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Neanderthal Bone Could Push Back Evolution of Complex Speech
Archaeology mag`` ^ | January 02, 2014 | editors

Posted on 01/02/2014 8:44:12 PM PST by SunkenCiv

The near-complete skeleton of a 60,000 year-old adult male Neanderthal found in a cave in Israel contains a bone in the area of the throat whose shape and relation to other bones suggest it provided modern human's extinct relatives with the capability for complex speech. The Neanderthal's horseshoe-shaped hyoid bone has a similar appearance to that of modern humans. It is wider than in non-human primates, like chimpanzees, that cannot make human-like vocalizations. An international team of scientists created a computer model of the Neanderthal hyoid and showed that its positioning would have likely allowed the hominins to speak. Further, hyoid bones of the 500,000 year-old Homo heidelbergensis have also been found but not yet studied. If they turn out to have a similar configuration to the Neanderthal, then human-like speech may have begun as many as 400,000 years earlier than previously thought.

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TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: epigraphyandlanguage; godsgravesglyphs; neandertal; neandertals; neanderthal; neanderthals; tedholden; varmintspam
Yuliya S., via Wikimedia Commons

Yuliya S., via Wikimedia Commons

1 posted on 01/02/2014 8:44:13 PM PST by SunkenCiv
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To: StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; decimon; 1010RD; 21twelve; 24Karet; 2ndDivisionVet; ...
The Neandertal Enigma
by James Shreeve

in local libraries
"Frayer's own reading of the record reveals a number of overlooked traits that clearly and specifically link the Neandertals to the Cro-Magnons. One such trait is the shape of the opening of the nerve canal in the lower jaw, a spot where dentists often give a pain-blocking injection. In many Neandertal, the upper portion of the opening is covered by a broad bony ridge, a curious feature also carried by a significant number of Cro-Magnons. But none of the alleged 'ancestors of us all' fossils from Africa have it, and it is extremely rare in modern people outside Europe." [pp 126-127]

2 posted on 01/02/2014 8:46:52 PM PST by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: SunkenCiv

They probably sang, too.


3 posted on 01/02/2014 8:47:14 PM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: All
I'll say it agaihn, this is what a Neanderthal actually looked like:

They may well have been capable of speech (crows, African grey parrots, and Southern Grackles are all speech capable), but they were not related to us at all. Their DNA is halfway between ours and that of a chimpanzee and there is no reason to believe that any other hominid ever had DNA closer to ours than that.

The real story...;

4 posted on 01/02/2014 8:54:23 PM PST by varmintman
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To: SunkenCiv

Looks like an early example of the “Occupy” movement.


5 posted on 01/02/2014 8:54:41 PM PST by ElkGroveDan (My tagline is in the shop.)
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To: SunkenCiv

There’s a bunch of those guys outside my office building.


6 posted on 01/02/2014 9:26:22 PM PST by kaehurowing
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To: SunkenCiv
Well, if this guy can talk So can I
7 posted on 01/02/2014 9:36:45 PM PST by Beowulf9
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To: SunkenCiv

Is he white?

/s [<- Necessary for the slow ones]


8 posted on 01/02/2014 9:38:18 PM PST by Darteaus94025 (Can't have a Liberal without a Lie)
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To: SunkenCiv

A Neanderthal walked into a Cro Magnon bar and asked “who wants to go clubbing with me?” ... and that’s when the trouble began.


9 posted on 01/02/2014 10:26:40 PM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: varmintman

“They may well have been capable of speech (crows, African grey parrots, and Southern Grackles are all speech capable), but they were not related to us at all. Their DNA is halfway between ours and that of a chimpanzee and there is no reason to believe that any other hominid ever had DNA closer to ours than that.”


Pure BS! Actual recreations have them looking like a mean looking version of us. Give him a haircut and a suit, and he’d take your job. Not only that, but it has already been shown that they interbred with us, leaving the vast majority of us with Neanderthal somewhere in our ancestry.

And for the record, individual Chimpanzees from different troops are far more different from EACH OTHER than we are from Neanderthals.


10 posted on 01/03/2014 1:44:12 AM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
Everything we know about Neanderthals is consistent with Venderamini's reconstructions.
11 posted on 01/03/2014 4:02:22 AM PST by varmintman
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To: varmintman
I'll say it agaihn, this is what a Neanderthal actually looked like:

So says Danny Vendramini, a writer with whose credentials are hard for me to find after a a bit of searching. A bio pages says "Australian born, Danny Vendramini had successful careers as a theater and film director and scriptwriter before turning to evolutionary biology". Find me ANYBODY with serious background in the biological sciences who supports Vendramini's hypothesis, and maybe I'll pay attention.

Reconstructions by people with actual science backgrounds have Neanderthals looking not too different from us. Give one a shave, shower, and modern clothes and you would probably walk pass him on the street without thinking him that unusual.

12 posted on 01/03/2014 4:09:34 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: PapaBear3625

What is it they say, you can lead a donkey to water.....


13 posted on 01/03/2014 4:26:36 AM PST by varmintman
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To: varmintman

How Neanderthal Are You?

In the last few years, scientists have uncovered clues not just to what the lives of Neanderthals may have been like, but also clues that tell us more about what it means to be a modern human.

Most interesting of all is that, although Neanderthals disappeared long ago, their DNA lives on in all non-African people.

Most people have Neanderthal DNA, on average about 2.5 percent, but there are outliers, who have much more.

http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2011-12/how-neanderthal-are-you


14 posted on 01/03/2014 7:51:21 AM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: TigersEye

A neanderthal walked inot a Cro-magnon bar and was asked . What do want Mr. Kerry?


15 posted on 01/03/2014 7:57:47 AM PST by Busko (The only thing that is certain is that nothing is certain.)
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To: varmintman

Bigfoot? :-)


16 posted on 01/03/2014 8:21:26 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: SunkenCiv

I mentioned the discovery of the Hyoid Bone in Neanderthal Fossils in my Book on Vocal training.

The Book (Pop/Rock Broadway Vocal Technique) was copyrighted in 2000.

I am very surprised that the mainstream media is just getting around to reporting this.

Anyway, thanks for the article.


17 posted on 01/03/2014 8:53:45 AM PST by left that other site
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To: BenLurkin
How Neanderthal Are You?

Zero, same as you and everybody else.

Read the article.

18 posted on 01/03/2014 8:56:49 AM PST by varmintman
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To: BenLurkin
Here is what really happend several 10000's years ago, based on new research and some speculation:::

1. Focus on the 2 major hominoids groups left on Earth at that time.
2. Both 2legged humans originated in N.Africa ( NThal & HSap)
3. Forget the "Savanna" and "Tree climbing" Theory in regard Upright walking.
4. The modern Human is Aquatic based, it developed its upright skill by walking/fishing etc. in shallow rivers, lakes, swamps, Water is the only element that forces you to be upright, not tall grass or trees. The special H2O gravity makes it easy to stand up. Today 44 percent of the worlds population lives within 80 mls of water. The beeing Hairless & having a fat layer under the skin is also a cause of living in water.
5. The NT got out of Africa early, due to higher curiosity/aggression/fearless or was forced out. The HS followed later.
6. The NT & HS are able to interbreed, DNA is compatible.
7. Mosts skeletons were discovered in western and central Europe, general spread is assumed Eurasia.
8. The NT developed red/light Hair trades, due to many generations of Snow/cloud etc. conditions in Europe.

Todays connection::
9. The "ideal" fine balance of ~97.5% HS and 2.5% NT, mix of DNA was reached. This fine balance (aggression/fight/war vs intelligent life sustainability) created the rapid progress in the modern world visible today. Nearly 100% of all migration occurs still today, from ...to...you figure it out!!
10. If you know a RedHead, you can feel their fierce Nthal genes in their bones.


19 posted on 01/03/2014 10:39:16 AM PST by Koracan
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To: varmintman

Keep saying it, MAYBE one day people will realize the truth.


20 posted on 01/03/2014 1:32:20 PM PST by Shadowstrike (Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: left that other site; Greetings_Puny_Humans; PapaBear3625; BenLurkin

Thanks! Strange isn’t it? But the idiots who have been vomiting up their own racism toward Neandertal have been at it since Virchow. The idea of the mute Neandertal is part of the master-race nonsense that *is* the Replacement model.


21 posted on 01/04/2014 12:34:51 AM PST by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: TigersEye; Darteaus94025; Beowulf9; kaehurowing

;’)


22 posted on 01/04/2014 12:41:00 AM PST by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: Koracan
5. The NT got out of Africa early, due to higher curiosity/aggression/fearless or was forced out. The HS followed later.
...
9. The "ideal" fine balance of ~97.5% HS and 2.5% NT, mix of DNA was reached. This fine balance (aggression/fight/war vs intelligent life sustainability) created the rapid progress in the modern world visible today. Nearly 100% of all migration occurs still today, from ...to...you figure it out!!
10. If you know a RedHead, you can feel their fierce Nthal genes in their bones.

I think most of what you said is very plausible. Where I disagree is the assumption that the aggressiveness comes from the NT side, rather than the more-recently-out-of-Africa HS side.

Consider the distribution of aggressiveness between African and non-African peoples. Also consider the distribution of intelligence. Could it be possible that the NT were exterminated by the African HS, not because they were less intelligent, but because they were less savage?

Survival in the cold North requires a higher level of cooperation and mutual support among people.

23 posted on 01/04/2014 3:39:42 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: SunkenCiv

They were probably more socially organized and advanced than some areas of Detroit.


24 posted on 01/04/2014 5:24:35 AM PST by left that other site
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To: PapaBear3625; varmintman; SunkenCiv; All

In addition Neanderthals were probably mostly blue eyed and red headed. The so called “ginger” gene found in about 40% of people of that coloration in the British Isles, or is it 40% of all or something like that. That coloration made Vitamin D formation and absorbtion from skin more effective, and thus better formation of female pelvic (birth) structure.


25 posted on 01/04/2014 11:22:33 PM PST by gleeaikin
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To: gleeaikin

The “Redheads ‘Are Neanderthal’” topic that originally enticed me to FR years ago is gone (it was one of the old-style topics that got purged, I believe as part of the out of court agreement with AP) but there’s plenty more where that came from:

http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/gingergene/index


26 posted on 01/06/2014 5:36:04 AM PST by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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