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Father, son found dead in underwater cave
Foxnews ^ | Dec 26, 2013 | Fox staff

Posted on 12/27/2013 7:59:02 AM PST by driftdiver

Edited on 12/27/2013 8:26:03 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

A Christmas Day cave diving excursion ended in tragedy in Weeki Wachee, Hernando County authorities said.

Two divers drowned in the popular Eagles Nest Sink location. Deputies say Darrin Spivey and his 15-year-old son, Dillon Sanchez, were testing diving equipment they received as Christmas presents.


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TOPICS: Local News; Outdoors
KEYWORDS: diving; florida
Of all the ways to die drowning in a cave knowing you killed your son through stupidity has to be one of the worst.
1 posted on 12/27/2013 7:59:02 AM PST by driftdiver
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To: driftdiver

idiot “father”


2 posted on 12/27/2013 7:59:27 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: driftdiver

3 posted on 12/27/2013 7:59:47 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

Diving lesson #1 - never ‘test’ new diving equipment in an underwater cave.


4 posted on 12/27/2013 8:01:05 AM PST by skeeter
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To: driftdiver

Testing new equipment in cave diving - what stupidity!


5 posted on 12/27/2013 8:01:19 AM PST by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: ScaniaBoy

Probably wasn’t the equipment that killed them. It was probably getting lost in the cave.

Its incredibly easy to do.


6 posted on 12/27/2013 8:02:31 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

Sometimes you jusr have to say ‘no’.


7 posted on 12/27/2013 8:03:36 AM PST by bramps (Mark Levin: Would Christie, McConnell, and Boehner repeal obamacare? Not a chance!)
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Mercy, what a sweet lot you all aren’t.


8 posted on 12/27/2013 8:04:02 AM PST by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: skeeter

I’ve seen the entrance to caves at about 80 feet. One had a sign with a skull and crossbones on it. The text said ‘stop or you will die’.

People without training still went past the sign, and yes some of them die.


9 posted on 12/27/2013 8:04:13 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: BibChr

I feel for the kid. I have nothing but contempt for the father. His ego killed them both.

I’ve seen the insides of caves in this area. Nothing in them is worth dying for.


10 posted on 12/27/2013 8:05:25 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: yldstrk

I wouldn’t have agreed with you , until I read this.

“Deputies say Spivey was an experienced diver, but not a cave diver. Sanchez, however, was not a certified diver. “


11 posted on 12/27/2013 8:10:14 AM PST by UCANSEE2 (I forgot what my tagline was supposed to say)
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To: driftdiver

They probably weren’t trained for the specialty of cave diving and like you said, got lost.


12 posted on 12/27/2013 8:10:48 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (Obamacare: You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.)
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To: driftdiver

I’ve been in there, back when I was young and very stupid.


13 posted on 12/27/2013 8:14:47 AM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: UCANSEE2; yldstrk

Cave diving requires special training. In beginning dive training they harp on you to never go into caves without training. It requires training and special equipment. Cave diving instructor would even even accept a kid that young for training. They simply dont have the experience to survive an incident.

One wrong kick of your fins and you stir up the much, turning the water from crystal clear to completely blind. They don’t have a reel on their suits in that picture. You have to strong a line from the entrance all the way. So you can follow the string back if you get lost.

Highly experienced cave divers die all the time.


14 posted on 12/27/2013 8:17:43 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Jeff Chandler

There are lots of stories. People will stab others with their dive knife to get their air tank.

One lady, a very experienced cave diver, had a malfunction and then ran out of air. When they found her she had clawed at the rock with her fingers hard enough to rip the fingernails and flesh off the ends of her fingers.


15 posted on 12/27/2013 8:21:13 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

Also LUCKY!


16 posted on 12/27/2013 8:21:41 AM PST by painter ( Isaiah: “Woe to those who call evil good and good evil,")
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To: driftdiver

Absolutely, but if you aren’t familiar with your equipment it adds another complication to an already extremely risky activity.


17 posted on 12/27/2013 8:21:47 AM PST by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: ScaniaBoy

Heck I’ve always tested out new equipment in some of the spring fed lakes before doing an ocean dive, let alone taking them into a cave.


18 posted on 12/27/2013 8:24:42 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

I taught SCUBA diving for years, but never had the opportunity to go cave diving. I would think it would be wise to carry a pony tank in case of emergency. I don’t know about navigation. I can navigate in the ocean with or without a compass using surge direction, sand ripples and pilotages, but what do you use in a cave? Cord?


19 posted on 12/27/2013 8:25:34 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (Obamacare: You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.)
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To: Jeff Chandler; driftdiver

I see you addressed navigation in #14.


20 posted on 12/27/2013 8:26:26 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (Obamacare: You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.)
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To: driftdiver
For those who read Driftdiver's post he is exactly right.

I have been diving since 1994. I am NOT cave certified nor have and desire to get certified, and will not get anywhere NEAR an underwater cave!

21 posted on 12/27/2013 8:27:49 AM PST by painter ( Isaiah: “Woe to those who call evil good and good evil,")
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To: Jeff Chandler

Yeah, you string a cord from the entrance and put little plastic arrows on it to point the way out.

Hopefully you tie the cord properly and don’t lose it.

I don’t cave dive, but have talked to a lot of them. Im a rescue diver, adv, and nitrox but dont teach. Dont want to teach either but do help on occasion.


22 posted on 12/27/2013 8:28:12 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver
Dont want to teach

It gets old, always diving with a crowd. It's been many years since I've done it.

23 posted on 12/27/2013 8:31:14 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (Obamacare: You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.)
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To: driftdiver

Yup, son not certified, Dad not experienced cave diver, etc.


24 posted on 12/27/2013 8:33:23 AM PST by SgtHooper (If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you.)
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To: driftdiver

I have no idea how I will die...... but it won’t be by drowning in an underwater cave! That creeps me out just thinking about it!


25 posted on 12/27/2013 8:39:08 AM PST by Ditter
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To: driftdiver

I live over in Spring Hill a few miles from there. The Darwin Awards should set up a field office at the cave entrance. The father might have figured it was safe to go down their because the underground water levels are low, (one reason, they say that their’s been sinkhole activity in the region.) Well this is a tragic example of why a little knowledge is dangerous


26 posted on 12/27/2013 8:45:55 AM PST by Impala64ssa (You call me an islamophobe like it's a bad thing.)
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To: Jeff Chandler

As in all diving where you cannot make a direct ascent special precautions have to be taken. Pony bottle is just one of them. Real cave divers have at least two independent regulators, two lamps, lots of extra gas etc etc. And still a number of divers diving in caves die each year.


27 posted on 12/27/2013 8:47:47 AM PST by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: driftdiver

What stupidity! I’ve caved for over 30 years but have never cave dived. I don’t even do scuba. All I know, is I get the NSS accident reports every year and the thing is full of cave diving fatalities. Looks like this idiot father with no cave diving certification and his kid will make it in their this year.


28 posted on 12/27/2013 8:55:13 AM PST by caver (Obama: Home of the Whopper)
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To: driftdiver
I guess the new equipment didn't work.
29 posted on 12/27/2013 8:57:37 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Who knew that one day professional wrestling would be less fake than professional journalism?)
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To: driftdiver

Cave diving like wreck diving is done with training and in small steps as the diver gains experience. Even spelunkers (dry cave explorers) get lost and disoriented, add a limited air supply and you increase the danger almost exponentially, especially for the inexperienced.

However, I will rise (gingerly) to the defense of the father! It is not beyond belief that he went in after an all too bold 15-yo! Yes, it was his fault to choose a place where such misadventure was possible, but do not assume he was the instigator. In tragedies like this, take away the lesson but do not speak unnecessary ill of the dead!

Like pilots, divers need to respect their limits and keep well away from them.
There are old divers,
there are bold divers,
there are passingly few (if any) old, bold divers!


30 posted on 12/27/2013 9:04:06 AM PST by SES1066 (Quality, Speed or Economical - Any 2 of 3 except in government - 1 at best but never #3!)
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To: Jeff Chandler

I see cave divers at the springs. Many with have three of everything. Depending on how deep they plan to go they will stage tanks along the route.


31 posted on 12/27/2013 9:06:43 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: SES1066

I guess that’s possible but in m y experience I wouldn’t bet on it. For one the father shouldn’t have taken his son diving until the oid was trained.


32 posted on 12/27/2013 9:09:07 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

Incredible CARELESSNESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


33 posted on 12/27/2013 9:42:29 AM PST by bandleader
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To: SES1066

Except the father was twice as deep as the son.

Lots of last names in that family.


34 posted on 12/27/2013 9:54:32 AM PST by PAR35
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To: BibChr

There is essentially no margin for error in cave diving—dabble and die. Even people who know what they’re doing get it from time to time. It has a longstanding reputation for being just about the most dangerous recreational activity. Though tragic, this is Darwin Award material. These guys basically asked for it.


35 posted on 12/27/2013 10:12:45 AM PST by Trod Upon (Every penny given to film and TV media companies goes right into enemy coffers. Starve them out!)
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To: driftdiver

someone inexperienced in diving in underwater caves should never venture a dive into an underwater cave except with an experienced underwater diver and only when that diver has experience in that cave - you need an experienced guide, someone who has previously made it safely in and back out

otherwise, it’s like asking for trouble


36 posted on 12/27/2013 10:17:13 AM PST by Wuli
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To: driftdiver

‘Cave-diving’ is almost as exhilarating as hydroelectric dam inlet diving. What a rush, Man...../s


37 posted on 12/27/2013 10:20:36 AM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: painter

Hell I don’t even get near above water caves!!!


38 posted on 12/27/2013 11:48:48 AM PST by al baby (Hi Mom… I was refereeing to Obama)
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To: driftdiver

How come father and son have different sur names ?


39 posted on 12/27/2013 11:51:44 AM PST by al baby (Hi Mom… I was refereeing to Obama)
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To: driftdiver
One had a sign with a skull and crossbones on it. The text said ‘stop or you will die’.

One of the side effects of all the "idiot warnings" on too many things is that some people routinely ignore all warnings.

40 posted on 12/27/2013 11:59:04 AM PST by ClaytonP
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To: ClaytonP

I agree with your statement but for some reason I believed this one. 80 feet under water, the surface of which was about 40 feet under ground level. To reach it you had to swim through a maze of boulders the size of cars and limestone with holes the size of your head. Fossils galore and dark since there was limited sunlight.

Maybe I’m chicken but I believed it. Even have a picture of it around here somewhere.


41 posted on 12/27/2013 12:05:16 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver
Two things I will never do in this life (and therefore never die of):

Skydiving
Diving

I have no idea why the above would appeal to anybody.

42 posted on 12/27/2013 12:16:20 PM PST by SamAdams76
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To: Impala64ssa

I got my open water certification at “Vortex Springs” somewhere in the panhandle when I was 14. My brother was with me and he was 13. The cave entrance is probably 100 feet off the end of the dock and 100 feet down. Water is so clear you can see the cave entrance standing on the dock when there aren’t many divers.

I was one of the last to dive that day and the lead instructor took me down. Went into the entrance of the cave. Could hardly see for the silt. He gives me the sign to buddy breath. So we pass the regulator back and forth as he leads me out of the cave. I thought we were training. Get out of the cave and he hits my BCP and up we go. We hit the surface and I tell him “WHF? We weren’t down 5 minutes?”
He says “I ran out of air”. Never told my Dad. He’d have probably killed the guy.

Things can go bad pretty quickly. Prayers for the dead divers.


43 posted on 12/27/2013 12:21:16 PM PST by saleman
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To: driftdiver

Sad. RIP.


44 posted on 12/27/2013 12:21:31 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: SamAdams76

Diving is great. Fish, the sun, boats and girls in bikinis. Its incredibly relaxing.

Cave diving is another animal.


45 posted on 12/27/2013 1:11:17 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: ScaniaBoy

A good friend of mine owns the local dive shop and has been diving since the early 1980’s or earlier. He is probably one of the best divers in the world. He certified to train every certification PADI has to offer including cave and Wreck diving. Which is basicly the same thing. He told me when you cave dive you take two of everything. When you enter a cave or wreck you use 1/3 of you air going in and have 2/3’s to get out with.


46 posted on 12/28/2013 8:57:20 AM PST by painter ( Isaiah: “Woe to those who call evil good and good evil,")
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To: SES1066
Like pilots, divers need to respect their limits and keep well away from them. There are old divers, there are bold divers, there are passingly few (if any) old, bold divers!

That is what I was taught. When I help teach a dive class that is what I tell my students.

47 posted on 12/28/2013 9:03:02 AM PST by painter ( Isaiah: “Woe to those who call evil good and good evil,")
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