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World's oldest photos of Far East show horrific aftermath of English.. assault on Chinese
UK Daily Mail ^ | January 8, 2014 | Mark Duell

Posted on 01/08/2014 7:18:55 AM PST by C19fan

A wonderful set of photographs taken in China and Japan which gave the Western world one of its first glimpses of the Far East is going for auction. And one particular image of Chinese corpses at North Fort in Peiho in 1860 has presented a stark reminder of the Second Opium War. The North Fort was one of several Taku Forts - strategically-placed defences in China that guarded the mouth of the Peiho River. The fort, which was located near modern-day Tianjin, was breached on August 20, 1860 and its garrison surrendered after a fierce fight.

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TOPICS: History; Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: china; imperial; opiumwar; opiumwars; unitedkingdom
From the photos one can tell the Imperial Chinese forces were seriously outgunned against the British and French with what looks like obsolete cannons.
1 posted on 01/08/2014 7:18:55 AM PST by C19fan
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To: C19fan

And don’t think the Chinese still don’t hold a grudge.


2 posted on 01/08/2014 7:19:45 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

Asians absolutely abhor Western intrusions and influence in their affairs. The Japanese rational for WWII was to rid Asia of British, French, Dutch and American rule and control. Today the Chinese are motivated by the same sentiments.


3 posted on 01/08/2014 7:27:54 AM PST by allendale
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To: C19fan

Yet another indefensible British action.

A historian friend of mine once remarked that the British upper class was the greatest group of criminals in history. A bit of an exaggeration to be sure, but he had a point.


4 posted on 01/08/2014 7:29:34 AM PST by Leaning Right (Why am I holding this lantern? I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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5 posted on 01/08/2014 7:38:29 AM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: allendale
Today the Chinese are motivated by the same sentiments.

They're buying up American land and swimming in our money. I'd say they've successfully usurped us.

6 posted on 01/08/2014 7:39:39 AM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: C19fan

Brave men who died facing the enemy. The earthworks are impressive.


7 posted on 01/08/2014 7:40:12 AM PST by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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To: Leaning Right

Yep, and not just the far east. Ask any Irish or Scot what their people have suffered at the hands of the British aristocracy.


8 posted on 01/08/2014 8:01:59 AM PST by Conservative4Ever (Happy New Year 2014)
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To: allendale

I thought the japs attacked Pearl because the US (then the saudi arabia of oil) embargoed oil to Japan.

http://militaryhistory.about.com/od/worldwarii/a/wwiipaccauses_2.htm

“In addition to military support, the US, Britain, and the Netherlands East Indies initiated oil and steel embargos against Japan in August 1941.

Moving Towards War with the US

The American oil embargo caused a crisis in Japan. Reliant on the US for 80% of its oil, the Japanese were forced to decide between withdrawaling from China, negotiating an end to the conflict, or going to war to obtain the needed resources elsewhere. In an attempt to resolve the situation, Konoe asked US President Franklin Roosevelt for a summit meeting to discuss the issues. Roosevelt replied that Japan needed to leave China before such a meeting could be held. While Konoe was seeking a diplomatic solution, the military was looking south to the Netherlands East Indies and their rich sources of oil and rubber. Believing that an attack in this region would cause the US to declare war, they began planning for such an eventuality.”


9 posted on 01/08/2014 8:23:41 AM PST by staytrue
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To: dfwgator

“And don’t think the Chinese still don’t hold a grudge.”

I think a lot of American Indians hold a grudge and maybe rightfully so.


10 posted on 01/08/2014 8:25:11 AM PST by staytrue
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To: allendale

“Asians absolutely abhor Western intrusions and influence in their affairs.”

Isn’t this generally true.

Personally I absolutely abhor Washington DC intrusions and influence in my affairs.

Frankly, (fill in the blank with the people of your choice) absolutely abhor (fill in the blank with a different people of your choice) intrusions and influence in their affairs.


11 posted on 01/08/2014 8:28:35 AM PST by staytrue
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To: Leaning Right

A historian friend of mine once remarked that the British upper class was the greatest group of criminals in history. A bit of an exaggeration to be sure, but he had a point.


Also known as leftist dogma.

In all objectivity, the Chinese were worse to whomever they could be.


12 posted on 01/08/2014 8:29:15 AM PST by ifinnegan
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To: allendale

“Asians absolutely abhor Western intrusions and influence in their affairs.”

Oh yeah. They really hated how the Soviet Russians helped them in the early 20th century. Both Communists and Nationalists took this help.

Chiang Ching-Kuo lived in Soviet Russia for a long time and married a Russian woman.


13 posted on 01/08/2014 8:34:03 AM PST by ifinnegan
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To: C19fan

war is hell after all


14 posted on 01/08/2014 8:38:34 AM PST by Nifster
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To: dfwgator

Effem


15 posted on 01/08/2014 8:41:52 AM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: C19fan

This means only one thing. There isn’t enough social justice in the world against European colonialists. The world needs more Obama. /s


16 posted on 01/08/2014 8:47:34 AM PST by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: fella

Worse still is that they died in a noble cause in that they were trying to rid their country of opium much like the US is trying to rid ourselves of cocaine. (Not that we are trying that hard-the money is good after all)


17 posted on 01/08/2014 8:54:08 AM PST by dirtymac (Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country)
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To: Conservative4Ever

We all have blood on our hands and the best thing that ever happened to much of the world was colonial rule as ugly as it was.

I am not defending all actions by the Brits but you are all parroting the public education line. Insidious and effective - bleh. Consider what would have happened if the Chinese had had the technology to invade the West at that time....


18 posted on 01/08/2014 9:03:28 AM PST by QuisCustodiet1776 (Live free or die.)
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To: ifinnegan

the funny thing is, born in 70, growing up in taiwan, i never knew about the russian wife.
didn’t find out until i’m 40 years old... watching ettv in USA.
quite surprising to me, same as when she found out he had a mistress and sons with her.


19 posted on 01/08/2014 9:08:01 AM PST by VAFreedom (maybe i should take a nap before work)
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To: VAFreedom

That’s something.

It goes to show what media can do with out overtly lying.

It’s like that here now with the selective reporting.


20 posted on 01/08/2014 9:52:00 AM PST by ifinnegan
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To: C19fan

Glad communism took over and made the Chinese lives so much better....

There are people now and in the past as thinking they deserve everything at your expense.


21 posted on 01/08/2014 11:22:01 AM PST by minnesota_bound
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To: staytrue

And we placed an embargo on Japan because of their war on China, and occupation of French territories in Asia.


22 posted on 01/08/2014 7:22:25 PM PST by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: rarestia

China has always survived and conquered by absorbing it’s enemies... they used to do it with their vast lands, now they can do it by their economic power.


23 posted on 01/08/2014 7:25:05 PM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: C19fan

Apart from the carcasses, it’s hard to distinguish between the before and after pictures. Both China and Japan appear to have been ramshackle dumps back then.


24 posted on 01/08/2014 9:15:28 PM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: QuisCustodiet1776

Actually the Chinese did have the tech and manpower during Ming dynasty, remember the treasure ship and admiral Zheng He’s voyages? But they chose not to conquer the countries they visited. A credit must be give where it is due.


25 posted on 01/09/2014 8:31:23 PM PST by capitalcrusader
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