Skip to comments.Microsoft’s Windows 8 and 8.1 Gained Ground, And Overall Sales Forecast Looks Good
Posted on 01/07/2014 7:50:09 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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Windows 8 continues to SUCK even with 8.1 upgrade. I see NO significant improvement other than a version number change.
Way to go Microsoft, you have succeeded in alienating even more of your base.
RE: Way to go Microsoft, you have succeeded in alienating even more of your base.
Then why is Windows 8.1 gaining ground as per this article?
I disagree. I didn’t go to 8 right away, but just moved to 8.1 from 7 and I’m loving it. I know there are plenty of problems with the deploy of 8.1 that the common non-techy will not enjoy. Once you get there and configure it to your liking this system is just as good as Win 7 and blows XP out of the water.
I run a home built machine (as I have for 15+ years) with a Intel i7, 16gb, 240gb SSD, two 512gb RAID 0, discrete graphics and audio. The only incompatibility I had was with an Intel driver.
They added a FAKE start button to Windows 8.1 so that they could say that they put the start button back. But the fake start button is missing just one little thing... the start menu.
Microsoft is putting a stick in the eye of serious desktop users.
Why do you need a Start Button? Just start typing the program name you want... Or is using a mouse to point click, point click better for you?
I like it too.
Meh. I’ve been a sysadmin for 14+ years and I have no issue with 8 or 8.1. You just need to spend a bit of time setting up the start page and then it’s actually faster than the old menu.
Yay Linux! I’ve turned on some of my family elders to Ubuntu. I built my M-I-L an Ubuntu desktop and she absolutely loves it. My grandfather is in the same boat, and he was completely entrenched with XP until he had some serious system issues.
Seriously, people, if you’re still using XP, you NEED to upgrade. You WILL be affected at some point soon. Win7 is an amazing OS and no prone to the BS of Win8. You can still buy Win7 OEM licenses for $99. But then, Ubuntu is free.
That's exactly the problem, no one wants to learn. Except the *ix fellas who demand you learn a whole new O/S...
Win 8 (or 8.1) is a horrible version. It’s opaque, frustrating and not good at all for business users. They wanted the interface to be similar to the Windows phone (touchscreen), wanted to drive everything to the cloud, and completely dumped the business users are who doing more than social media but actually want easily accessible programs that work all the time. MS is also trying to drive Office Suite users to its cloud-based Office 365.
In a lot of ways, MS jumped the gun. I don’t think people are demanding total cloud-based services quite yet, and making everything cloud based at a time when many areas still do not even have stable or sufficient internet service or bandwidth for users to be able to connect reliably or steadily is a mistake. Also, doing away with things in their Office Suite that are still essential for most users (such as the ability of Outlook to get POP based e-mail, something it can no longer do even though the majority of e-mail in this country goes through ISPs that use a POP3 system) is a big mistake. This is particularly true since the users of Windows 8 are generally working at a desktop or a large laptop, using big complex programs, and are not the unemployed Pajama Boy sitting around using a phone or tablet to text his friends about Obamacare in between sending out the occasional selfie.
So MS is now suggesting complicated work-arounds or additional non-MS add-ins that can restore some very basic functionality (the start button, for example), and generally floundering.
It’s a pity. Windows 7 was good, stable, if not very fast, and they shouldn’t have tried to make such a radical change, especially to technologies that are less than developed.
Gone are the days when Microsoft can bully OS competitors out of the market. Linux gaining ground, Chrome will continue with incremental improvements, and Steam is pushing a linux gaming platform.
Home computing will revert to the ‘thin client’ model.
>>Why do you need a Start Button?
That seems to be Microsoft’s attitude in a nutshell.
“We don’t care if you want it. And while you’re wasting your breath explaining to us why you think you need it, that’ll give us time to work on changing your mind to the new thinkspeak method.”
I don’t need a start button. button<>menu
As someone who has a Nokia Lumia 1520 Windows Smartphone and Microsoft Surface Pro Tablet-PC, I love Windows 8 and 8.1.
I can do things with my tablet nobody can do with an iPad or Android tablet. I run all my PC software I want. I use One Note to write notes, share files and do far, far more than anyone else.
Windows 8 is a lighter OS that is more stable, boots up faster and gives you the best of all worlds.
The only reason to oppose Windows 8 is to resist learning something new.
Well... I’ve been one for 24 years and I find a touch screen OS on a desktop to be horribly inefficient. And I have no interest in social media, or logging into Microsoft’s servers, or purchasing things from their store.
I’ve now installed Zorin OS on two client’s laptops and they’re very happy with it. Zorin isn’t going to take over the world, but the point is this.... Zorin has a “Look Changer.” The Look Changer lets you change your desktop to look and act like either Windows 7, XP, Vista, Ubuntu Unity, Mac OS X or GNOME 2. They wish to give the customer what the customer wants, which is the type of business that I choose to give my business. I am losing my loyalty to Microsoft in the same way as I have lost my loyalty to the Feds.
I agree with you. I’ve had a w8.1 system for a month. I replaced a 10 year old xp laptop. It takes a little while to learn all the features of the Metro GUI. I.E. you can put shortcuts to desktop programs on the start page.
The only confusing thing for me was there are three ways to play audio. Media player on the start page and the desktop and a Music app on the start page. The Music app is set to be the default player and is tied in to X Box. I was ripping some Christmas CDs and had no idea about the Music App.
Win 8 is Win 7 with improvements that is designed for TOUCH technology. As more tablets come into the market as well as touch tech PCs and laptops win 8 will make further gains. MS did the same thing with Vista which was made for processors that were not yet in widespread use when the OS was released. As a power user at home and at work, I never had any issues with Vista, Win 7 and so far none with Win 8.
“Why do you need a Start Button?”
In business, it’s bad practice to ask your customers “why do you need this feature?”, when all you really need to ask is “do you want this feature?”
“Home computing will revert to the thin client model.”
I’ll believe it when I see it.
Windows 8 is forced on every computer you see at the store. If people had a choice then Windows 8 would be gone from the market.
I find a touch screen OS on a desktop to be horribly inefficient
The most annoying thing to me: "There's a piece of lint on the screen. Crap! Now the computer's gone and done something!"
:) Reminds me of the transition from using DOS to using Windows Explorer for file management. Click/swipe/whoops... where did it go? When you're walking a neophyte through something on the phone, at the DOS prompt it was easy enough to instruct someone how to do something.
I personally think that every school kid should spend their first year on a computer at the DOS/CMD prompt. It leads to a much greater understanding of the file system.
Where else do the old, but satisfied and content XP users go?
While it's in Microsoft's interest to help them make the jump, the easiest forced "solution" to this Microsoft generated problem is to buy Win 8 or 8.1.
Or do they try the older Win 7 Pro? Or bail on Microsoft altogether?
I'd like to see if/how those numbers are changing before calling Win 8 a success. Otherwise, it's sorta like voting republican these days because there's no place else to go.
RE: I’d like to see if/how those numbers are changing before calling Win 8 a success. Otherwise, it’s sorta like voting republican these days because there’s no place else to go.
Well, shouldn’t the same argument apply to LINUX too?
Windows 7 is serving me well on both my laptop and desktop.I think I’ll skip 8,just as I skipped Vista and ME.
RE: If people had a choice then Windows 8 would be gone from the market.
But they DO have a choice. They can go LINUX or the Apply OS.
TYPO, I meant the APPLE OS.
I will keep XP but not for online usage. That will be done via a VM running Linux Mint. XP will be for utility use only. So far it has worked great.
My outlook 2003 runs fine in POP in Windows 8.1
Got a Win 8 desktop machine on sale, with a coupon for $199.
Free upgrade to 8.1 went just fine.
Right out of the box, you can click the Desktop tab and get to a familiar screen that looks just like Win 7. Except for the awful ugly opaque light blue theme, it works just fine.
The reason Win 8 is catching up is because, in reality, it’s the only Windows you can get on a new machine.
Windows 8.x has not, and never will be, adopted by the enterprise and small and medium businesses. The only reason it has sold at all is because it has been foisted on a hapless and ignorant public by big-box retailers beholden to Microsoft.
The primary offerings of business class PCs from Dell, HP, Panasonic and Lenovo still offer Windows 7 Pro as the default OS option. Windows 8.x consumer PC sales for Dell were so abysmal that Dell was forced to re-offer Windows 7 on most of their consumer models.
Windows 8.x has still not achieved the penetration at this same time period as Vista did at its equivalent release point, Vista being one of the worst operating systems (until Windows 8.x) ever released by Microsoft
Windows 8.x has been a significant factor in the plummeting of PC sales since its release, and because of the monumental disaster of Windows 8.x for all PC vendors, they are currently desperately searching for alternatives to Microsoft products (such as dual-boot Android/Windows 8.x devices), having lost faith in both Microsoft’s management and Microsoft’s products.
Windows 8 sucked the life out of my computer.
"Chaitanya Sareen, principal program manager at Microsoft, told U.K. computer publication PC Pro that data indicated a decrease in the use of the Start button. Citing "telemetry" obtained by the Microsoft Customer Experience Improvement Program, Sareen said the company found more users relying on the Windows taskbar for pinning and accessing their favorite software instead of going through the Start menu." Source: Why Microsoft murdered the Start button in Windows 8.
I realize that I can still "Pin" all my favorite programs to the Metro GUI and then click the little down arrow on the bottom left to access all my other programs through the "Start" menu - or even easier I can just type Notepad and hit enter...
There is no difference in Business vs Home use when it comes to the new Metro GUI. It's a "I can't handle change" problem... Believe me, I rolled out Win 7 to a large segment of our 40k+ employee company and the wailing was over-the-top at first, but once they touched it everyone wanted it. Now all the other business segments are using political connections to be next in line. Yes, the move to Win 8 will be just like the move to Win 7, just like the move from Win 2k to Win XP was.
Classic Shell is free and will do the same for Windows 8, except for the Linux and Mac looks.
Or you can do as suggested and setup 8 to look and act very similar to 7. Microsoft changed the Start Button to the Start Screen, because their testing found that fewer and fewer people were using the Start Button. Most of them used the Taskbar instead.
I sold UNIX based products since the early 80s but even I have come to accept microsoft as the dominating force in PCs and moving into all things portable.
Works for me.
I have no real theory to argue for beyond "people make the easiest/simplest choice whenever possible" but confess to not liking Win 8 or being forced to make a change, even if/especially if it's for my own good.
Whether Microsoft discontinues support or their old machine dies, sooner or later the average consumer will see no other choice than to go to their favorite retailer and buy a functioning machine with a warranty, preloaded with the latest and greatest OS.
Once the old Win 7 machines were gone, sales for Win 8 goes up a bit more. The only other somewhat easy choice for a quick switch is buy or build a Win 7 machine.
That was my solution. I tried but didn't like Win 8 and haven't tried Win 8.1. My own personal reasons for my Win h8 might now be moot with the new and improved 8.1, but I don't know.
I only went as far as Win 7 from XP and will wait here for the next one.
Bullshit! It will be adopted, after they recover from having to deploy Win 7 and can justify the cap/nix to run multi-million dollar projects. That doesn't happen overnight and will not be seen in stats about Win 8 usage for years.
"Windows 8.x has been a significant factor in the plummeting of PC sales since its release,"
Not true, the biggest driver of lack of sales of PCs is tablets, smartphones, cheap price ($39 at rollout) and compatibility of this OS with older hardware (you don't need a new PC like you would for Win 7).
"Last week, Gartner issued a report titled "Windows 8.1 Could Become What Windows 8 Should Have Been," which concluded that Windows 8.1 will fix many of the problems with the troubled operating system."
... "Most importantly, it recommends that any business that was only considering Windows 8 for touch devices, should also look at Windows 8.1 "for broader deployment," in other words, on traditional PCs as well."
"and traditional computers -- will decline only slightly over that time, because of an uptake in Windows-based smartphones, tablets, and ultraportables."
Yes... it's all about ME now. I don't think you actually have concern over me and my supposed "anger." I think you just want to sell Win 8 and make it look less laughable.
And it is quite clear that the claimed "telemetry" that the "Microsoft Customer Experience Improvement Program" received showing that people weren't using the start button was horse puckey, based on the bashing they have received from all directions.
I have been installing MS products since before DOS 5, and I don't know of a single person who recommends to clients that they join the Customer Experience Improvement (ahem - spy on you) Program. So if they really did get this telemetry, perhaps it was from a "special" class of users. The kind who didn't know any better than to say no.
I want what I want because it's what I want for my own reasons. They question of "why" should not enter into the minds of the people who want my money. Every Windows 8 computer that is under my control has Classic Shell installed. And over 2000 people per day download it from SourceForge, which isn't even the primary source.
How many people immediately installed CLASSIC SHELL?
If it wasn’t for that, I would go insane at work. Don’t ever leave me alone in a room with a MS UI designer, because only one of us will leave upright.
When your only arguments for something are “It’s the newest thing”, “You can’t handle change” or “you just to dumb to understand” you know you have a dud.
See Soccer, Presta Valves, Obama, 2001: A Space Odyssey, for other examples
No choice, if you need a computer, that is what you get.
I have shut down Metro on my computer but the stupid side menu pops up when I move the mouse. Drives me crazy.
Right click on the start button works for me.
I’m still mad they did away with 3.1’s file manager.
I went straight from XP to 8.1 and assumed that I would be using classic shell, but by the time I tried it, I was already seeing the benefits of 8.1, once I had googled the tweaks I wanted. I never used the shell.
I boot straight to desktop, use the start page for all my programs that I used to use as desktop icons, and like it once I customized it.
RE: Im still mad they did away with 3.1s file manager.
VIDEO: Get organized with FILE EXPLORER in Windows 8.1
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