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Self | January 7, 2014 | madison10

Posted on 01/07/2014 2:51:42 PM PST by madison10

...but it's so blastedly COLD, WINDY and SNOWY. My furnace has not stopped running for two days straight. Wow, is that gonna cost us.

BRRRRRRRRRRRRR. The dog walked about 50 feet from the house turned around to come back and collapsed 6 feet from the house. I went out to carry him in, his poor feet wouldn't move any more.


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1 posted on 01/07/2014 2:51:42 PM PST by madison10
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To: madison10

Its cold here in San Antonio too. 44 degrees.

Oh well. Should be close to 70 later this week.

/snark


2 posted on 01/07/2014 2:53:53 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: cripplecreek

Can’t even leave bottles of beer out in the snow without worrying about them freezing. It’s brutal out there.


3 posted on 01/07/2014 2:53:55 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: madison10

I felt good today...live a little east of Lake Michigan and we were the warmest spot around! Got up to 8 today I think because of the lake....of course the tradeoff was the lake effect snow!


4 posted on 01/07/2014 2:57:43 PM PST by DouglasKC
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To: madison10; cripplecreek

My employer processes natural gas from the Permian Basin.

Prices are starting to climb but...
is still the most economical of the energy choices you have.

Call Consumers and/or DTE and thank them for having a process that hedges natgas into the the underground storage around Big Rapids and even Eaton Rapids.

MichCon, SEMCO, ANR and GLG may be making lots of money but, you folks have it better than most other areas. Thank your lucky stars.


5 posted on 01/07/2014 2:58:01 PM PST by Cletus.D.Yokel (Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alterations: The acronym defines the science.)
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To: madison10

I feel your pain. It got down to 2 degrees last night with a windchill of -20. Couldn’t make it past 18 today.

We’ve got gas logs, but using them for too long makes the heat pump cycle off and the back of the house too cold.


6 posted on 01/07/2014 2:59:00 PM PST by CatherineofAragon ((Support Christian white males----the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization.))
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To: madison10

The high up here in Yooperland has been ranging from -4 to -17 and the low from - 20 to -30. Saturday was snow, and 22 to 29 degrees if it was not cleaned off on Saturday it was frozen on Sunday. the poor dog freezes her paws right away, so I ordered boots for the dog. Seen a lot cars in the ditch or broken down during this cold spell. I even received a recorded call telling me school was closed because of the weather and I do not have any children. Yes it is cold! Some of my neighbors have been here all their lives and they cannot remember it being so cold. But ice fishing is great. february is supposed to be our cold month. What will the temps be then!


7 posted on 01/07/2014 3:04:19 PM PST by hondact200 (Candor dat viribos alas (sincerity gives wings to strength) and Nil desperandum (never despair))
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To: Springman; cyclotic; netmilsmom; RatsDawg; PGalt; FreedomHammer; queenkathy; madison10; ...
I had to rescue my pooch last night too. He managed to get to the gate before he realized how cold it was and he didn't want to come back through the snowdrift so I had to wade through it myself and carry him back.

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8 posted on 01/07/2014 3:13:00 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: 1rudeboy

Hate when my beer freezes in the snow!


9 posted on 01/07/2014 3:14:17 PM PST by petercooper ("I was for letting people keep their health insurance, before I wasn't". --- Barack Obama)
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To: madison10

At least you are used to the cold! Try Arkansas at 12 degrees. We are used to maybe high 20’s & 30’s NOT 12!

“Lows on Monday night are expected to fall to near zero in the north, and from 10 to 15 degrees central and south. Tuesday morning wind chills will range from zero to 10 degrees in the southern half of the state, to zero to -10 in the north half.”

The last time it was this cold was in 1938 if records I have found are correct because I wasn’t born yet!


10 posted on 01/07/2014 3:14:52 PM PST by kcvl
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To: CatherineofAragon

We broke a record last night with around -22 actual temperature.


11 posted on 01/07/2014 3:15:28 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: hondact200

Joe Bastardi is warning that there may be another break in the polar vortex in February bringing even colder weather.


12 posted on 01/07/2014 3:17:32 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: madison10
From one Michigander to another:

I feel your pain.........literally, except it's too cold to feel anything........

:-)

13 posted on 01/07/2014 3:20:34 PM PST by Lakeshark (Mr Reid, tear down this law!)
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To: cripplecreek

5 degrees in NC this AM Think I will move to Costa Rica :)


14 posted on 01/07/2014 3:22:32 PM PST by Greg223 (tobacco)
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To: madison10

a nice elderly lady we know in Berrien Springs may need transport to her doctors at Bronson Hospital in Kzoo soon, can this be done with the weather the way it is? we are quite concerned.. what do you do about getting people to necessary medical appointments under these conditions? can cars drive on the roads, or? thanks for any info


15 posted on 01/07/2014 3:22:33 PM PST by faithhopecharity (no)
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To: madison10
In Western New York, when the temperature drops below zero, the air is always dead calm. Last night we went to -11 with 25 mph wind. Pipes froze, one burst this morning, plumber richer.

But on the other hand, we got about an inch of snow in my town. 20 miles north, in and around Buffalo, they've got 3 feet -- AND the below-zero temps and 25 mph winds.

Pretty happy I don't commute into that mess anymore.

16 posted on 01/07/2014 3:23:18 PM PST by BfloGuy ( Even the opponents of Socialism are dominated by socialist ideas.)
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To: cripplecreek
Joe Bastardi is warning that there may be another break in the polar vortex in February bringing even colder weather.

Negative waves, negative waves.......

:-)

17 posted on 01/07/2014 3:23:51 PM PST by Lakeshark (Mr Reid, tear down this law!)
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To: madison10

But it’s a Water Winter Wonderland!


18 posted on 01/07/2014 3:34:24 PM PST by FrdmLvr ("WE ARE ALL OSAMA, 0BAMA!" al-Qaeda terrorists who breached the American compound in Benghazi)
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To: faithhopecharity

It depends on how close the pick up point would be to main roads. Check the newspaper online that is local to the area and get updates from that. Our county (opposite side of state from Berrien County) is telling us to stay off the roads until at least 7 am tomorrow. Truth be told the doctors offices/hospital may not even be open for regular appointments.

She HAS to have someone with her. Check senior organizations for ideas. Several elderly have died in our area even though they were very close to home.

Thursday and Friday should be fine. Believe it or not it’s supposed to get up to 40 by Saturday.


19 posted on 01/07/2014 3:36:32 PM PST by madison10
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To: madison10
Poor dog. My son had a new furnace w/ac put in for me in 2006. It is higher efficiency and never runs as warm as my old furnaces did.

I've never been cold before but my furnace cannot keep up and runs nonstop. I had a furnace man come in today; he turned it up as high as it will go and it's still cold. The digital thermostat I set at 77 in the daytime; and actual temp is at 71 now (an improvement) but it will get cold tonight, not as bad.

Part of the house is insulated; I have storms on most windows but a few not. It doesn't get weatherized and caulked the way it should. I stuff plastic bags and newspaper to get the worst drafty spots. I don't care how it looks.

I asked the furnace guy if maybe my house is old and drafty and the furnace doesn't have enough BTU's (I meant capacity). He said his was a little higher and maybe I should get one of those little cool space heaters.

It is a lot colder in an added on north room with windows on 3 sides where I have my computer. I've had a sweatshirt and winter coat on all day. Never before. Even when we had 18 below for days in 1979.

The furnace is in too good condition to put in a better one and he said I'd need some extra ductwork.

I'm hoping when temps get in the higher teens and up, the house will retain heat better. Normally I set it at 77 in the day and it always climbs to 76, turn it down to 71 at night.

I have a fireplace and saved a little firewood but am afraid to use it since I've been alone plus chimney needs cleaning and checking. I used to love going to sleep on the couch with a fire going in the fireplace.

Gotta tend my rice pudding. It feels good when I open the oven ;-)

20 posted on 01/07/2014 3:36:39 PM PST by Aliska
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To: hondact200

Ooo, dat’s real cold den, eh?


21 posted on 01/07/2014 3:36:49 PM PST by FrdmLvr ("WE ARE ALL OSAMA, 0BAMA!" al-Qaeda terrorists who breached the American compound in Benghazi)
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To: Responsibility2nd
Its cold here in San Antonio too. 44 degrees. Oh well. Should be close to 70 later this week

Bueno para usted! Espero que estén muy contentos cerca de México!

22 posted on 01/07/2014 3:39:58 PM PST by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: cripplecreek
Joe Bastardi is warning that there may be another break in the polar vortex in February bringing even colder weather.

Heard Joe talking with Frank Beckman on WJR yesterday morning, explaining how he and his group predict current and future winter forecasts.........Very interesting and he gave info that I had never considered before.

They base their forecasts on past conditions; specifically, polar winds, jet stream direction, atlantic and pacific water temps, other stuff, then compare those modules to what is happening today and come up with a very accurate description of we are in store for.

One observation he gave was that we are in for a very cold spring due to the below normal great lakes water temps that will affect the westerly winnds coming across the state........

23 posted on 01/07/2014 3:40:14 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (Miss Muffit suffered from arachnophobia.....)
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To: madison10
I've had to shovel a path in the backyard for our smallest dog, a rescued Italian Greyhound/Parson cross. Snow in the backyard is several inches over her head. Our biggest dog, a Newfie, has been plowing her own paths. It's hilarious to watch their different reactions. My biggest challenge with the dogs is keeping the steps free of ice and snow (we keep the steps covered with a heavy-duty shower curtain, works great).

I love Michigan, January especially, but school has been canceled again...starting to get a little stir crazy. I want to get all the Christmas trimmings put away and give the house a good cleaning but it's nearly impossible with three boys underfoot. I'm looking forward to the end of the week warm-up.

24 posted on 01/07/2014 3:46:27 PM PST by grellis (I am Jill's overwhelming sense of disgust.)
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To: Hot Tabasco

Joe is a real pro and has been pretty much dead on in his long term forecasting.

As you say he looks at historical trends and compares them to current trends and real numbers.


25 posted on 01/07/2014 3:48:07 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek
"We broke a record last night with around -22 actual temperature."

Good Lord. What kind of heating do you have, CC?

26 posted on 01/07/2014 3:49:58 PM PST by CatherineofAragon ((Support Christian white males----the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization.))
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To: BfloGuy
I had a pipe freeze in 79 and put heat tape on it. I went down the other day and plugged it in but don't know if it is still good. I've been trickling the water and turning it on hard off and on at night if I have to get up.

The pipe burst when my daughter swung on it. I was so dumb I didn't know what to do. My dad came over and shut off the water told me to get a plumber. He's been gone coming up 30 years now. I know how to turn off the water now but if I lose heat, I can open the faucets, drain the hot water heater? I don't know how you drain out everything.

A man froze to death on a rural road I'm familiar with, wouldn't get much traffic in the kind of cold at night we've been having, car went in a ditch but visible. He started walking to go for help and froze to death, only 35, very sad. They are saying people should keep things in the car and stay in it.

In Minneapolis they cancelled school for the first time in 17 years. I've been there when it's been -20. Anyway the law in effect now is you can't be out unless it's an emergency.

27 posted on 01/07/2014 3:51:35 PM PST by Aliska
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To: Aliska
Highly recommend an Eden Pure heater. It is electric and you just point it at what you want warmed up. Then drag it around, has wheels!!, to the next room you want to be warm.

Only negative....made in China.

BA

28 posted on 01/07/2014 3:53:07 PM PST by Battle Axe
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To: CatherineofAragon

I have propane and propane accessories.


29 posted on 01/07/2014 3:53:31 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: hondact200

Where in Yooper land are you? I used to live in Menominee and will be moving back there or to Gran Marias when I retire.


30 posted on 01/07/2014 3:54:39 PM PST by fatman6502002
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To: madison10

thanks for the info! much appreciated.... very much


31 posted on 01/07/2014 3:55:50 PM PST by faithhopecharity (no)
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To: cripplecreek

Yep, propane does provide some toasty heat.


32 posted on 01/07/2014 3:56:12 PM PST by CatherineofAragon ((Support Christian white males----the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization.))
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To: madison10

thanks for the info! much appreciated.... very much

(my MI friends have always teased me for never visiting in winter...... they keep telling me how much they enjoy ‘having all 4 seasons’ .... I said I will settle for just 3 of them, thank you very much!)


33 posted on 01/07/2014 3:56:36 PM PST by faithhopecharity (no)
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To: cripplecreek
I have propane and propane accessories.

So you're going to sell your soul to warm your home? My sympathies. Propane prices are so high.

34 posted on 01/07/2014 3:56:43 PM PST by madison10
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To: madison10

It was so cold today that I saw a liberal with his hands in his own pockets.


35 posted on 01/07/2014 3:57:54 PM PST by JudyinCanada
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To: Aliska
I was so dumb I didn't know what to do.

Heh. That's me!

The pipes in this house haven't frozen in 25 years. I've gotten lazy. The wind combined with the low temperatures are just something we haven't seen since the seventies.

And ditto on the school-closings and the martial-law because it's cold.

36 posted on 01/07/2014 4:01:18 PM PST by BfloGuy ( Even the opponents of Socialism are dominated by socialist ideas.)
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To: Aliska

Best piece of advice I heard was to keep candles in the car. A single candle with throw off enough heat to keep you alive.


37 posted on 01/07/2014 4:05:32 PM PST by Squawk 8888 (I'd give up chocolate but I'm no quitter)
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To: fatman6502002

Grand Marais is about as close to heaven as you’re going to get on earth.


38 posted on 01/07/2014 4:06:43 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: faithhopecharity

I used to live in MI., I would never go back in the winter.
I am freezing here in Vegas at 55.


39 posted on 01/07/2014 4:08:54 PM PST by sweetiepiezer
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To: Squawk 8888

You can make a clay pot stove for a couple bucks to maximize that candle heat.


40 posted on 01/07/2014 4:10:01 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Battle Axe
I don't care made in China. Everything is going wrong for me. I bought a high capacity battery pack to jump start my car. Well it is too heavy (18#) for me and I didn't see where you can't return them.

Somebody turned my corner from a salted snow route onto my icy corner. Even though I had my car pulled forward, she hit it. Just knocked the bumper off but where I had it taken they wouldn't fix it because of rust. The lady was nice to leave her info in my mailbox, must not have heard her knock.

The ins wanted to scrap my car but offered me about $1000 if I could find somebody to fix it (he was working from a picture the body shop sent) (I had better ones I took lol. Anyway, my regular guy fixed it and has it ready for $179.

But I have a chance to buy a much newer Honda SUV type for $3200 so am going to try it out tomorrow and take it back to the same guy to check out and pick up my car. I don't know what I'll do with 2. There are a few options. It has only about 75,000 true miles on it because I don't drive much.

That's why I need a battery pack because my battery goes down if I don't drive for a few days and I'm tired of trying to find somebody to jump it.

The battery pack I can't return to amazon (hazardous materials) was made in China, gets overall excellent reviews so I'm ordering a 9# one which should work for a smaller car.

I had a guy lined up to fix a few other things here and there in the fall but he never showed up. Luckily I did find somebody to snowblow. He fixed mine and uses that. It is blasting snow like I never saw before, a Toro X000 something. Not 2 cycle. I was going through photos of my son and found I've had it since at least 2004. It's in almost new condition, changed the paddles once. I used to run it and still could but I can't get back up my front steps, keep it in the front hall all year it's been lately because nobody to put it in the garage or basement.

I shouldn't post this much stuff. I've been feeling really anxious with all the things I have going. Thankful I have the means to deal with things but never expected to have to be spending so much all at once, need all teeth pulled too and putting it off. Need to find a leak in my plumbing and have it checked. And need to drive out of town to get a tombstone for my son's grave and also see an atty about a trust I don't like the way he set it up and will cost me to make changes. Ugh.

My biggest quandry is for a small farm and 7 grandkids, just how long will it be sustainable? I see possibly several bad scenarios down the line before say 2020 or 2025.

41 posted on 01/07/2014 4:12:21 PM PST by Aliska
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To: cripplecreek

I agree, I love that place. I just wish it were closer to Iron Mountain, the location of Timberstone, my favorite golf course of all time.


42 posted on 01/07/2014 4:12:40 PM PST by fatman6502002
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To: sweetiepiezer

the cold is a big thing, yes

i personally was also just afraid of driving on ice
(I suppose people get practice enough to do it safely?)


43 posted on 01/07/2014 4:13:24 PM PST by faithhopecharity (no)
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To: Squawk 8888
Yes I think you are right. Was it here I read about a guy in Pittsburgh or Philly who couldn't afford to heat his house? He had one larger tent over a smaller one and was warm with 2 candles?

I'm going to put some things together in the car. That would make nice gifts. Survival stuff for the car. Not too much but just a few essentials.

44 posted on 01/07/2014 4:16:54 PM PST by Aliska
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To: Aliska

Best thing to do is get a few votive candles (or regular candles in a glass jar)- there’s less risk of starting a fire.


45 posted on 01/07/2014 4:20:56 PM PST by Squawk 8888 (I'd give up chocolate but I'm no quitter)
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To: Hot Tabasco
They base their forecasts on past conditions; specifically, polar winds, jet stream direction, atlantic and pacific water temps, other stuff, then compare those modules to what is happening today and come up with a very accurate description of we are in store for.

Believe it or not, that is actually a very "old timey" way of doing it. I believe the Old Farmer's Almanack does it that way. Observations have improved over the centuries.

46 posted on 01/07/2014 4:23:54 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: Aliska

Sounds like a good way to get CO poisoning.


47 posted on 01/07/2014 4:29:45 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: Cyber Liberty
CO with candles? Or was it something else I said? I thought they might be a fire hazard.

I know not to run your car in a closed garage duh but should check for snow clogging exhaust pipe.

48 posted on 01/07/2014 4:33:48 PM PST by Aliska
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To: cripplecreek

cold here in Jenison MI. 2 degrees outside now. Still windy. Still snowing. Ice on all the roads and the salt will not melt the ice yet. PURE MICHIGAN!


49 posted on 01/07/2014 4:33:51 PM PST by Michigan Bowhunter (Patriots needed!)
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To: Michigan Bowhunter

It’s -1 here in Farmington Hills, actual temperature.


50 posted on 01/07/2014 4:40:32 PM PST by softwarecreator
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