Posted on 01/08/2014 7:15:19 PM PST by Morgana
There would be far fewer abortions if women only slept with men who would be willing to marry them. But, for many women, such men are not "exciting" enough.
Who do you think impregnates more ghetto girls: the McDonald's shift manager, or the hot, muscled "gangsta" who just got out of prison and is likely to be back in prison (or dead) before the year is out?
So the girl sleeps with the exciting guy, who also has enough girls interested in him that it's easier for him to dump a girl when she becomes bothersome and move on to the next.
And I wonder just how many of these abortions are by women who decided to deliberately get pregnant, in an effort to pressure the guy to come up with a ring, and who then abort when he decides she's good enough to sleep with, but not good enough to raise a family with?
Oh, but you don't understand! You're not a woman! (rolling eyes)
You can’t argue with science. There would never have been a child had he not had sex.
A man should know that he is taking the chance of a pregnancy or an abortion unless he or the woman is unable to conceive a child. In the instance of a married man, he shouldn’t have to consider this (although it still happens).
I’m not sure why you are so hostile to what I wrote.
Yeah, I know. Us men are supposed to shut up and stay out of the conversation, because we don’t have vaginas so we can’t possibly understand.
Because it's evasive and disingenuous.
The issue is abortion, not pregnancy. Women constantly conflate the two instead of admitting they are 100% responsible for each and every abortion performed in this country.
If men got to use credit cards any time they wished, but women had to prove they could make the payment before charging something, women would not be satisfied until the lenders were in jail!
I think none of this is ‘new.’
“Who do you think impregnates more ghetto girls: the McDonald’s shift manager, or the hot, muscled “gangsta” who just got out of prison and is likely to be back in prison (or dead) before the year is out?”
Why do you think these ghetto girls do this? What is missing in their life (besides God) that would cause them to do this? Yep you guess it! THEIR FATHER! If they had a father in their life they would not do this because A. they’d be at home and B. their FATHER would run the getto, gangsta likely to go to prison trash off!
So don’t tell me men don’t play a roll in all this hell yes it does! It starts with the parents and I mean MOTHER and FATHER who are legally wed!
Oh yea and this girls getto mother? Oh yea she out making more brothers and sisters just like her ghetto child. Why? Because we have witnessed the breakdown of the American family. Thank you Democrat party.
Any contrivance is acceptable except admitting the sole group that can put a stop to abortion is women.
I’m not trying to be either of those - evasive or disingenuous. Absolutely, the woman pulls the trigger when it comes to actually having an abortion. My only point is that a pregnancy is required for any abortion to ever occur....and THAT is controllable by both the man and the woman. Without any pregnancy, abortion is a moot point.
You know, it’s not just the Democrats, but choice as well. I speak from personal experience at having the deck stacked against me from day one and I can assure you that it’s choice in the end, not just circumstances. So really, these women in the ghetto have the opportunities to get out, they just don’t have the choice.
Yet that is invariably what women fixate on, rather than their own responsibility for "pulling the trigger."
Do a search. See how many women in these discussions admit, without prompting, they are the ultimate determiner.
Then, as a follow up, see how many women would allow men to evade their responsibility equal to that which women exercise.
I have been on Free Republic for over 10 years and I guess I will never,ever understand why so many here think personal responsibility only applies to someone else.
I guess I’m just going to have to accept that a lot of conservatives have situational ethics, just like liberals.
Sad reality.
I think we’re arguing past each other. I’m not trying to fixate on either gender....I blame both.
Yes, she makes the final determination to have an abortion. So if you want to blame her more, go ahead.
I am positing that men should be less passive in the situation and not ever let it get to that point.
The sad fact is...is that a child is dead and both parents have to live with that for the rest of their lives (assuming the man knows).
Because when you've fulfilled your own personal responsibility, it DOES belong to somebody else.
” So really, these women in the ghetto have the opportunities to get out, they just don’t have the choice.”
It certainly does not help them in life not having a father. If they grow up never knowing a father then why on earth would they want to have a husband? Think about it. It is all they have ever known. Their mama had babies by several men so they will too. Yes it’s learned behavior. No one ever taught them it’s wrong.
When you try like one pastor did by refusing to baptize a baby by a single mother the church gets hell for it.
Here’s a link for that story:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsPe2RGkA50
I’ve never seen a bunch of people so lost.
While I agree with you completely with regard to the moral equation, I have become convinced it is the passivity of women that prevents any real inroads on legalized abortion.
Sure, you have female activists on both sides, but the one thing they agree on is keeping men on the hook no matter what the woman’s reproductive decision.
Make women stand alone for whatever reproductive choice they make, and those legs will snap shut as reliably as they have throughout history. It’s simple, unequivocal, self-interest.
THAT is the ONLY way abortion can be stopped.
I agree with you that women should not get a free pass on the decision to abort. However, I think you should consider another angle.
Abortion was/is sold as ALL women (even female children under 18) being emotionally and intellectually mature enough to make such a decision on their own with no input from anyone.
This is not true of any major decision in life (leave alone abortion/women for a moment). In what other area of life is it assumed that ALL people are capable of making major decisions on their own and are not swayed by anyone/anything?
Look at the whole mortgage debt crises and student debt crisis where so many people claim that ADULTS were duped into taking out loans who didn’t know what they were getting into and so should not have to pay back the loans or should somehow be let off the hook because they were tricked or duped. Zillions of stories in the news claiming that millions of ADULTS were not mature enough or knowledgeable enough to make such major decisions.
For example, many young people are pressured to go to college and take out loans. Does this mean we should let them off the hook for the loans? No. But at the same time we can still acknowledge that parents, schools, and society in general put a lot of pressure on them to take out loans when it may not be a good decision.
As conservatives we should be very clear. First off we should not buy into the liberal BS that every single female on the planet is autonomously making these decisions. This is simply not the case, particularly with young women and girls under the age of 18. Many ARE coerced into having abortions by parents, boyfriends etc. (And likely there are women/girls who want abortions but are coerced into having the baby). The point is, these decisions are not made in isolation.
The liberal lie that all women make abortion decisions in a total vacuum needs to be challenged. Lots of societal and personal influences contribute to the decision. However, this does not by any means translate into women having zero responsibility.
We must work to change the culture that normalizes, advocates and even praises abortion. This culture affects everyone, not just women who might become pregnant. A lot of people are culpable in the abortion-culture existing in the first place.
This is my shocked face...
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