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$15 an hour minimum wage? Then move over you lazy bums - we are moving in to take your jobs!
Free Republic | January 5, 2014 | SamAdams76

Posted on 01/05/2014 4:25:51 PM PST by SamAdams76

All this caterwauling lately by the sloppily organized "Fight for 15" movement, with the mission to force a $15 minimum wage for low-skill workers has got me to thinking: If retailers and fast food joints are going to be forced to pay $15 a hour to sling fries or ring up sales at a cash register, than why not pay that money to people like me?

Now I'm pretty happy in my high-skill daytime job, thank you very much. I make plenty enough money to pay the bills and then some. I'm doing okay, don't worry about me. However, like most people who don't have a million bucks or more sitting in the bank, I could always use extra cash. And I do have enough free time nights and weekends to work a second job. However, the current wages being paid for most of those part-time jobs just never appealed to me - not worth the aggravation. So I come home at night, have dinner, surf some Internet, read a book, maybe a little Netflix. Weekends pretty much the same, I run a few errands, do some yard work, but basically a lot of free time in which I could be earning a few extra bucks.

However, if the lazy bums who are pissing and moaning about how unappreciated they are for doing a low-skill job get their wish, and their employers are now forced to pay a minimum wage of $15/hr, consider me in the market for that second job.

If I work a second job 25 hours a week at $15 an hour, that comes to $375 a week and somewhere around $300 after taxes.

Now that's only a fraction of what I make in my full-time job but 300 extra dollars in my pocket every week is nothing to sneeze at. That's around $15,000 a year that I can spend on myself because it's "extra" money.

What will I do with that money?

I can get that new MacBook Pro I've been wanting. I can put a billiards table in the rec room without the wife getting all weird on me. I can outfit my "man cave" with a bar and new flat screen TV and the wife can't say a thing because what I make on my second job is splurge money just for me. Of course, I'll spend some of that money on her too and who knows, at $15/hr, she might want to get her own part-time "low-skill" job to get some extras for herself.

So that brings me to the point of this screed, if companies are going to be forced to pay $15/hr minimum, than not only are they going to be more choosy about who they hire but they are going to have a vastly expanded pool of candidates to choose from - so they no longer have to choose from the bottom of the barrel.

People like myself are going to run circles around the disaffected youths and the lifetime losers that previously held those jobs. I've been in the workforce more than 25 years. I show up on time, have a positive attitude, never complain and gripe, and don't take sick days. My customer relation skills are top-notch. All customers will get service with a smile and I'll keep them coming back. So who do you think these companies are going to pay $15 to? Somebody like me who will be dependable, hard-working and a net asset to their operation or some punk kid with attitude who wears a ballcap backwards? Or some 40-year-old loser with poor personal hygiene and who still lives in his parents basement? Or some shrill, needy single mom who is always bitching and looking for time off because her kid is home from school, or she needs to go to court to squeeze more money out of her ex-husband, or some other drama?

Not only that but these companies will quickly find that they need less employees because people like me can do twice the work of these slobs. So a typical McDonalds, for instance, who might staff 30 workers for the night shift might be able to make do with 15-20 as they are not getting much better quality employees.

So all this rabble who are picketing fast-food places, supermarkets and retail stores to get their $15/hr "living wage" are in for a big surprise should they ever get their wish. For they will have to now compete with people like me and millions of others who already have the skill set these employers are looking for. They will have priced themselves right out of the job market because they simply aren't worth $15/hr.

Then what will they do?


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1 posted on 01/05/2014 4:25:51 PM PST by SamAdams76
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To: SamAdams76

I will march across the street from the tax office and start slinging burgers.


2 posted on 01/05/2014 4:36:42 PM PST by kempster
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To: SamAdams76

That’s almost $29000 a year. A good military retiree with 20 years solid, honorable service could live well on that salary along with his retirement check.

They’d never be late or be caught texting at work.

This isn’t a terrible idea!


3 posted on 01/05/2014 4:37:00 PM PST by Marie (When are they going to take back Obama's peace prize?)
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To: SamAdams76

I agree with you except where you claim you will net about $300.00 a week on earnings of about $375.00 a week. You’ll get much less than that after paying taxes.


4 posted on 01/05/2014 4:38:58 PM PST by MIchaelTArchangel (Have a wonderful day!)
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To: SamAdams76

It’s been pointed out before that a $15/hr wage puts them in competition with better people for their jobs.


5 posted on 01/05/2014 4:42:05 PM PST by ltc8k6
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To: SamAdams76

That is what I tink too. If they are going to pay 15 bucks and hour they are going to give it to people who are worth it. A lot of jobs would be lost but then again we wouldnt be drowned out by illegals. That would also teach a lesson to the country clubbers who are strong arming GOP congressmen to vote for amnesty and create a socialist state by design, stuidity or greed.


6 posted on 01/05/2014 4:45:02 PM PST by amnestynone (Lindsey Graham is feckless, duplicitous, treacherous, double dealing backstabbing Corksucker.)
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To: SamAdams76; RichInOC; Prince of Space; JoeFromSidney; TNMountainMan; alphadog; infool7; ...
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7 posted on 01/05/2014 4:45:24 PM PST by narses (... unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you.)
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To: SamAdams76

Unintended consequences for sure. The people screaming that they have to have $15 an hour for minimum wage are likely to end up losing their jobs because most of them can be replaced with better employees for that kind of money.


8 posted on 01/05/2014 4:46:37 PM PST by Tammy8
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To: SamAdams76
Ok then, but who will buy a Big Mac for $14.00 when you can grill a pound and a half Angus with potato?
9 posted on 01/05/2014 4:51:25 PM PST by AU72
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To: SamAdams76

Bring on the machines.

I would rather deal with a robot than these incompetent takers.

Probably get better food too.


10 posted on 01/05/2014 4:53:37 PM PST by Gabrial (The nightmare will continue as long as the nightmare is in the Whitehouse.)
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To: AU72

You can argue against raising the minimum wage without ridiculous hyperbole. Do you realize the labor is only 25% of the total cost of a fast food meal? So do the math; doubling min wage will only increase the retail price by 25%.


11 posted on 01/05/2014 4:55:24 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: SamAdams76

I think the writer is in for a rude surprise should they get their 15 an hour..

He’ll have to take that second job just to deal with the higher prices of damn near everything due to higher costs of labor across the boards.


12 posted on 01/05/2014 5:03:13 PM PST by cableguymn (It's time for a second political party.)
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To: Marie

Why, yes...yes, I could. The retirement check covers PITI, the part-time job would take care of the rest. BRING ON THE $15/hour MINIMUM WAGE!!!


13 posted on 01/05/2014 5:03:39 PM PST by AF_Blue ("America is all about speed. Hot, nasty, bad ass speed." - Eleanor Roosevelt, 1936)
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To: SamAdams76

Yes, indeed the workforce will be more competetive but the costs will also be passed on to consumers. Kiss the Mickey D’s dollar menu goodbye. The libs will also use this wage increase to demand an increase of the bennies for their lazy voting base. So in the end we will all work more, pay more in taxes on the higher wages, so that some hoodlum can continue to call his baby momma on his Obamaphone, and tell her to pick him up a pack of Kools and a dime bag of weed by cashing in some Foodstamps, on her way back to her Obamahome from the salon where she just got her hair did, and paid for it with her EBT card. On her way back to her Obamahome she will trade some milk and cereal from the WIC she gets for her kids for a couple of hits off the crack pipe, but don’t worry cause this ho got it covered if she gets an STD or has another baby she now gots Obamacare for that, ain’t life grand in Obamaland.


14 posted on 01/05/2014 5:04:10 PM PST by Typical_Whitey (The fundamental transformation resistance is futile you will be assimilated.)
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To: SamAdams76

Sorry Sam, but you’re going up against the real organizers behind these “protests”... the tax-exempt foundations of the new world order, with the investment income from hundreds of billions in capital to fund these activities.

The global elites promote these campaigns.

From the “Economic Policy Institute”...

http://www.epi.org/publication/issuebriefs_ib138/

At the end of the article, EPI gives some thanks...

“The Economic Policy Institute is grateful to The Annie E. Casey Foundation, Charles Stewart Mott Foundation, The John D. and Catherine T. MacArthur Foundation, the Joyce Foundation, and The Rockefeller Foundation for their support of this work.”

Rabble-rousing communist organizing is being backed by the global financial elites, so it won’t go away until they go away.


15 posted on 01/05/2014 5:04:50 PM PST by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: SamAdams76

So, if the unskilled drones will now be making $15/hour, what will happen to the semi-skilled workers who had been making $15/hour previously? And if they get bumped up to $20, what happens to the more skilled workers who had already been making $20? And so on...


16 posted on 01/05/2014 5:07:17 PM PST by TruthShallSetYouFree ( July 4, 1776: Declaration of Independence. Nov 6, 2012: Declaration of Dependence. R.I.P. America.)
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To: SamAdams76

I saw screw ‘em. If the $15 thing ever proves out, then let’s take those $15/hr jobs on a part time basis. Given a proven work ethic, maturity (age), ability to communicate and intimidate we can insure our children have $15/hr hour jobs and they still get the essential experience of a first job. Kick the slackers to the curb. Screw ‘em. Don’t speak English ... you go hungry. Have dreadlocks ... you go hungry. Have piercings on your face ... you go hungry. F’n liberals with an entitlement mentality ... you go hungry.


17 posted on 01/05/2014 5:07:55 PM PST by ConservativeInPA (We need to fundamentally transform RATs lives for their lies.)
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To: Gabrial
The machines are coming...count on it.

That's why I'm not panicking like others over "factory" jobs going overseas. Even those foreign factory workers are on borrowed time. Machines (robots) will work 24/7 and won't complain - or sport tattoos.

18 posted on 01/05/2014 5:07:55 PM PST by SamAdams76
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To: TruthShallSetYouFree

Don’t get me wrong, I’m not advocating that the minimum wage should be raised to $15/hr. I was just trying to point out with my post the unintended consequences should it actually come to be. And yes, all the people currently making $15 or more are going to squawk if they don’t get an equivalent raise that will maintain their places in the pecking order.


19 posted on 01/05/2014 5:11:34 PM PST by SamAdams76
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To: Gabrial; All

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3100817/posts


20 posted on 01/05/2014 5:20:34 PM PST by farlander (Fiat Justitia, Ruat Caelum. Sic Semper Tyrannis!)
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To: SamAdams76

My son, recently graduated with a MS in Mechanical Engineering, has a completely different take on the $15/hr minimum wage idea.

He is in favor of it, because it will drive more demand for automation in food services, which will help him and his industry.

Raise the minimum wage high enough, and your job, too could be automated away.


21 posted on 01/05/2014 5:20:52 PM PST by tpmintx (Gun free zones are hunting preserves for unarmed people.)
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To: SamAdams76

$15 per hour used to be good money.... Like, 20 years ago...


22 posted on 01/05/2014 5:25:47 PM PST by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: SamAdams76
....so they no longer have to choose from the bottom of the barrel.

If the social planners think business is going to open its arms to hordes of uneducated and unskilled newly legitimized foreign nationals when they can get experienced English speakers for their $15/hour who are not interested in joining a union. They are misinformed.

23 posted on 01/05/2014 5:33:34 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Do The Math)
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To: Marie
They’d never be late or be caught texting at work.

And wouldn't want to join a union. As an aside you could use the extra income for an IRA.

24 posted on 01/05/2014 5:36:06 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Do The Math)
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To: SamAdams76

The protestors are all old enough to have had ample opportunity to work their way up past minimum wages jobs. Maybe it’s a problem with their work ethic. Plus the guy in front appears to be in need of AIDS meds.


25 posted on 01/05/2014 5:39:54 PM PST by Ezekiel (All who mourn the destruction of America merit the celebration of her rebirth.)
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To: ltc8k6

It’s ECON 101. An increase in the price of labor equates to an increase in labor supply and a decrease in labor demand, which results in a surplus of labor - also known as ‘unemployment’.


26 posted on 01/05/2014 5:41:22 PM PST by Hoodat (Democrats - Opposing Equal Protection since 1828)
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To: central_va
doubling min wage will only increase the retail price by 25%.

That is very true, but the kids and immigrants will lose their jobs so burgers will be outside of their budget. Rich folks can afford the extra 25% but will go elsewhere anyway.

27 posted on 01/05/2014 5:42:58 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Do The Math)
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To: Mike Darancette
Bingo. Reminds me of a guy in my neighborhood who would detail cars in his garage to make some extra money. I took my car there a few times. He did an OK job - nothing spectacular - but since it was so much cheaper than a professional detailer, I was okay with what I was getting for my money. Eventually, he got greedy and started charging more. A lot more. I figured I might as well get my detailing done by a professional if I'm going to pay that price and so I stopped taking my car there.

That what this "fight for 15" bunch is setting themselves up for.

28 posted on 01/05/2014 5:44:03 PM PST by SamAdams76
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To: Ezekiel

He does have that “Freddie Mercury” look to him, come to think of it!


29 posted on 01/05/2014 5:46:09 PM PST by SamAdams76
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To: SamAdams76

most of the burger flippers in my neighborhood are qualified for “stamps” along with their pay.....they dont want to make 15 bucks an hour for a 40 hour week..they wanna may 15 for a 20 hour week...still get the “stamps”..


30 posted on 01/05/2014 5:53:53 PM PST by sternup
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To: SamAdams76

Looking back at the sign in the photo, I see they should cross out all that stuff past “I demand” and just write “ a nanny and regular diaper changes”.

These people are infants by choice and will bang their rattles and squeal and scream when $15/hr jobs go to... those whose work is worth $15/hr.

Can’t even hope for an alien abduction... aliens would beam back to their own planets stat as soon as they got a close look at these losers.


31 posted on 01/05/2014 6:07:14 PM PST by Ezekiel (All who mourn the destruction of America merit the celebration of her rebirth.)
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To: central_va

“Do you realize the labor is only 25% of the total cost of a fast food meal? So do the math; doubling min wage will only increase the retail price by 25%.”
Since obummer took over the white hut, the price for a combo meal at What a burger went from about $4.50 to over $8.50.
Most people of meager means are dining on the dollar menu.
$15 dollars an hour for someone who can’t put two creamers In a medium coffee?
No thanks, bring on the robots.....


32 posted on 01/05/2014 6:16:19 PM PST by 9422WMR (: " Tolerance is the virtue of a man who has no convictions".)
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To: ltc8k6

At $15.00 an hour, a college degree may just be a requirement to sling fries. {sarcasm)


33 posted on 01/05/2014 6:23:05 PM PST by This I Wonder32460
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To: Typical_Whitey

Naah, they won’t raise prices that much, they’ll just automate more and the $15/hr will go to a manager or other more skilled person who keeps the machines running.


34 posted on 01/05/2014 6:27:52 PM PST by coydog (Time to feed the pigs!)
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To: SamAdams76

Absolutely EXCELLENT article. I’m retired, and have this expensive Kindle book habit. I could read a little less, pay for my habit...socialize and probably have some left over for a new fishing rod. Tempting, really tempting. (...and I’m not kidding!)


35 posted on 01/05/2014 6:31:13 PM PST by ThePatriotsFlag (...and to the Republic for which it stood.)
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To: SamAdams76

If they do get $15, that will devalue our straight income so we’ll HAVE to get a burger flipping job just to stay even.


36 posted on 01/05/2014 6:56:28 PM PST by bgill
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To: AU72

The price of that potato alone would be $14. Vicious cycle.


37 posted on 01/05/2014 6:59:04 PM PST by bgill
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To: Typical_Whitey

Michey D has already kissed their dollar menu goodbye. It’s now the value menu with items up to $5. Or so I’ve heard since I can’t afford to eat there.


38 posted on 01/05/2014 7:01:33 PM PST by bgill
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To: ltc8k6
What about the people who are already making $15 and hour? For them, they will have taken a MAJOR demotion and it shows them that any effort to improve themselves will be penalized in favor of these lowlifes who can barely keep a job.
39 posted on 01/05/2014 7:09:23 PM PST by Ouderkirk (To the left, everything must evidence that this or that strand of leftist theory is true)
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To: 9422WMR
It's the $15 rippling through the economy - 25% of the cost of a quickie meal may not be much, until every ingredient goes up.

Years ago the sales pitch for a Taco Bell type franchise went like this:

1/3 of expenses are for fixed costs, buildings, equipment and utilities.

1/3 of expenses is for the cost of food.

The 1/3 left over is potential profit. Labor was spread over all three parts based on revenue.

About a 100k investment plus capital costs, needed one year expenses in the bank.

Sad to say, but in my area I can only depend on Whataburger and Chic-fil-a to have actual Americans owning them.

40 posted on 01/05/2014 7:37:34 PM PST by texas booster (Join FreeRepublic's Folding@Home team (Team # 36120) Cure Alzheimer's!)
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To: SamAdams76

Wouldn’t $5,000 per hour be better?


41 posted on 01/05/2014 7:44:09 PM PST by stevem
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To: Marie

Any enterprising hard worker will likely be best off getting a franchise of his own and end up making more than twenty-nine thousand a year and he’ll be able to make a small fortune.


42 posted on 01/05/2014 7:53:40 PM PST by CorporateStepsister (I am NOT going to force a man to make my dreams come true)
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To: 9422WMR

around here a 1/4 ponder with cheese value meal will set you back about 7 bucks..

But our DQ’s have 5 dollar lunches. burger, fries, sundae and drink, it’s hard to fit it all in.

McDonald’s would leave me hungry.


43 posted on 01/05/2014 8:38:15 PM PST by cableguymn (It's time for a second political party.)
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To: SamAdams76

I thought upwards of 6 bucks for a McD “Value” meal was starting to get silly, Imagine how the college agers are gonna feel paying 15 bucks for a #2?


44 posted on 01/05/2014 8:40:51 PM PST by GraceG
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To: kempster

Increase in minimum wage =’s Increase in illegal immigration

Expect more to come over and export more US dollars to Mexico, especially in “sanctuary” cities and states. End result is a weaker America caused primarily by a lack of entry jobs for youth that would build responsibility and teach a work ethic.


45 posted on 01/06/2014 6:42:30 AM PST by Boomer One
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