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Maddux, Glavine, Thomas elected to Hall of Fame
AFP via Yahoo ^ | January 8, 2014

Posted on 01/08/2014 12:40:06 PM PST by EveningStar

Former Atlanta Braves star pitchers Greg Maddux and Tom Glavine and retired superstar slugger Frank Thomas were elected to the Baseball Hall of Fame in voting announced on Wednesday.

With 75 percent support from 571 votes cast by a media panel needed to ensure enshrinement, Maddux received 97.2 percent while Glavine had 91.9 percent backing and Thomas was supported by 83.7 percent.

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TOPICS: Sports
KEYWORDS: baseball; baseballhalloffame; frankthomas; glavine; gregmaddux; maddux; mlb; tomglavine

1 posted on 01/08/2014 12:40:06 PM PST by EveningStar
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To: EveningStar

Glavin was a whiney douchebag when he was with the Mets, but he does have the stats.


2 posted on 01/08/2014 12:42:31 PM PST by Clemenza (Lurking)
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To: EveningStar

Great class! With these three, plus Torre, LaRussa and Cox...what a great year for the Hall inductions.

Thomas, plus Maddux and Glavine is quite the statement, too...in particular Thomas and Maddux who are sort of the anti-steroid symbols of the otherwise tarnished era.


3 posted on 01/08/2014 12:45:49 PM PST by ilgipper (Obama is proving that very bad ideas can be wrapped up in pretty words)
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To: EveningStar; ken5050; BluesDuke
Maddux, Glavine, Thomas elected to Hall of Fame

Good choices, all. (I expect, though, that now most of the discussion will be about those who did NOT get in, rather than those who did.)

The Cubs letting Maddux go is the biggest mistake in their history, bigger than trading Lou Brock.

4 posted on 01/08/2014 12:45:50 PM PST by Charles Henrickson (Lifelong baseball fan)
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To: EveningStar
Craig Biggio, passed over again by just a few votes.


5 posted on 01/08/2014 12:49:51 PM PST by TexasCajun
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To: ilgipper

I find it amazing that these three managers didn’t know about players using steroids!


6 posted on 01/08/2014 12:51:23 PM PST by Dr. Ursus
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To: TexasCajun
Biggio played his whole career with the Astros, playing numerous positions where needed. ...a loyal, team player.

And his stats should eventually get him in, I hope.

7 posted on 01/08/2014 12:53:42 PM PST by TexasCajun
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To: TexasCajun

The ultimate compiler.


8 posted on 01/08/2014 12:57:41 PM PST by gusty
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To: EveningStar

What a time to be a baseball fan in Atlanta. How lucky am I that I got to watch all those games with Cox, Glavine, and Maddox for all those years.


9 posted on 01/08/2014 1:00:46 PM PST by vg0va3
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To: Dr. Ursus

Can’t argue with those three, but I like “all time” stat players to get in. Jeff Kent: most Home Runs and RBI’s by a second baseman. Mike Piazza: Most home runs hit by a catcher. Craig Biggio: most doubles by a right handed hitter in the history of baseball. Those should get you in.


10 posted on 01/08/2014 1:01:57 PM PST by cumbo78
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To: TexasCajun
Two votes! He definitely deserves to be there.
11 posted on 01/08/2014 1:06:50 PM PST by fhayek
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To: EveningStar

Cristy Mathewson, Walter Johnson, Dizzy Dean, Bob Gibson, Tom Seaver, Tom Glavine

Which one doesn’t quite fit??

The hall has become a joke


12 posted on 01/08/2014 1:09:13 PM PST by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: cumbo78

I think Keith Hernandez should be in as the All Time Best fielding First Baseman

Why is he not in, while Ozzy Smith is?


13 posted on 01/08/2014 1:10:41 PM PST by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: qam1

Dizzy Dean?


14 posted on 01/08/2014 1:12:58 PM PST by fhayek
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To: qam1

did Ozzy get involved with Cocaine???


15 posted on 01/08/2014 1:20:48 PM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: qam1

Mets fan, here. You’ll get no complaint from me on Hernandez. And he did win an MVP. He revolutionized how first base was played. Ask Don Mattingly.


16 posted on 01/08/2014 1:21:23 PM PST by cumbo78
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To: qam1

ps....I don’t think the HOF should do any more than use STATS to determine HOF inclusion

I would allow in Pete Rose first and foremost(with the caveat that he can not ever work in baseball) lord knows he deserves it...he was the BEST and I never was nor ever will be a REDS fan.

then some of the best of the drug users. there are many 1950s Amphetamine users who are in the HOF now. don’t think they are not. It just wasn’t an issue back then...

if they want to trade their health and longevity for a big salary and they perform better than the next guy then I would not deny them the Hall....


17 posted on 01/08/2014 1:25:30 PM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: cumbo78

Yankees fan here....I hate the Mets, but I too think Hernandez belongs in the Hall.....

I don’t like Mike Piazza as a person...but believe he too should be in the Hall. he was the best catcher of a generation.


18 posted on 01/08/2014 1:28:34 PM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: EveningStar

Not complete until Pete Rose is there.


19 posted on 01/08/2014 1:29:38 PM PST by Veggie Todd (I don't always talk to Obama voters, but when I do I ask for Large Fries.)
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To: cumbo78

ps Hernandez belongs in the HOF way before Mattingly.


20 posted on 01/08/2014 1:30:25 PM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Veggie Todd

see 17


21 posted on 01/08/2014 1:30:51 PM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: fhayek

I agree that Dizzy doesn’t fit on that list.
He only won 150 games.
I did enjoy his play by play work as an announcer. Didn’t he work with Pee Wee Reese?
Now, Maddux would not belong on the list either. He was a better pitcher than all those listed.


22 posted on 01/08/2014 1:43:19 PM PST by BIV (typical white person)
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To: gusty
The ultimate compiler.

Right behind Robin Yount.

23 posted on 01/08/2014 1:44:27 PM PST by Colonel_Flagg (Some people meet their heroes. I raised mine. Go Army.)
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To: fhayek

Admittedly Dizzy Dean wasn’t the best choice, though I would take him over Glavine.

But again try

Cristy Mathewson, Walter Johnson, Bob Feller, Sandy Koufax, Bob Gibson, Tom Seaver, Tom Glavine

Which one doesn’t fit?

Hell Glavine isn’t even up there on a list of best pitchers of his Generation

Maddux, Randy Johnson, Pedro Martinez, Roger Clemens (even without the PED), Oral Hershiser, Mariano Rivera were all more dominant than him


24 posted on 01/08/2014 1:58:20 PM PST by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: Dr. Ursus

I find it equally amazing that none of the BBWA writers knew about the steroids either. In fact 2 of the steroid users were credited with “saving baseball” during their race to 70 home runs.

But nobody knew anything.

Amazing.


25 posted on 01/08/2014 2:07:31 PM PST by perez24 (Dirty deeds, done dirt cheap.)
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To: qam1
Oral Hershiser

Orel Hershiser . . . the fifth, I believe.
26 posted on 01/08/2014 2:10:59 PM PST by Dr. Sivana (Five years, my brain hurts a lot.)
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To: vg0va3

:). Exactly what you said! Great day to be a Braves fan and to have been at the stadium during those years.


27 posted on 01/08/2014 2:12:23 PM PST by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: EveningStar

Ken Griffey Jr. ought to be coming up pretty soon if Frank Thomas was eligible. He’s another five-tool guy who was anti-steroid.


28 posted on 01/08/2014 2:13:54 PM PST by RinaseaofDs
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To: perez24

I agree. They, i.e., GMs, coaches, and Bwaaaa members, all knew or should have known about widespread PED use. Their after the fact holier than thou attitude disgusts me.


29 posted on 01/08/2014 2:23:04 PM PST by BIV (typical white person)
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To: EveningStar

Biggio didn’t make it. Just damn!


30 posted on 01/08/2014 2:27:48 PM PST by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: Veggie Todd

Not complete until Shoeless Joe is enshrined.


31 posted on 01/08/2014 2:41:32 PM PST by karnage
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To: VerySadAmerican

I think Biggio will make it next year. Probably the only inductee. But, Smoltz might make it on his first round considering both his starting and relief stats. Doubtful though.
I think it’s significant that Smoltz (as well as Glavine and Maddux) pitched in the heart of the steroid era.
And, I’ve never heard the slightest rumor, or reason to suspect, that Biggio or any of those three pitchers ever used PEDs.


32 posted on 01/08/2014 2:49:07 PM PST by BIV (typical white person)
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To: BIV

I should have included Randy Johnson with Biggio for next year HOF. He certainly deserves to be chosen in his first year of eligibility, and I believe he will be.


33 posted on 01/08/2014 3:03:19 PM PST by BIV (typical white person)
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To: EveningStar

Pure BS that the best big game pitcher of the last 40 years, by the name of Jack Morris didn’t make it on his last time on the list.


34 posted on 01/08/2014 3:59:34 PM PST by NKP_Vet ("Rather than love, than money, than fame, then give truth" ~ Henry David Thoreau)
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To: BIV

I believe Pedro Martinez is a first time candidate next year as well...


35 posted on 01/08/2014 4:05:22 PM PST by So Cal Rocket (Task 1: Accomplished, Task 2: Hold them Accountable!)
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To: BIV

IIRC Smoltz is one of only two guys with 150 wins and 150 saves. I believe he also had the most post season wins of all time until Pettitte passed him.


36 posted on 01/08/2014 4:08:29 PM PST by Pan_Yan (Who told you that you were naked? Genesis 3:11)
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To: Charles Henrickson
Heard this on a local sports talk program...

"Why the hell is Bobby Cox in the HoF? He had Glavine, Maddux, and Smoltz, and only managed to win ONE World Series."

Interesting perspective...

37 posted on 01/08/2014 10:44:14 PM PST by ken5050 (This space available cheap...)
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To: Clemenza

Most of his success came during the mile wide strike zone,when he pitched for the Mets that was no longer the case


38 posted on 01/09/2014 4:33:55 AM PST by ballplayer
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To: AuH2ORepublican; GOPsterinMA; campaignPete R-CT; hockeyfan44; darkangel82

related thread: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3109346/posts

Who would have been on your ballot Auh2? I’d have added at least Biggio and Piazza.

He of the red bat, Jacques Jones, got 1 vote. Perhaps by someone protesting the voting system? Because, really? Jacques Jones?


39 posted on 01/09/2014 4:10:18 PM PST by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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To: qam1
What about Chico Escuela?


40 posted on 01/09/2014 4:12:53 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: Impy; GOPsterinMA; campaignPete R-CT; hockeyfan44; darkangel82

If one could list 20 candidates in one’s ballot, I would have used up all 20 spots—that’s how loaded the ballot is right now.

Limiting it to 10, I would have voted for Maddux, Thomas, Piazza, Bagwell, Biggio, McGriff, Trammell, Raines, Palmeiro and Morris.

I think they’ll increase the number of candidates one may vote for to 15 next year. The 10-man limit cost the election of at least one player this year (Biggio) and certainly caused Palmeiro to be kicked off the ballot.


41 posted on 01/09/2014 4:26:04 PM PST by AuH2ORepublican (If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what ma kes you think that he'll defend your rights?)
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To: AuH2ORepublican

Who are the other 10 if you had no limit?

Would you put Clemens and Bonds in there?


42 posted on 01/09/2014 4:37:52 PM PST by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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To: Impy

Bonds, Clemens, Glavine, Mussina, Schilling, Lee Smith, McGwire, Sosa, Edgar Martinez and Larry Walker. I’d leave Kent and Mattingly (and Luis Gonzalez, Kenny Rogers and Moises Alou) off.

There probably are 10 additional guys I’d vote for had they not been stupidly held below 5% within the past 15 years. Let’s see, Whitaker, Hershiser, Cone, John Franco, Albert Belle, Bernie Williams ... OK, maybe not 10.


43 posted on 01/09/2014 6:04:45 PM PST by AuH2ORepublican (If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what ma kes you think that he'll defend your rights?)
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To: AuH2ORepublican

Most people here would probably disagree but I’d but the roids people in as well. It seems silly not to have Bonds are Clemens in there. (Not to mention Pete Rose)

Bonds was or was at least close to a HOFer before he started juicing. And wasn’t Hank Aaron popping amphetamines? Old Babe Ruth wasn’t on taking anything but booze.

What’s your opinion of that guy that gave his HOF vote to deadspin? They stripped him of his vote a couple days later.


44 posted on 01/11/2014 12:40:53 AM PST by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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To: Impy

Prior to 1999 (when Bonds’s detractors claim that Bonds started juicing, Barry Bonds already was the greatest LF of all time, ahead of Musial and Williams. He already was a slam-dunk HOFer

I think that too many writers take their responsibility too cavalierly, and that letting a website vote for you has to be punished. But a lifetime ban seems too much for a serious writer who did it as a protest against the voting process.


45 posted on 01/11/2014 6:56:55 AM PST by AuH2ORepublican (If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what ma kes you think that he'll defend your rights?)
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