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Jahi McMath gets feeding and breathing tubes
AP via CBS News ^ | January 8, 2014

Posted on 01/09/2014 6:39:24 AM PST by goodwithagun

A 13-year-old California girl who was declared brain dead after suffering complications from sleep apnea surgery has been given the feeding and breathing tubes that her family had been trying to obtain for weeks. Christopher Dolan, the attorney for the girl's family, said doctors inserted the gastric tube and tracheostomy tube Wednesday at the undisclosed facility where Jahi McMath was taken Jan. 5. The procedure was a success, Dolan said, and Jahi is getting the treatment that her family believes she should have gotten 28 days ago, when doctors at Children's Hospital Oakland first declared her brain dead.

(Excerpt) Read more at cbsnews.com ...


TOPICS: Health/Medicine; Science
KEYWORDS: jahi; jahimcmath; mcmath
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To: Sacajaweau

I’m not medical, but my understanding is that if she is truly brain dead her body WILL continue to deteriorate.

If she improves at all, or is even able to be kept at her present condition, she wasn’t really brain dead after all.

But I could certainly be wrong about that.


21 posted on 01/09/2014 8:17:38 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan

you’re right. that’s why I’m saying everyone is trying to make a buck..and sell a book....including mom


22 posted on 01/09/2014 8:26:50 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: grania
The parents should not be forced to have the child be either in a hospital or funeral home even if they can't or choose not to get more care. If the hospital has given up hope, Jamie should be with her parents.

Where do you keep getting this notion on thread after thread that the parents are fightining to take their child home? They're not. They're fighting for her to continue receiving professional long-term medical care --despite the overwhelming conclusion by every doctor that has examined her that Jahi McMath is in fact dead. Has been dead, is currently dead and is now decomposing.

23 posted on 01/09/2014 8:33:54 AM PST by Drew68
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To: Drew68

What I’m saying is that the proper response from the hospital would be to say that the parents were free to bring Jahi home as they could do no more to help her. Then take her off life support.


24 posted on 01/09/2014 8:57:42 AM PST by grania
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To: goodwithagun
This is interesting (a little graphic):

SUPPLEMENTAL DECLARATION OF DR. HEIDI FLORI OPPOSING PETITIONER'S REQUEST FOR COURT ORDER...

Here's a doctor's blog: Jahi McMath FAQ

25 posted on 01/09/2014 9:38:22 AM PST by Drew68
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To: Sacajaweau

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Of course her heart is beating. You really shouldn’t attempt to speak with authority about a subject of which you are ignorant.

She would indeed be dead if her heart was not physically beating, unless she was given a heart transplant or some mechanical assist device (such as what Dick Cheney had before his transplant). The cardiac conduction system can be functional in profoundly brain-injured people. The fact that her heart is still beating may be an indicator that there is some hope.
There would be no point in having her on a ventilator if her heart was not beating. There is no point giving artificial respirations to oxygenate the blood unless that blood is able to flow whre it needs to go. This requires a beating heart.


26 posted on 01/09/2014 9:52:59 AM PST by Atomic Vomit (http://www.cafepress.com/aroostookbeauty/358829)
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To: goodwithagun

Her heart is beating. There would be no point in having her on a ventilator if her heart was not beating.

Her heart is beating. To make her die, you would have to remove her from the ventilator. She might die quickly, then again she might begin breathing on her own - I have seen this happen.


27 posted on 01/09/2014 10:12:29 AM PST by Atomic Vomit (http://www.cafepress.com/aroostookbeauty/358829)
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To: Atomic Vomit

A machine is beating her heart for her. A ventilator is supplying oxygen to the blood, which is being mechanically pumped. Unfortunately because the brain is no longer functioning, the other organs aren’t being “told” what to do by the brain. Eventually the organs will decay like her brain. Let’s not forget that the skin is an organ.


28 posted on 01/09/2014 10:20:28 AM PST by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people's than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: goodwithagun

Show me where it has been stated by a reputable source that “a machine is beating her heart for her”.
You don’t know what you are talking about.


29 posted on 01/09/2014 10:56:32 AM PST by Atomic Vomit (http://www.cafepress.com/aroostookbeauty/358829)
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To: goodwithagun

A ventilator pushes oxygen into the lungs at certain prescribed rates and pressures. The lungs(as long as they are perfused by a beating heart) perform the actual gas exchange of oxygen/CO2. A ventilator only does the mechanical act of moving air in and out. The body does the rest.


30 posted on 01/09/2014 11:00:51 AM PST by Atomic Vomit (http://www.cafepress.com/aroostookbeauty/358829)
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To: Atomic Vomit

You might want to research what brain death means for other organs.


31 posted on 01/09/2014 11:01:58 AM PST by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people's than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: goodwithagun

I know what brain death means. I also have quite a good understanding about how the human body works. I have a very good understanding of the mechanics behind most of the equipment found in an intensive care unit and the appropriate use thereof.

What I don’t know is the location of the human soul. Only God knows that.


32 posted on 01/09/2014 11:11:26 AM PST by Atomic Vomit (http://www.cafepress.com/aroostookbeauty/358829)
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To: Atomic Vomit

http://www.donorrecovery.org/learn/understanding-brain-death/


33 posted on 01/09/2014 12:18:45 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Sacajaweau

I know a fair amount about brain death already thanks. Organ donation too. I happen to have seen the organ donation ghouls at work pushing for early withdrawal of life-support for those who were NOT brain dead by attempting to influence grieving families.
That is truly disgusting.
So, still think her heart isn’t beating? Some machine mechanically pumping it for her?(that truly would be a waste of time and money).

Where is the human soul located? Do doctors know? Scientists maybe?

I sure don’t know. Do you?


34 posted on 01/09/2014 12:38:16 PM PST by Atomic Vomit (http://www.cafepress.com/aroostookbeauty/358829)
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To: grania

Let me repeat the other poster: THEY ARE NOT FIGHTING TO BRING HER HOME. Also, they don’t want her off life support they want her ON it. If your argument is that they want her home to die then there is no argument. You’re making something up.


35 posted on 01/09/2014 1:07:01 PM PST by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people's than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: Atomic Vomit

Well you must be an expert then. I know one when I see one making anonymous posts on the Internet. Go to go now, it’s time for my bikini shoot for the Sports Illustrated cover.


36 posted on 01/09/2014 1:09:57 PM PST by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people's than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: goodwithagun

Not an expert, not claiming to be one. I have some knowledge and experience that’s all.

So, can you tell me more about the machine that’s pumping her heart? Or would that make you late for your close-up?


37 posted on 01/09/2014 1:34:18 PM PST by Atomic Vomit (http://www.cafepress.com/aroostookbeauty/358829)
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To: Atomic Vomit

If you have knowledge you would not be making those statements. Goodnight.


38 posted on 01/09/2014 4:59:57 PM PST by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people's than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: goodwithagun

I believe this young girl is, sadly, “brain dead,” just as doctors have determined her to be. I hope I’m wrong; I hope for a miracle.

But, the family is not to blame for this tragedy. The hospital is responsible.


39 posted on 01/09/2014 9:17:03 PM PST by Tired of Taxes
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To: Tired of Taxes

We have no indication yet that the hospital is at fault.


40 posted on 01/10/2014 3:08:59 AM PST by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people's than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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