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Female Marine Pullup Failure Doesnít Mean Women Arenít Strong
The Federalist ^ | JANUARY 3, 2014 | Mollie Hemingway

Posted on 01/04/2014 2:41:29 PM PST by nickcarraway

More than half of female Marines in boot camp can't do three pullups, the minimum standard that was supposed to take effect with the new year, prompting the Marine Corps to delay the requirement, part of the process of equalizing physical standards to integrate women into combat jobs.

The delay rekindled sharp debate in the military on the question of whether women have the physical strength for some military jobs, as service branches move toward opening thousands of combat roles to them in 2016. Beginning this week, all female Marines were supposed to be able to do at least three pullups on their annual physical fitness test and eight for a perfect score. Men have the same minimum requirement but need 20 for a perfect score. The previous minimum standard for women was a timed flexed-arm hang. The new requirement was tested on female recruits at Parris Island last year but only 45 percent of women could do even three.

Now, some might say that this proves women aren’t strong. Hogwash. Women are very strong. To give just one important example, more than 100 million women give birth each and every year. It is an impressive feat of strength. Women also nurse their babies, which is fraught with problems ranging from mastitis to thrush. Women display physical strength in many ways, from athletic prowess to working jobs requiring them to be on their feet all day.

And it doesn’t prove that men are physically superior in every way. To given just one unimportant example, some large percentage of men have such a hard time dealing with the common cold that fantastic comedy sketches are written about it. (“For God’s sake, woman, he’s a man, he’s got a man cold!”)

But to state the obvious, by which I mean I’m about to say something extremely controversial, the average female is not as strong in the upper-body region as the average man. (Again: Please don’t demand I be written out of polite society for noting this truth that was universally acknowledged until roughly 15 minutes ago.) Even at my Crossfit gym, which is full of freakishly strong humans of both sexes, the men routinely outperform the women. And one of the things I love about my gym is that everyone is simply encouraged to do their work to the best of their ability.

So the problem with the fact that most female Marine recruits aren’t meeting even the minimum requirement for upper-body strength isn’t that women aren’t strong. In fact, the problem is not even that men and women have different physical strengths.

The problem is that we are all supposed to pretend that men and women are identical. It doesn’t help men, women, children or the institutions they inhabit to pretend natural differences don’t exist. And here, it’s actually dangerous. We may have forgotten in our rush to drone warfare what actual combat entails. It’s grueling and requires tremendous physical and mental strength and discipline.

Marine Corps Commandant Gen. James Amos wants training officials to “continue to gather data and ensure that female Marines are provided with the best opportunity to succeed,” according to a statement from the Marines. The Associated Press then goes on to characterize the truth that “pullups require the muscular strength necessary to perform common military tasks such as scaling a wall, climbing up a rope or lifting and carrying heavy munitions” simply as a “belief” held by the Marine Corps. I wonder where they got that crazy idea. I mean, I can’t scale a wall or climb a rope but I’ve noticed that everyone at my gym who can do these things can also do a pullup. Or 20 pullups. One can read these statements and the backtracking on pullup requirements as a precursor to watering down the skills required to be effective in a Marine combat situation. The story states that if the military decides to keep some positions closed to women, they must explain why.

Success for women should not mean being viewed, contrary to reality, as interchangeable with men in all things. Men and women are both strong but strong in very different ways, both of which contribute mightily to human flourishing.


TOPICS: Health/Medicine; Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: dumbingcombatdown; irony; marines; satire; womenincombat
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1 posted on 01/04/2014 2:41:29 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

No no no no no no no....

And going swimming doesn’t mean you are going to get wet.


2 posted on 01/04/2014 2:44:17 PM PST by Mr. K (If you like your constitution, you can keep it...Period.)
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To: nickcarraway

I don’t think anyone ever said women are not “strong.” I am sure most, if not all, men could not stand the pain of childbirth (although many women are foregoing that these days — who knows what the long-term implications of THAT are).

BUT women are not strong WHERE IT COUNTS when on the battlefield.

Leaving her buddy to die (or dying with him/her) because of PC is a pretty awful ending.


3 posted on 01/04/2014 2:45:09 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Fight Tapinophobia in all its forms! Do not submit to arduus privilege.)
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To: nickcarraway
"Separate but equal?"



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O stranger, tell the Lacedaemonians that we lie here, obedient to their command.

Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name. (Isaiah 49:1 KJV)

4 posted on 01/04/2014 2:47:00 PM PST by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines RVN 1969 - St. Mlichael the Archangel defend us in Battle!)
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To: nickcarraway
Female Marine Pullup Failure Doesn’t Mean Women Aren’t Strong

Ya, they beat up men all the time on TV....

And cold weather means the planet is warming up.

5 posted on 01/04/2014 2:48:25 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: nickcarraway
Even at my Crossfit gym, which is full of freakishly strong humans of both sexes, the men routinely outperform the women.

Liar!

6 posted on 01/04/2014 2:50:23 PM PST by raybbr (I weep over my sons' future in this Godforsaken country.)
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To: nickcarraway

It’s gravity’s fault.


7 posted on 01/04/2014 2:50:54 PM PST by EEGator
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To: freedumb2003

This author confuses tough with strength.


8 posted on 01/04/2014 2:52:34 PM PST by EEGator
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To: nickcarraway

If at 200 lb person is upstairs overcome with smoke in a house fire, we should all hope a woman fireperson arrives on scene to carry them out...

yuk yuk...


9 posted on 01/04/2014 2:53:32 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: nickcarraway
Oh, Mollie must go to the gym everyday...


10 posted on 01/04/2014 2:53:38 PM PST by raybbr (I weep over my sons' future in this Godforsaken country.)
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To: nickcarraway

Pull! Pull, Pyle, Pull! One Pull Up, Pyle!

11 posted on 01/04/2014 2:53:52 PM PST by DemforBush (Ice cream, Mandrake? Children's ice cream?)
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To: nickcarraway

When it comes specifically to doing pull-ups, yes. Yes it does.


12 posted on 01/04/2014 2:54:54 PM PST by servo1969
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To: nickcarraway
"Now, some might say that this proves women aren’t strong. Hogwash."

LOL.

But it does prove they can't do a pull up.

This is really pretty stupid.

13 posted on 01/04/2014 2:55:46 PM PST by MV=PY (The Magic Question: Who's paying for it?)
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To give just one important example, more than 100 million women give birth each and every year.

Wow, those 100 million women will get worn out after 50 or 60 years of giving birth!
14 posted on 01/04/2014 2:56:22 PM PST by Dr. Sivana (Five years, my brain hurts a lot.)
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To: raybbr
Even at my Crossfit gym, which is full of freakishly strong humans of both sexes, the men routinely outperform the women. Liar!

Boy, did I read that wrong. This piece doesn't make any statement. She, like most pundits today, equivocates her topic to the point the piece is pointless.

15 posted on 01/04/2014 2:56:33 PM PST by raybbr (I weep over my sons' future in this Godforsaken country.)
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To: nickcarraway

Gee, she’s comparing apples and oranges. Childbirth has nothing to do with battlefield survival.


16 posted on 01/04/2014 2:56:48 PM PST by RginTN
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To: nickcarraway

So the new standard of strength is giving birth and nursing someone?

A person (male or female) who cannot pull his or her own weight up is W-E-A-K!

I almost puked when I read the part about women being strong because many are on their feet all day. Marines have to be on their feet all day where all day may literally be all 24 hours of a day and part of the next standing while marching and fighting. Strength tests for Marines must be based on strength required in combat.

Frankly, women should stick to giving birth and nursing babies.


17 posted on 01/04/2014 2:57:14 PM PST by MIchaelTArchangel (Have a wonderful day!)
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To: MV=PY

I think woman should be allowed to compete in male professional boxing matches...

yuk yuk


18 posted on 01/04/2014 2:57:44 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

Why aren’t women allowed in the NFL??

They’d do so well...


19 posted on 01/04/2014 2:58:45 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: ConorMacNessa

Semper Fi, Brother. Been wanting to say that for a while.


20 posted on 01/04/2014 2:59:52 PM PST by real saxophonist (The revolution will not be televised. Everything else will.)
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