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Smart Grid Technology, Now Spreading Across U.S., Will Raise Energy Prices to Reduce Demand
CNSNews.com ^ | 12/24/2013 | Susan Jones

Posted on 12/25/2013 6:35:37 AM PST by rktman

The Obama administration is spending billions of dollars to modernize the nation’s power grid, with the goal of changing the way Americans use energy. Your electric bill will go way up, unless you allow the utility to control your energy load at times of peak demand.

“Smart grid” technology involves a wireless, two-way flow of information between individual homes and the power plant. This allows the utility to charge more for electricity, depending on when it is used; and it enables the utility to manage energy for the consumer, to reduce the impact on the grid.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Science; Society
KEYWORDS: centralcontrol; christmaslights; didiots; ecowackos; electricity; powergrid; smartenergy; smartgrid; smartmeters
Geez. I'm still trying to remember where I heard something about energy prices maybe having to skyrocket. Darned if I can rememb............... Wait. It just popped in. Our ever affable ROTUS, aka, the "lyin' king", said that. Guess he wasn't lyin' about that one. "If you like your electricity rates, you can keep your electricity rates. Nobody can take them away from you. Period." Lied about that. Uh, he said skyrocket, he said keep........... Keepin' the "rubes" confused for 5 years straight.
1 posted on 12/25/2013 6:35:38 AM PST by rktman
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To: rktman

What’s so smart about that?

If the primary goal is to raise prices, why not just raise taxes and redistribute?


2 posted on 12/25/2013 6:38:02 AM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Pearls Before Swine

Does this include giving China our codes to shut it down


3 posted on 12/25/2013 6:39:24 AM PST by ronnie raygun
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To: rktman

The “prog” liberals are taking us back to the Stone Age. Break out the torches and bonfires.


4 posted on 12/25/2013 6:39:46 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Merry Christmas to all my fellow Americans. "Whatever" to everybody else!)
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To: rktman

Well, that was the entire point of “smart” grids. And “smart” meters.

“You’re using too much electricity so we’re just going to help you adjust to lesser useage”.......and the lights and AC go out.


5 posted on 12/25/2013 6:41:37 AM PST by FAA
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Nope. Not allowed. Too much CO2.


6 posted on 12/25/2013 6:42:09 AM PST by dhs12345
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To: FlingWingFlyer

I think I heard a report of some folks in the NE part of the country working with candles and fireplaces (if not banned due to air quality indexes) until sometime this weekend. Smart grid is no match for ice storms.


7 posted on 12/25/2013 6:42:39 AM PST by rktman (Under my plan(scheme), the price of EVERYTHING will necessarily skyrocket! Period.)
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To: FAA

Yeah, come to think of it we did have a flicker last night. Since we have family in for the holidays, there may have been an over-usage of electricity due to all the laptops, ipad, ipad minis, cell phone chargers, playstations etc all being used at the same time. Not looking forward to the elec/gas bill for this month. Might have to get a pt job to pay it.


8 posted on 12/25/2013 6:45:45 AM PST by rktman (Under my plan(scheme), the price of EVERYTHING will necessarily skyrocket! Period.)
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To: ronnie raygun

Depends. Have they been bundling contributions lately?


9 posted on 12/25/2013 6:45:49 AM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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To: rktman

Unintended consequences will come into play as a result. Looks like it’s time for folks to start generating their own electricity and heat. Not for the eco-nazi’s benefit, but as a way of reducing cost and increasing redundancy.


10 posted on 12/25/2013 6:47:54 AM PST by RKBA Democrat (Getting some small say in who will get to hold the whip doesn't make you any less a slave.)
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To: rktman

Christmas Lights? Electricity Price Index at All-Time High in U.S.

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/christmas-lights-electricity-price-index-all-time-high-us


11 posted on 12/25/2013 6:51:26 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; me = independent conservative)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Saw that one but figured someone would have posted it before me. Thanks JH. Hope you have a nice Christmas.


12 posted on 12/25/2013 6:53:29 AM PST by rktman (Under my plan(scheme), the price of EVERYTHING will necessarily skyrocket! Period.)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

> This allows the utility to charge more for electricity, depending on when it is used; and it enables the utility to manage energy for the consumer, to reduce the impact on the grid.

IOW, when some holier-than-thou jackass wants to charge up his or her electric car, they’d better do it at night, or, in California, do it during peak loading but on someone else’s dime.

Thanks rktman.


13 posted on 12/25/2013 6:58:58 AM PST by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: RKBA Democrat
"Unintended consequences will come into play as a result. Looks like it’s time for folks to start generating their own electricity and heat. Not for the eco-nazi’s benefit, but as a way of reducing cost and increasing redundancy."

Rumor has it that eco-nazi’s burn with a very hot flame.
14 posted on 12/25/2013 6:59:08 AM PST by clearcarbon
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To: rktman

I wish I could look at that chart without obstructions when I click it. For some reason it is super huge.


15 posted on 12/25/2013 7:13:17 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; me = independent conservative)
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To: SunkenCiv
Most electric generation works better when run constantly rather than with highs and lows. Thus charging a low rate at night during off-peak hours makes sense. Businesses have been subject to this for a long time, even going to the extent of making ice at night to cool a building in the day rather than pay to use air conditioning compressors during peak hours.

But all of that is strictly between the customer and the power company without the government being involved. Publish the rates for various times of day and let me decide whether to pay it or not and whether it makes sense to do things like run solar because it is most productive during peak hours.

16 posted on 12/25/2013 7:17:37 AM PST by KarlInOhio (Everyone get online for Obamacare on 10/1. Overload the system and crash it hard!)
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To: rktman; All
--while I will no doubt get flamed for this, there is a lot of sense in utilities spreading power usage to off-peak hours , which should be obvious to anyone with the least bit of scientific or( or economic) background--

--and , btw, the utility from which my folk's farm received power fifty-odd years ago was already doing this --you were able to put the home water heater on a separate clock controlled circuit which only let it run off-peak--

17 posted on 12/25/2013 7:17:44 AM PST by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the media or government says about firearms or explosives--)
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To: rktman
Energy Department touts consumer empowerment: “Research indicates that consumers are ready to engage with the Smart Grid as long as their interface with the Smart Grid is simple, accessible and in no way interferes with how they live their lives."

So then what's the point of building appliances and AC that will be shut off during periods of high demand? Won't water heaters that don't heat water, AC units that don't cool houses, and dishwashers that refuse to start "interfere" with the way people live their lives?

18 posted on 12/25/2013 7:20:53 AM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: rktman

And this by man who had the electricity up so high in the white house that people were sweating. His excuse? He was from Hawaii and felt the cold here.

It didn’t matter that he had been here many years and would have acclimated.


19 posted on 12/25/2013 7:22:29 AM PST by kitkat (STORM THE HEAVENS WITH PRAYERS FOR OUR COUNTRY.)
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To: rellimpank
--while I will no doubt get flamed for this, there is a lot of sense in utilities spreading power usage to off-peak hours , which should be obvious to anyone with the least bit of scientific or( or economic) background--

Ditto. I cannot believe how scientifically illiterate the folks in our country have become, and that includes a lot of Freepers.

When I was a kid we had one of those timed hot water heaters too. Cheaper rates for having it heat at night.

I wish everyone could spend some time in a peaking plant, as I did for over a year as an operator.

It was a small, 120 megawatt plant with 3 old 60 megawatt oil fired generators and a 20 megawatt jet turbine generator.

We didn't run a lot in the spring or fall, but as winter or summer approached, we would start going online at about 6AM as people took their showers and cooked breakfast.

That at round 9 or 10AM we would idle them down and sometimes even shut down some, or all , depending on demand.

At around 4 or 5 PM, it was back to full tilt for the evening, usually shutting down around 9 or 10PM for the night.

On cold days in the winter, or hot days in the summer, it was wide open with the building a constant roar to squeeze out every amp, trying to keep the voltage up.

I wish folks could experience the sheer power it takes to produce electricity.

As plants go, this was a small, antique one, with a 12 inch line for #6 bunker fuel for each 60 megawatt generator.

The fuel had to be heated to flow.

If everyone had their clothes dryer do its' duty in the middle of the night, and their hot water heated at night, it would make a huge difference.

In the summer, I heat our hot water with solar, and am working on upgrading the system to be year round.

In the spring and fall, we use electric, and in the winter, our System 2000 boiler.

I have now converted all but two of our light bulbs to LEDs.

The two not converted are seldom used 3-way bulbs.

My long term goal is to be able to take the house off grid.

20 posted on 12/25/2013 7:57:00 AM PST by Mogger (Independence, better fuel economy and performance with American made synthetic oil.)
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To: Mogger
--good post--

--I should have added that the farmers and other users soon learned to game the system by setting the clock on the water heater ahead when they needed hot water, so the utility had to go to radio control on the setup--

21 posted on 12/25/2013 8:41:30 AM PST by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the media or government says about firearms or explosives--)
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22 posted on 12/25/2013 8:47:39 AM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: KarlInOhio

Thanks K!


23 posted on 12/25/2013 2:46:32 PM PST by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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