since 2004. It’s registered to a PO Box. For the purposes of insurance I use a physical address, but my rate is based on the amount of miles I drive. (State Farm)
Look on Yahoo groups for an RV group that uses the same RV you will have. For example, I belong to a Winnebago group. Also I belong to a Walmart RV group.http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/walmartrving/conversations/messages You may need to be a member to see the group.
There is a website just for dump sites. http://www.rvdumps.com/dumpstations/
How do you plan to bank? Or collect your SS?
For certain purposes, you legally have a "domicile," which can be only changed by adopting a new "domicile." So if you leave your permanent address in, say, Nevada, and go bumming around the country with no new fixed address, you are legally considered to still be a "domiciliary" (and citizen) of Nevada until you establish a domicile elsewhere.
Puhrump Nevada is practically all RV folks.
RV parks everywhere there!
Many full-time RVers register their vehicles in Montana. Check around in the RV forums such as http://www.rv.net/forum
this guy, Lamar, on youtube does homesteading and lives off the grid. He seems to be an expert, built his own cabin for cheap, few bills etc.
his youtube name is solarcabin
Just as a thought exercise.
A Homeless man, pushing his cart along the street that just happens to contain a million dollars in cash.
The homeless certainly are not filing their taxes or are they expected too.
If his money is in a bank and it earns interest then the bank will report it. If his money is in a bank and doesn’t earn any reportable interest income, than there is nothing to report.
The challenge, as I see it, comes down to having a vehicle.
I’ll go back to my first post.
Establish your “residence” as a vacant lot. And it may be a good idea to do this in a zero tax state that is not your current state of residence.
You will still have to re-new your tags/drivers license and deal with auto-insurance, but you can be “OFF the Grid”.
When the authorities show up to a vacant lot to serve you papers etc....What are they going to do ?
Also, what would keep me from picking some random address as my address ?
Are they going to ask me for a utility bill to prove that I’m living with someone else?
Pick a homeless shelter.
Pick a hotel.
You’ll get your license and vehicle registration.
There are mail services nomads use that will screen your mail and forward only the things you wish to receive.
Not an answer on what to do for a permanent address but helpful for the day to day crap that you can dismiss.
A couple of the many.
Instead let’s conspire to destroy the grid
Lots of motor homers or sailors use a mail drop service as an address for the things you mention...
There are marinas that will keep cruisers mail for extended lengths of time or forward it; very common.
RV parks everywhere there
There’s a guy with a book out there called something along the lines of “make yourself invisible”.
I think the book was pre-9/11 and it’s a lot harder now.
But, IIRC, one of his better ideas was to register vehicles to a LLC that you control. The LLC gets registered in the state of your choice and there are services that will handle the PO box and forwarding any correspondence to you.
This has the added benefit that, if someone sees your vehicle/RV and as access to registration databases, they don’t pull up your name or home address, but only get the LLC info.
Nothing will stop the government - they have unlimited resources. But making yourself difficult to find may cause others who seek to do you harm to find another target.
Interesting! We have some crap ass real estate development property in the next county that was established in the 1970’s. They are literally trying to get people to “buy” or just take over the deed on these properties. They have 5 lakes with normal housing, prefabs and even travel trailers that make their home there. You can buy some lots for $800 or less. They can’t even enforce paying the association fees. It would be a great place for a pseudo address.
you might find this helpful, they live on a boat.
I do have a suggestion regarding the type of RV you get. A motor home is "all in one." The whole thing goes wherever you go. That can be inconvenient. You might consider getting a trailer and either an SUV or pickup truck to pull it. That way you can park the trailer in a campground, and have the convenience of a more conventional vehicle for shopping or local travel in the vicinity of the campground.
One word: Philippines.
Go to canaryislandspress.com and download “How to Become Invisible” by J.J. Luna.
**If I don’t officially “Live” in a particular state, can I go buy a truck in New Hampshire and pay no sales tax ?**
Actually no. You have to have an established NH residency.
NH RSA 21:6
21:6 Resident; Inhabitant. A resident or inhabitant or both of this state and of any city, town or other political subdivision of this state shall be a person who is domiciled or has a place of abode or both in this state and in any city, town or other political subdivision of this state, and who has, through all of his actions, demonstrated a current intent to designate that place of abode as his principal place of physical presence for the indefinite future to the exclusion of all others.
And from NH.com:
New Hampshire does not have a formal procedure for establishing residency. Anyone wanting to establish residency must provide some form of tangible proof that they are living in the state. Acceptable forms of proof include drivers license, utility bill, rental or mortgage payment, and vehicle registration.
The glitch comes when you try to register the vehicle.
At one time, many people were coming to NH....getting PO boxes for a NH address...........and registering their cars here [NH] to avoid property taxes. Connecticut came down on them big-time and now, you rarely see a Puerto Rican family with NH plates dropping their kids off at an inner city Hartford school.IIRC there was a program to *turn-in* people you saw with NH plates.
Check into this ~
As long as you have a cell phone, computer and/or credit cards you can and will be tracked or monitored by the NSA.
I don’t want to be a Pirate!
I was going to recommend something like that.
Now how do I bump this thread?
Yeah, I thought of that too. Thanks
use the address of a relative for Social security, bank accounts, driver’s license.
A post box will do for some of these things.
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