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Disparate impact: classrooms, comfortable places for girls, terrible places for boys
World ^ | Dec. 28, 2013 | Marvin Olasky

Posted on 01/06/2014 7:26:58 AM PST by xzins

American Enterprise Institute resident scholar Christina Hoff Sommers is best known for her notable—and controversial—books about feminism and American culture. A new and revised edition of her 2001 book, The War Against Boys: How Misguided Policies Are Harming Our Young Men, came out in August.

You wrote last year about your granddaughter receiving a toy train, placing it in a baby carriage, and covering it with a blanket so it could get some sleep. What does that tell you? That boys and girls are different. There are exceptions, but as a rule a little girl’s choice of play, at the earliest age, involves a lot of theatrical, imaginative, turn-taking games. As they get a little older, they love to exchange confidences with a best friend. Boys tend not to do this. The theatrical, imaginative games: not so much. Exchanging confidences with a best friend: haven’t seen it.

Boys prefer ... Rough-and-tumble play: a lot of running around, mock fighting, usually with sound effects, and the boys tend to be very happy—but many parents and teachers have confused such play with violence. When children are violent, there’s a lot of unhappiness and they part as enemies. Violent children are usually not popular. It’s just the opposite with “rough-and-tumble” play: Children are happy and boys who are good at it will tend to be popular. They’re building critical social skills.

What happens if we clamp down on that? In some cases little boys are suspended for their drawings, or for playing cops and robbers or imaginative superhero play. If the earliest experience a little boy has is disapproval, we threaten his social development and make him unhappy with school. This may be in part an explanation of why boys are so far behind in reading and writing.

What happened when Hasbro, the toy makers, hoped to market a doll playhouse and a toy baby carriage to both boys and girls? Hasbro brought in children to interact with this playhouse, which they hoped to market to both boys and girls—not because they were egalitarian feminists, but because you double your profits if you come up with a toy that interests boys as much as girls. Girls came in, put the baby in the carriage, played with the toy stove and refrigerator. The boys catapulted the miniature baby carriage from the roof of the toy house.

Why can’t some academics accept the obvious? On college campuses it is now an article of faith that we are all born to be bisexual. One feminist put it dramatically, saying, “We are transformed into male- and female-gendered human beings, one to command, the other to obey.”

If we understood these differences, how would schools be different than they are now? First, teachers would learn in teachers’ colleges what they’re not learning today, that girls are readier for school. A 5-year-old girl is a more mature being than a 5-year-old boy: It is very hard for him to sit still. We’d have two different styles of classrooms. A school superintendent once acknowledged that all our classrooms are very comfortable places for girls, with flowers and snowflakes. They’re pretty. I told him, “Maybe you should put in something boys like—dangerous insects, or rockets.” A lot of teachers are uncomfortable with that.

What would the school day look like? Lots of recess. Different classroom settings, not just one style that is sedentary, competition-free, and risk-averse.

Most of the students here at Patrick Henry College are from homeschooling backgrounds. How should the differences between boys and girls affect homeschool curricula? It’s going to be easier to get your daughter to read: She’s probably more verbal and probably started talking earlier. Typically, boys have better visuals and are better at finding a way out of a maze. Girls are better at remembering everything they saw along the way. You may have a bookish boy who’s quiet and automatically loves poetry and things, but chances are you will not. He feels like a caged animal and wants to get out. So, be aware of that and work with it.

Let’s keep going on this: What difference would a better understanding have on high school? Oh boy. There are exceptions, but boys and girls, on average, find different sorts of books interesting. Airport bookstores don’t have signs saying “Men’s magazines” or “Women’s magazines,” but we know they’re there. The women’s magazines typically show faces and all sorts of human interest and fashion. The men’s magazines are usually about stuff. Ninety percent of people who subscribe to Popular Mechanics are males.

High schools should accommodate Popular Mechanics people. Not everybody is going to college. Our colleges are 57 percent female, and 62 percent of master’s degrees last year and the year before went to females. Women have surpassed men now even in getting Ph.Ds. To survive in the new economy you need education beyond high school, so we should keep up with the Europeans: They’re offering in their high schools career and technical training.

Aviation High School in Queens, New York, is doing some things right. It has more than 2,000 kids in this gritty part of Queens. I thought, “This can’t be a high school because it looks like a factory.” I went inside and thought I was in the wrong place because it was so quiet: These kids weren’t merely interested, they were enthralled. They have academics half the day, and they have to get through those classes to spend the other half of the day tinkering with an airplane that’s parked out in the parking lot, or taking courses in aviation.

Overwhelmingly boys, I suspect. The school’s 87 percent male. I met some girls there: They’re fabulous, and they know they’re different. Many of the kids come from struggling, urban communities, mostly Hispanic, black, and Asian. It has one of the highest graduation and college matriculation rates. They move on to fantastic careers. This should be a model for other parts of the country, and it’s not just me saying this. At a recent Harvard University graduate school conference called “Pathways to Prosperity,” educational leaders from all over the world agreed that our high schools should be partly career training that offers pathways into good jobs.

But young men and women might have different job desires. The girls tend to go into early childhood education. Cosmetology is popular, as well as various medical professions. The boys are in welding, automotive repair, and computer technology disproportionately. Some women’s groups in Washington consider it inequitable that not as many girls show up for welding and refrigeration and trucking. I try to introduce a little common sense. Yes, introduce the girls to these fields, because you will make more money if you’re a metallurgist or an aviation mechanic than you will as an early childhood educator. Let the young women know that, but don’t have a quota system.


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1 posted on 01/06/2014 7:26:58 AM PST by xzins
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Boys prefer ... Rough-and-tumble play: a lot of running around, mock fighting, usually with sound effects, and the boys tend to be very happy—but many parents and teachers have confused such play with violence. When children are violent, there’s a lot of unhappiness and they part as enemies. Violent children are usually not popular. It’s just the opposite with “rough-and-tumble” play: Children are happy and boys who are good at it will tend to be popular. They’re building critical social skills.
2 posted on 01/06/2014 7:28:16 AM PST by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins

I just read this on World a few minutes ago and think it’s a very good read.


3 posted on 01/06/2014 7:29:10 AM PST by scripter
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To: scripter
Airport bookstores don’t have signs saying “Men’s magazines” or “Women’s magazines,” but we know they’re there

This was a good line. We know the differences are all around us.

4 posted on 01/06/2014 7:32:02 AM PST by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins
On college campuses it is now an article of faith that we are all born to be bisexual

The (sane) mind boggles.

5 posted on 01/06/2014 7:32:03 AM PST by tomkat
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To: scripter

I think the equivalent in the corporate world in the company meeting. I’ve noticed that women (and girly men) thrive in meetings. Guys like me do whatever we can to avoid these sideshows, especially when they get to be more than about 3-5 people.


6 posted on 01/06/2014 7:32:36 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Vigilanteman

Before wireless laptops and smartphones, meetings were really annoying.
Then God gave us wonderful connectivity...


7 posted on 01/06/2014 7:34:36 AM PST by nascarnation (I'm hiring Jack Palladino to investigate Baraq's golf scores.)
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To: Vigilanteman
sideshows

Slideshows. :>)

Purposeless meeting make me cringe. I'll take a planning meeting over a "how things are going" meeting 999 times out of a 1000.

8 posted on 01/06/2014 7:34:39 AM PST by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins

My boys definitely enjoy rough and tumble playing around. When I was married my wife would always hate it, saying her brothers never did anything like that and blah blah blah... And now... she wants me to continue teaching them self defense and how to take somebody down as quickly and as hard as possible. What changed? I don’t know, maybe she woke up.


9 posted on 01/06/2014 7:37:55 AM PST by scripter
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To: xzins
I'll agree than planning meetings can be quite useful . . . IF they stay on topic. That is most likely to happen if the attendance is five people or less.

I worked for a small company in Japan which had a room with a high round table and enough space for about five people to stand around.

The rules were no smoking, no food and no drink. We were generally in and out of there in 15 minutes or less.

10 posted on 01/06/2014 7:38:43 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: xzins
This was a much safer, more civil and better country back when a popular song could have lyrics like these:

"This Is All I Ask" (Tony Bennett)

Beautiful girls,
walk a little slower when you walk by me
Lingering sunsets,
stay a little longer with the lonely sea
Children everywhere,
when you shoot at bad men, shoot at me
.
Take me to that strange,
enchanted land grown-ups seldom understand

11 posted on 01/06/2014 7:40:39 AM PST by Maceman (Just say "NO" to tyranny.)
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To: scripter
FWIW, I did the same thing with three girls. The lucky guys who married them know he has a sturdy partner.

And let me tell you, these sessions could get rough. I still have a bad back from three little girls piling on me and taking me down . . . but it was worth it.

12 posted on 01/06/2014 7:41:31 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Vigilanteman

I had a battalion commander in Korea who would call his staff meetings outside standing. They were more than 5 people — about a dozen — but they were lickety-split.

Especially in winter.

I recall some 5 minutes meetings outside in the winter. It was very easy to admit that what you’d say in a warm room wasn’t really all that necessary to say.


13 posted on 01/06/2014 7:42:32 AM PST by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: scripter
My 3YO grandson is a typical little boy. Fortunately, he has an 11YO uncle that can keep up with him...I can't! lol

My son's played tackle football for 4 years and is in his 3rd year of Scouting. He alone is tough enough to keep up with, but life is infinitely far more enjoyable.

14 posted on 01/06/2014 7:43:53 AM PST by Night Hides Not (For every Ted Cruz we send to DC, I can endure 2-3 "unviable" candidates that beat incumbents.)
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To: xzins

Years ago I worked in an outdoor job in Phoenix, Arizona. Meetings were inside in the air conditioning, and in the summer we learned to ask a lot of questions just to be able to enjoy a few more minutes out of the heat.


15 posted on 01/06/2014 7:45:25 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (Obamacare: You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.)
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To: xzins

My grandsons play war with the neighbor kids. Their play is complete with walkie talkies, camo clothing, nerf guns, forts covered with real camo netting, etc. They work a continuing storyline that has progressed for over a year. I have warned them not to do any of this at school, where the teachers might not understand.


16 posted on 01/06/2014 7:48:37 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (Obamacare: You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.)
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To: Vigilanteman

I hope my boys find girls like yours! I never had that when married and wish I did.

Lately I’ve been doing practice runs with the boys and at first they thought it was over the top. But after explaining certain situations and how fast things can happen, now when I say a certain key word they know where to go and what to do. When it hits the fan I told them no hesitation. You hesitate and you could cost all of us our lives. They get it now. My training has probably saved my life multiple times. Twice, at least and I hope it saves theirs someday as well.


17 posted on 01/06/2014 7:48:55 AM PST by scripter
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To: Jeff Chandler

My battalion commander was an SOB, but we loved him. He would have moved your Arizona meeting outside in the heat. And he would have looked for a place with no shade.

:>)


18 posted on 01/06/2014 7:48:58 AM PST by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: Jeff Chandler

When I was a kid we had 2 recesses and a lunch recess if you finished eating fast enough. We played DODGEBALL and yes, some kids got smacked. But they learned how not to have that happen. We played gang tag. Four-square (with that ball) was not pattie-cake...it was a form of war with spikes, slams, spins.

And, yes, we did the dreaded soldiers, cops, robbers, cowboys. This was pre-show and tell, so I don’t remember carrying anything to school except my lunch or books.

We made up our own games, our own guns, our own fun.

I remember when the best sled was a refrigerator box.


19 posted on 01/06/2014 7:53:52 AM PST by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: Vigilanteman
Not all women thrive.

After a year of listening to garbage at Historical Preservation group meetings...I announced that I would not be back, that they were dysfunctional and accomplished nothing and the commission should be abolished.

20 posted on 01/06/2014 7:54:36 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: xzins
My battalion commander was an SOB

He would have fit right in. This was an old school freight operation, and being an SOB was a job requirement. The trucks had no air conditioning, and I remember the day the temp rose about 122F. The next day was had meeting and I was shocked to hear the terminal manager tell us that if we feel light-headed we should get in the shade and rest. Telling us to stop working under any circumstances sounded bizarre, it was so unheard of. It turns out one of the drivers had to be treated for heat exhaustion the day before.

21 posted on 01/06/2014 7:54:51 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (Obamacare: You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.)
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To: xzins
When I was a kid we had 2 recesses and a lunch recesses

Yep. Dodge ball, keep-away, tackle football, etc. If you were a boy and didn't require patches to repair the knees on your pants, you weren't doing it right.

22 posted on 01/06/2014 7:59:08 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (Obamacare: You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.)
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To: Jeff Chandler

we all played “army” in the fifties...The “Bang, You’re dead!” “No, you missed!!!” eventually gave way to a handful of gravel wrapped with aluminum foil centered with a cherry bomb.....

The squeals and shouts gave proof to the term, “Gotcha this time!!!!”
Thank the Lord no one was ever hurt...


23 posted on 01/06/2014 7:59:43 AM PST by Boonie
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To: xzins

Airport bookstores don’t have signs saying “Men’s magazines” or “Women’s magazines,” but we know they’re there

_____________________

That sort of designation was in a lot of places when I was younger. Kitchen ware, Magazines, Tools etc. I remember them.


24 posted on 01/06/2014 8:01:09 AM PST by Chickensoup (we didn't love freedom enough... Solzhenitsyn.)
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To: Boonie

On my fourth birthday I got a green helmet, canteen, and cap grenade.


25 posted on 01/06/2014 8:01:15 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (Obamacare: You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.)
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To: xzins

Our “best sled” was the hood off a ‘53 chevrolet.....


26 posted on 01/06/2014 8:01:30 AM PST by Boonie
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To: Jeff Chandler

Well remembered!!!!!!!!


27 posted on 01/06/2014 8:02:56 AM PST by Boonie
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To: xzins
Girls came in, put the baby in the carriage, played with the toy stove and refrigerator. The boys catapulted the miniature baby carriage from the roof of the toy house.

LOL!!

28 posted on 01/06/2014 8:03:13 AM PST by Las Vegas Ron ("Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism" Vladimir Lenin)
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To: Boonie
Our “best sled” was the hood off a ‘53 chevrolet.....

I can see that. Our first car that I really remember was a 57 ford.

29 posted on 01/06/2014 8:04:14 AM PST by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins

My battalion commander was an SOB, but we loved him. He would have moved your Arizona meeting outside in the heat. And he would have looked for a place with no shade.

_________________

Uphill both ways, with no water...


30 posted on 01/06/2014 8:05:25 AM PST by Chickensoup (we didn't love freedom enough... Solzhenitsyn.)
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To: Chickensoup

If he could have.....


31 posted on 01/06/2014 8:07:15 AM PST by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: Jeff Chandler
On my fourth birthday I got a green helmet, canteen, and cap grenade.

I also got a super-giant Crayola set, for my creative side.

32 posted on 01/06/2014 8:07:25 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (Obamacare: You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.)
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To: Sacajaweau; xzins
Good for you!

And good for your CO. One of the best bosses I ever had didn't even work in the same country. But we communicated frequently and briefly and I knew he would always back me up if I made the decisions he was supposed to make but couldn't because he was unavailable when the decision was needed.

A lot of people in that situation will take credit if the result is good and hang you out to dry if it isn't. But I had worked for this guy for so long, I understood his logic and how he thought, so he had no problem with me calling the shots in those situations.

33 posted on 01/06/2014 8:07:31 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Sacajaweau

Not all women thrive.
After a year of listening to garbage at Historical Preservation group meetings...I announced that I would not be back, that they were dysfunctional and accomplished nothing and the commission should be abolished.
____________________

AMEN

Was on a board with 28 members. One meeting ran eight hours. Got out.

Was on a board with 7 men. We solidified our positions on the phone at the office with each other in 2 minute phone conversations, then voted at the meeting which lasted less than a half hour, and went to dinner.


34 posted on 01/06/2014 8:08:49 AM PST by Chickensoup (we didn't love freedom enough... Solzhenitsyn.)
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To: Jeff Chandler

On my fourth birthday I got a green helmet, canteen, and cap grenade.

_______________

My brother did too.


35 posted on 01/06/2014 8:10:23 AM PST by Chickensoup (we didn't love freedom enough... Solzhenitsyn.)
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To: Jeff Chandler

Back in the day, during the early Reagan build-up, we flew over 30-straight days of T-37 student sorties. Del Rio, TX, over 100 degrees every day for over a month, with ramp temps reaching 120 degrees. . .every day.

Wing safety called everyone together and announced that if we felt tired or worn down, we can simply walk up to the scheduling board and pull our name off the board.

Right. . . .

Not a one of us did this as we knew that would only mean your fellow instructors would have to fly your sortie to make up for your weakness.

We worked hard, flew hard, focused on the mission. We did our job.


36 posted on 01/06/2014 8:14:03 AM PST by Hulka
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To: xzins
No kidding?


37 posted on 01/06/2014 8:14:41 AM PST by FXRP
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To: FXRP

38 posted on 01/06/2014 8:20:40 AM PST by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins

What would the school day look like? Lots of recess. Different classroom settings, not just one style that is sedentary, competition-free, and risk-averse.

Barf. This is horrid. A friend of mine went to “Key School” in Annapolis Maryland which is similar to the above. He cannot hold down a job because of the inability to do as he pleases at the work place. No lie.


39 posted on 01/06/2014 8:27:55 AM PST by napscoordinator ( Santorum-Bachmann 2016 for the future of the country!)
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To: xzins

I remember all you have related....good times...good times. And big shock... not only did we survive childhood without kneepads, helmets, safetybelts and supervised play dates...we thrived. :-)


40 posted on 01/06/2014 8:32:27 AM PST by Conservative4Ever (Happy New Year 2014)
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To: napscoordinator

In the 50’s and 60’s our schools were full of recess, activity, and competition. Boys thrived.


41 posted on 01/06/2014 8:32:39 AM PST by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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"four square"

Boy, that sure brings back memories. That game was a common game that we boys played with relish. I wonder if any schools still play it.

Other games included splitting up fifty boys or more and playing a crude game of kickball. The goal was the school playground fence. The rules were: there were no rules.... except whatever side kicked it into the fence won. There were other roughhouse games, but my memory is getting dimmer.

42 posted on 01/06/2014 8:32:49 AM PST by driftless2
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To: xzins
When I lecture on Sex and Gender, I warn my students that the slide I'm about to present is one of the most controversial they will encounter during their college experience.

I then present a slide which states: Males and females differ biologically, cognitively, and socio-emotionally. These differences are completely normal and do not imply either superiority or inferiority.

I've been doing this for over four years and, so far, no problems.

43 posted on 01/06/2014 8:35:33 AM PST by Arm_Bears (Refuse; Resist; Rebel; Revolt!)
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To: Conservative4Ever
kneepads, helmets, safetybelts and supervised play dates

In my era, that kid above would have been laughed at. No lie.

The idea of a helmet to ride a bike or to put on a pair of skates simply wasn't part of the thinking. We'd ride our bikes into the yard, coast up the incline a bit, and jump off when they hit the grass. Bikes all over the yard, run into the house, grab a pbj and be gone again until supper.

I know my parents knew what I looked like, but I'm surprised.

44 posted on 01/06/2014 8:38:25 AM PST by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins

Stop the nonsense. Mr. Orlasky is paralleling the liberals. His solution is his own individual social engineering. He says,

“To survive in the new economy you need education beyond high school, so we should keep up with the Europeans: They’re offering in their high schools career and technical training.”

Orlasky’s solution is to mandate or push boys into technical training. Follow the European model.

When we deviate from the basic model of “learning, reading, writing, and arithmetic,” we dilute the potential end product.

In Orlasky’s world the government would be teaching aviation technical training, but the curriculum would be fixing bi-planes.


45 posted on 01/06/2014 8:51:36 AM PST by Richard Bowers (right wing social engineering)
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We’ve had technical schools for longer than Orlasky’s been writing. Like our other schools, they do an average job. Too often they train kids in dead end jobs. By the time they buy any new technology and have teachers able to teach it, that technology has been superceded.

There are old standbys that strike me as good for quite a while. Mechanical, plumbing, heat/cooling, construction, hair, auto/truck, and the like will be significant for some time.

Better to be teaching each of those new job aspirants that they real money will always be in owning and succeeding at their own business in their field.


46 posted on 01/06/2014 9:38:30 AM PST by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: Hulka
we flew over 30-straight days of T-37 student sorties

A lot of Tweet sorties out at Willie back then, too. I worked the motor pool for a while for a contractor.

47 posted on 01/06/2014 9:55:21 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (Obamacare: You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.)
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To: xzins

Boys are naturally violent, born with a gun between their legs.


48 posted on 01/06/2014 10:49:42 AM PST by not2be4gotten.com
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To: Richard Bowers

When I was in HS the boys were required to take wood or metal shop, and the girls home economics. There were some who took both, but then that was elective only, and not counted toward the graduation requirement. I always thought HomeEc would have been valuable. But at least my wife taught me how to cook.

Where are my recipes? “Yum, yum. Eat um up!”


49 posted on 01/06/2014 12:37:11 PM PST by onedoug
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...
> You wrote last year about your granddaughter receiving a toy train, placing it in a baby carriage, and covering it with a blanket so it could get some sleep. What does that tell you? That boys and girls are different. There are exceptions, but as a rule a little girl’s choice of play, at the earliest age, involves a lot of theatrical, imaginative, turn-taking games... Boys prefer ... Rough-and-tumble play: a lot of running around, mock fighting, usually with sound effects, and the boys tend to be very happy—but many parents and teachers have confused such play with violence. Thanks xzins.
50 posted on 01/06/2014 5:07:07 PM PST by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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