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Premarital Sex 'Immoral', No Religion Permits It: Court
Times of India ^ | Jan 5, 2014

Posted on 01/06/2014 1:09:13 PM PST by nickcarraway

Premarital sex is "immoral" and against the "tenets of every religion", a Delhi court has said while holding that every act of sexual intercourse between two adults on the promise of marriage does not become rape.

Additional sessions judge Virender Bhat also held that a woman, especially grown up, educated and office-going, who has sexual intercourse on the assurance of marriage does so "at her own peril".

"In my opinion, every act of sexual intercourse between two adults on the assurance of promise of marriage does not become rape, if the assurance or promise is not fulfilled later on by the boy," the judge said.

"When a grown up, educated and office-going woman subjects herself to sexual intercourse with a friend or colleague on the latter's promise that he would marry her, she does so at her own peril. She must be taken to understand the consequences of her act and must know that there is no guarantee that the boy would fulfil his promise.

"He may or may not do so. She must understand that she is engaging in an act which not only is immoral but also against the tenets of every religion. No religion in the world allows premarital sex," the court said while acquitting an employee of a multinational company of the charges of rape.

The 29-year-old man, a resident of Punjab, was arrested when a woman, doing a secretarial and administrative job at a private company in Delhi, lodged a complaint of rape against him in May 2011.

In her complaint, the woman had alleged that the man, whom she had met through a chat website in July 2006, used to have physical relations with her on several occasions by promising to marry her.


TOPICS: Health/Medicine; Local News; Religion
KEYWORDS: fornication; india; premaritalsex

1 posted on 01/06/2014 1:09:13 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

This is worded in a weird way. Can someone lay it out?


2 posted on 01/06/2014 1:13:51 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: nickcarraway

Premarital Sex ‘Immoral’, No Religion Permits It:
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We4ll that’s not quite right..

Theres Mormonism for one...

the founder of Mormonism, Joseph Smith, had lots of pre-marital sex


3 posted on 01/06/2014 1:17:00 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: nickcarraway

“your stealin the pooty” Jerry Mcguire


4 posted on 01/06/2014 1:18:34 PM PST by showme_the_Glory (ILLEGAL: prohibited by law. ALIEN: Owing political allegiance to another country or government)
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To: Viennacon

“Consensual sex based on false promises is not rape.”

Man told woman he’d marry her. She had sex with him. Then he said he wouldn’t marry her. She said it was rape, because he lied. Judge said lying isn’t the same as force or threats. She should have known better and not been so stupid.

This is the theme of an array of folk ballads in English, and probably in India, too!


5 posted on 01/06/2014 1:18:39 PM PST by Tax-chick (The superpowers ascribed to "feminists" make me wish I was one.)
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To: nickcarraway

Atheism permits it.

Japanese culture (informed by Shinto and Zen Buddhism) permits it.
Roman paganism permits it.

What is wrong is a lie, but one’s feelings can change from day to day or even minute to minute.

I recommend my daughter wait until married.


6 posted on 01/06/2014 1:19:06 PM PST by donmeaker (A man can go anywhere on earth, and where man can go, he can drag a cannon.)
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To: Tax-chick

Ah, well good ruling then


7 posted on 01/06/2014 1:22:50 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: nickcarraway; AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ...

> “In my opinion, every act of sexual intercourse between two adults on the assurance of promise of marriage does not become rape, if the assurance or promise is not fulfilled later on by the boy,” the judge said.

Marriage doesn’t guarantee post-marital sex, either, so there!


8 posted on 01/06/2014 1:26:00 PM PST by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: Viennacon

Yes, I agree.


9 posted on 01/06/2014 1:32:11 PM PST by Tax-chick (The superpowers ascribed to "feminists" make me wish I was one.)
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To: Tax-chick
Mayhaps, this is one of the English poems you mentioned:

Aye, beshrew you, by my fay,
These wanton clerks be nice alway,
Avaunt, avaunt, my popagay!
"What, will ye do nothing but play?"
Tilly vally straw, let be I say!
Gup, Christian Clout, gup, Jack of the Vale!
With Mannerly Margery milk and Ale.

"By God, ye be a pretty pode,
And I love you an whole cartload."
Straw, James Foder, ye play the fode,
I am no hackney for your rod:
Go watch a bull, your back is broad!
Gup, Christian Clout, gup, Jack of the Vale! With Mannerly Margery milk and ale.

Ywis ye deal uncourteously;
What, would ye frumple me? now fie!
"What, and ye shall not be my pigsny?"
By Christ, ye shall not, no hardily: I will not be japed bodily!
Gup, Christian Clout, gup, Jack of the Vale! With Mannerly Margery milk and ale.

"Walk forth your way, ye cost me naught;
Now have I found that I have sought:
The best cheap flesh that ever I bought."
Yet, for his love that hath all wrought,
Wed me, or else I die for thought.
Gup, Christian Clout, your breath is stale!
With Mannerly Margery milk and ale!
Gup, Christian Clout, gup, Jack of the Vale! With Mannerly Margery milk and ale.

10 posted on 01/06/2014 1:34:03 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: Tax-chick

There was a law against falsely promising marriage for sex. It was called seduction. There is a mug shot of Frank Sinatra from 1938 when he was arrested for seduction in New Jersey. I think it’s still on the books as a crime in California, though not enforced.


11 posted on 01/06/2014 1:40:04 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: Viennacon; Tax-chick

I doubt this happens as much here anywhere, but would it be so terrible to punish a man who obtained intercourse through false promise?


12 posted on 01/06/2014 1:42:40 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

I’m getting a pretty good idea of what my fall-back country will be.


13 posted on 01/06/2014 1:46:03 PM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: nickcarraway

Yes, but not on rape charges. That’s ridiculous, and the judge was right to say that if you wish to avoid the issue, wait until marriage.


14 posted on 01/06/2014 1:46:44 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: nickcarraway

My religion permits it....


15 posted on 01/06/2014 1:48:43 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Viennacon

I’m confused too.

But, clearly it’s not forcible physical rape, or “rape rape” per Whoopi Goldberg criteria. She voluntarily allowed the acts to occur.

Apparently there was some aspect of law under which a man using false pretenses to get what he wanted was invoked???


16 posted on 01/06/2014 1:49:07 PM PST by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Vendome

Bit does it require it? That’s the question.


17 posted on 01/06/2014 1:58:19 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway; Viennacon

I agree. Perhaps a civil matter, with a fine, “breach of promise.” Not rape.


18 posted on 01/06/2014 2:09:04 PM PST by Tax-chick (The superpowers ascribed to "feminists" make me wish I was one.)
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To: nickcarraway

Well yeah. I’m not married so I worship in the Cognac and Scotch Rite faiths.


19 posted on 01/06/2014 2:12:02 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: SunkenCiv
Marriage doesn’t guarantee post-marital sex, either, so there!

Since no one knows the future, you are technically correct. However, the principal is that the commitment to marry is a commitment to provide sex to one’s spouse for life.

20 posted on 01/06/2014 2:17:39 PM PST by hecticskeptic
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To: Dilbert San Diego

Under common law, rape was sexual intercourse without consent, obtained by force or fraud.

An example of the fraud, I think, was Santa Ana’s idea of carting a defrocked priest to “marry” him each evening to the young lady he picked out of the crowd. She was raped by fraud.

In the old days in England and America, breach of promise suits for marriage were quite common. I don’t know of any case where it was claimed that such a fraud constituted rape.


21 posted on 01/06/2014 2:18:16 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: nickcarraway

Along with punishing her for cheating on a future husband?


22 posted on 01/06/2014 2:39:12 PM PST by fuzzylogic (welfare state = sharing consequences of poor moral choices among everybody)
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To: nickcarraway
Premarital sex is "immoral" and against the "tenets of every religion", a Delhi court has said….

I think that on technical grounds, this statement is flawed and although this will get much disagreement, I even mean this from a Christian perspective. What is ‘premarital sex’? On simple terms, it would seem that this is ‘sex before marriage’… but that implies that the exact point in time when the marriage starts is known, right? So when does that happen? Is it is as soon as the ink is dry on a marriage certificate? That reduces marriage to being official based only on what a piece of paper says. Is it as soon as the wedding festivities are over? If this is against the ‘tenets of every religion’, what does the Bible say? Mar 10:8 and 9 says this…. “And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.” And in 1 Corinthians 6:16, you will find this thought provoking statement…. “What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.” Scripture does not tie the point in time when marriage starts to the wedding… it ties it to the point in time when the couple has sex for the first time. In other words, ‘premarital sex’ is an oxymoron….as soon as sex happens, the couple is married. That should give everyone pause for thought as they contemplate the number of wives and husbands they have that they never considered before….

23 posted on 01/06/2014 2:49:23 PM PST by hecticskeptic
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To: hecticskeptic

Great. Let’s obfuscate and give what has already become all too common - and immoral, as the judge said - complete legitimacy. Rationalize screwing around.

Notice how our republic has gone downhill in perfect timing with sexual morality going downhill (about equivalent to “The Pill”). But no one, not even “conservatives”, wants to acknowledge that. They decided it’s too much fun for them.

If it helps, “extramarital” is the term to use. All sex outside a marriage is immoral, period, and is so for a reason.


24 posted on 01/06/2014 3:09:58 PM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: hecticskeptic
Wow, tough room. 'Cuddle Hormone' Nose Spray Tests Monogamy (although researchers had quite a time finding couples who engage in nasal sex).
25 posted on 01/06/2014 3:36:52 PM PST by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: the OlLine Rebel
If it helps, “extramarital” is the term to use. All sex outside a marriage is immoral, period, and is so for a reason.

Certainly no obfuscation on my part… what I was essentially saying was that where you end up at is all dependent on what is defined as the basis…. And God’s ‘basis’ is a lot tougher than what ‘we’ have defined as the basis of acceptability. There is absolutely no need to provide a definition of what is moral and what is immoral…. The Bible makes it crystal clear what is what. The problem is mankind and how they have defined morality which basically is that if two consenting adults want to have sex, that’s their own business. God’s view would appear to be that ‘two have become one’ at that very instance (became married in His eyes) and that is irrespective of whether one or both of the parties have been married (i.e. had sex) previously. And by the way, there is a reason why the 10 Commandments contain the sin of adultery’ in the list while what is referred to as ‘premarital sex’ is not included.

26 posted on 01/06/2014 7:00:20 PM PST by hecticskeptic
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