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Jahi McMath’s Health “Improving” After She Gets Feeding, Breathing Tubes
Life News ^ | Dave Andrusko

Posted on 01/09/2014 9:34:58 PM PST by Morgana

The lawyer for the family of Jahi McMath, the 13-year-old who has been declared brain dead, said Wednesday that doctors successfully inserted a gastric tube and tracheotomy tube into the teenager at an as yet undisclosed facility.

Jahi was transferred from Oakland Children’s Hospital January 5 after a protracted legal battle between the family and the hospital which declared Jahi brain dead December 12 and sought to remove her from a ventilator.

The arraignment to move Jahi was reached during a hearing Friday before Alameda Superior Court Judge Evelio Grillo under which Jahi’s mother, Nailah Winkfield, could remove her daughter from the hospital as long as she assumed full responsibility.

Christopher Dolan told reporters that Jahi’s health is “improving,” and labeled the surgery “a success.”

“She is doing very well and getting the treatment she should have gotten 28 days ago,” Dolan said in a text message, according to the Oakland Tribune. “Doctors are optimistic that her condition has stabilized and that her health is improving from when she was taken from Children’s Hospital Oakland.”

Illustrating the daily ebb and flow, on Monday, Nolan was far less optimistic. “She’s in very bad shape,” he said, adding examinations show Jahi’s medical condition “is not good.”

The hospital reiterated its position that Jahi is brain dead. Deterioration “became inevitable the moment she died,” according to Dr. Heidi Flori, a critical care physician at Children’s Hospital.

The Los Angeles Times reported that Dr. Flori said in a court declaration filed in U.S. District Court that “The medical team and I believe that additional and more dramatic signs of the body’s deterioration will continue to manifest over time, regardless of any procedures and regardless of any heroic measures that any facility in the country might attempt.”

At the recommendation of doctors Jahi underwent an operation on December 9 to remove her tonsils, adenoids and extra sinus tissue to treat pediatric obstructive sleep apnea.

Afterwards “The teen girl was alert and talking to doctors after the procedure, even asking for a Popsicle because her throat hurt,” CNN reported. “That was a relief in some ways because she’d expressed concerns to her family about the surgery, fearing she would never wake up from it, her uncle has said.”


TOPICS: Health/Medicine
KEYWORDS: jahi; jahimcmath; mcmath; prolife
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1 posted on 01/09/2014 9:34:58 PM PST by Morgana
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To: Morgana

This is macabre. She’s dead.


2 posted on 01/09/2014 9:37:20 PM PST by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: Drango

“This is macabre. She’s dead.”

Clearly she is not... Rigor-mortise would have set in.


3 posted on 01/09/2014 9:42:30 PM PST by babygene ( .)
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To: Morgana

They declared her Bidened, the new term is “Bidened”.


4 posted on 01/09/2014 9:46:39 PM PST by GrandJediMasterYoda (Hitlery: Incarnation of evil.)
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To: Morgana

They declared her Bidened, the new term is “Bidened”.


5 posted on 01/09/2014 9:46:41 PM PST by GrandJediMasterYoda (Hitlery: Incarnation of evil.)
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To: Morgana
Jahi’s health is “improving,”

I would love to see a miracle happen. But I'm finding the above statement difficult to believe. I hope I'm wrong.

6 posted on 01/09/2014 9:47:02 PM PST by Tired of Taxes
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To: Drango

I don’t understand it either but if this child so much as opens her eyes or moves on her own someone at Children’s Hospital gonna have some explaining to do.


7 posted on 01/09/2014 9:47:16 PM PST by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: Morgana

And in another case, a husband wants his brain-dead pregnant wife taken off life support, which will also kill the baby. It makes more sense to meep that woman alive.


8 posted on 01/09/2014 10:00:44 PM PST by informavoracious (Root for Obamacare and healthcare.gov failure!)
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To: Morgana

Hey Children’s Hospital - how does your liability change if she’s NOT dead?

Oh, and here’s another question - ya’ll have any comment on Ariel Sharon’s status for the last 8 years?

Hmmm?


9 posted on 01/09/2014 10:09:24 PM PST by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Drango
If she has machines keeping her heart and lungs operating that is one thing, but the notion that feeding tubes should be removed is simply murder.

If her heart and lungs are functioning on their own, she should be given food and water and cared for.

10 posted on 01/09/2014 10:10:46 PM PST by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: Morgana

“She is doing very well and getting the treatment she should have gotten 28 days ago,” Dolan said in a text message, according to the Oakland Tribune. “Doctors are optimistic that her condition has stabilized and that her health is improving from when she was taken from Children’s Hospital Oakland.”

Illustrating the daily ebb and flow, on Monday, Nolan was far less optimistic. “She’s in very bad shape,” he said, adding examinations show Jahi’s medical condition “is not good.”

So onn Monday the Doctor who earlier said she was doing good says she is not doing well.
So is she doing good or not? They also have the Doctor’s name listed as Dolan then it is listed as Nolan who knows what the heck is going on.


11 posted on 01/09/2014 10:12:54 PM PST by funfan
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To: Morgana

IOW, she’s not dead and wasn’t given nutrients for a month. Visions of Terri, except Terri was wide awake and responsive and her HINO wanted her dead so she’d never be able to tell what really happened that night.


12 posted on 01/09/2014 10:25:10 PM PST by bgill
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To: Morgana

Sounds like the parents were right to ignore the hospitals doctors.

I’ve been told by a doctor the earlier surgery wasn’t advisable for someone with her weight and probable sleep apnea...Hospital needs to get ready to start writing big checks to the parents cause they’re gonna get sued for medical malpractice.


13 posted on 01/09/2014 10:48:16 PM PST by RginTN
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To: funfan

Yeah—makes little sense!


14 posted on 01/09/2014 10:54:47 PM PST by milagro (There is no peace in appeasement!)
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To: Morgana
The problem is that declaring someone brain dead is actually a subjective call. And, when the possibility of harvesting a person's organs is in play it makes the decision suspect.

I haven't really followed this case much, but when the person in question can respond in any way, by blinking on command or attempting to smile, the person is not "brain dead."

15 posted on 01/09/2014 11:11:37 PM PST by Slyfox (We want our pre-existing HEALTH INSURANCE back!)
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To: Drango

Indeed. This is akin to trying to keep a decapitated body “alive.” Not even remotely similar to Terri.


16 posted on 01/09/2014 11:49:20 PM PST by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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To: Morgana
I read elsewhere Jahi MacMath (not McMath) did NOT actually undergo so called "routine tonsillectomy."

Instead, they essentially had her entire upper airway reconstructed to alleviate sleep apnea?

17 posted on 01/10/2014 1:00:00 AM PST by hamboy
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To: Morgana
I read somewhere Jahi MacMath (not McMath) did not have routine tonsillectomy.

Instead, they essentially had her entire upper airway reconstructed to alleviate sleep apnea?

This is California Sleep Institute website: 

www.calsleep.com/conditions-sleep-disordered-breathing-california-sleep-doctors.html

Search for, "upper airway reconstruction"

So they don't really treat sleep apnea with tonsillectomy!

18 posted on 01/10/2014 1:27:01 AM PST by hamboy
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To: BuckeyeTexan

Are the cells in her brain dead or dormant?


19 posted on 01/10/2014 1:41:54 AM PST by GraceG
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To: fortheDeclaration

Just curios, have you ever been in that position?

A lot of theory can get tossed out with a little bit of experience.


20 posted on 01/10/2014 3:47:50 AM PST by Vermont Lt (If you want to keep your dignity, you can keep it. Period........ Just kidding, you can't keep it.)
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To: Slyfox

Yeah...none of that is happening.

This girl died almost a month ago.


21 posted on 01/10/2014 3:49:16 AM PST by Vermont Lt (If you want to keep your dignity, you can keep it. Period........ Just kidding, you can't keep it.)
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To: RginTN

It’s the doctors who are on the hook, not the hospital.

That isn’t how this stuff works.

A building cannot perform, or botch, a surgey.


22 posted on 01/10/2014 3:50:47 AM PST by Vermont Lt (If you want to keep your dignity, you can keep it. Period........ Just kidding, you can't keep it.)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

Indeed. This is akin to trying to keep a decapitated body “alive.” Not even remotely similar to Terri.”

Terri’s so called husband had doctors who said Terri was brain dead too. Yet her parents had video that showed she laughed at her father’s jokes. I still remember the video that Fox showed where Terri looked scared to death when they removed the feeding tube the first time. Still they had doctors testified that she was brain dead.

They said my father was in a vegetative state, yet he was still talking to us.

I don’t know what shape the child is really in, but they have pronounced people brain dead when they aren’t. I don’t know why they couldn’t let these people have more time to get used to the idea that their child is not going to come back, especially since the hospital and doctors caused her condition. I think it is because a dead child will lower the amount on a malpractice lawsuit than having a child that needs care for the rest of her life.


23 posted on 01/10/2014 3:53:09 AM PST by FR_addict
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To: Vermont Lt

The hospital is also on the hook. It doesn’t sound like they had adequate care for her after the surgery. It was one of her relatives that noticed her bleeding, not the nursing care for the hospital. A corporation can also be held liable.

Something very similar happened to a friend’s sister. She was in her early twenties at the time and started bleeding from her surgery, which went unnoticed by the staff until it was too late.


24 posted on 01/10/2014 3:58:09 AM PST by FR_addict
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To: Vermont Lt
What theory are you talking about?

We use to talk about taking someone off of lifesupport meaning machines keeping their heart and lungs going.

Now, we remove feeding tubes, which is totally different.

I had that situation with my mother.

If her heart and lungs were not working on their own, than we were going to'pull the plug'.

If they were working on their own, keep the tubes in.

If this girl's heart and lungs are working on their own, she should be given food and water.

If someone is brain dead are their heart and lungs going to continue work?

25 posted on 01/10/2014 4:27:28 AM PST by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: fortheDeclaration

If they are brain dead, yes it is possible that they can respirate on their own.

I too was faced with the prospect of relatives being kept alive.

It is a horrible choice. Each of us has to make the best decision at the time. We need to take into consideration the prospect of recovery and the wishes of the patient. We need to take into consideration the opinions of our doctors and spiritual advisors.

I believe these people made the wrong decision. Take off the ventilator and heart machine and this girl’s body stops working.

God has the girl in his hands. I pray for peace for the family.


26 posted on 01/10/2014 6:35:57 AM PST by Vermont Lt (If you want to keep your dignity, you can keep it. Period........ Just kidding, you can't keep it.)
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To: FR_addict

And as I have posted time and again, the hospitals and their insurance companies are not going to put up a fight over this.

I know this is a cold business assessment, but this stuff happens almost every day in this country. There is well established case law and civil precedent. Where it will become an issue is if they sue for a billion dollars, when every lawyer in the country could calculated the “normal” settlement for this in about ten minutes.

Again, I appreciate how cold this sounds. But this stuff happens.


27 posted on 01/10/2014 6:39:52 AM PST by Vermont Lt (If you want to keep your dignity, you can keep it. Period........ Just kidding, you can't keep it.)
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To: Vermont Lt

I pray for this family to find peace as well.
They need to let her go from their minds, because she’s already gone from the shell they’re keeping alive.


28 posted on 01/10/2014 6:41:36 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: FR_addict

It’s also been discussed that the family brought her food and was encouraging her to talk, both big no-nos for this complicated surgery. If that’s the case then maybe the family is insisting on this slow decomposition of the body to hide that issue. With family members in the medical profession, I’ve heard many stories about how loved ones can be a patient’s worst enemy. If this is true, I hope the hospital discloses this IF the family tosses the HIPAA regulations. For now, all we have is a family marching around wearing t-shirts with Jahi’s picture on them.


29 posted on 01/10/2014 6:45:59 AM PST by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people's than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: Vermont Lt

It’s been posted on other threads that due to California tort reform, the max is $250,000.


30 posted on 01/10/2014 6:47:17 AM PST by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people's than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: fortheDeclaration

“she should be given food and water and cared for.”


If God has taken away her ability to be nourished naturally,without tubes,I’d say He is calling her home.

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31 posted on 01/10/2014 6:50:23 AM PST by Mears
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To: Slyfox
The problem is that declaring someone brain dead is actually a subjective call

Get ready for some folks here to disagree with you and claim that the declaration of 'brain death' is clear cut. It is not.

What is considered brain dead in one location is not brain dead in another. To make matters worse, the same committee that sets the organ transplant rules is the one that sets the criteria for when a person can be declared brain dead and their organs harvested.

Just wait for the Obamacare committees get in charge. They'll be using your voting record to determine if you get to keep your organs.

32 posted on 01/10/2014 7:00:45 AM PST by ladyjane
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To: ladyjane
What is considered brain dead in one location is not brain dead in another.

Source? She's dead. Attempts to suggest this is a judgment call won't bring her back to life. She's dead.

33 posted on 01/10/2014 7:54:08 AM PST by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: FR_addict

Terri was never declared brain dead. Doctors testified that she was in a PSV, which is very different from brain dead. Terri had enough electrical activity in her brain to keep her body alive - heart and lungs pumping, blood flow to the brain, etc.

Jahi has zero electrical activity in her brain. No blood flow to the brain. No electrical signals to the autonomic nervous system to keep her heart and lungs pumping and maintain her body’s temperature. They are using warming blankets to keep a cold corpse warm. The myocardial cells in the heart can generate the electrical charge needed to keep the heart beating for a few days, which is why Jahi’s heart is still beating. With no blood flow to the brain, the brain is beginning to liquify. The body will deteriorate rapidly now. No one declared brain dead has ever recovered - no one. That child is dead.


34 posted on 01/10/2014 8:07:16 AM PST by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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To: Morgana
Jahi McMath FAQ

Supplemental Declaration of Dr. Heidi Flori

35 posted on 01/10/2014 8:18:06 AM PST by Scoutmaster (I'd rather be at Philmont)
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To: babygene

Rigor goes away after about 24 hours.


36 posted on 01/10/2014 8:20:51 AM PST by Hoffer Rand (If you like your plan, you can keep your plan. *Asterisk.*)
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To: Scoutmaster

The FAQ is a very good overview.


37 posted on 01/10/2014 9:50:33 AM PST by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: Drango

Source?

Assuming the newspaper reports are accurate, she is dead according to California law. Locations differ in what their committees decide what is really dead. Some definite it as total brain dead, others partial. In some locations the committee that determines brain dead is the same one that oversees organ transplants. Try googling.


38 posted on 01/10/2014 10:14:41 AM PST by ladyjane
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To: ladyjane

It has happened a few times, people waking up from being “vegetables”. If it happens this time, the press will probably ignore it


39 posted on 01/10/2014 10:16:05 AM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: ladyjane; Scoutmaster

She is brain dead according to the criteria in all 50 States and the District of Columbia.

What don’t you understand? Try reading the FAQ in #35


40 posted on 01/10/2014 10:18:28 AM PST by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: Morgana

Buddy: Hi, Mom! Hi, Dad! I'm not in a coma any more!

Mrs. Dionosopolis: Thank God!

Mr. Dionosopolis: [ embarrassed ] Buddy..? Buddy..?

Buddy: [ raising finger ] Ohhhhh.. what are you doing? Were you pulling the plug on me!

41 posted on 01/10/2014 10:20:28 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: Drango
What don't you understand?"

More than you do apparently. Try doing some reading. Here is one summary. There are many others.

The clinical criteria of brain death throughout the world: why has it come to this? http://www.psy.vanderbilt.edu/courses/hon182/criteria.pdf

42 posted on 01/10/2014 10:28:11 AM PST by ladyjane
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To: hamboy

I was reading earlier that, for young children, tonsillectomy alone is actually used to treat sleep apnea. I don’t know why Jahi at age 13 was cleared for more than a tonsillectomy. Maybe at puberty more surgery is considered appropriate...? So many unanswered questions in this case.


43 posted on 01/10/2014 10:52:05 AM PST by Tired of Taxes
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To: ladyjane

She is brain dead according to the criteria in all 50 States and the District of Columbia.


44 posted on 01/10/2014 10:57:24 AM PST by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: GeronL

Yes, people have improved from a persistent vegetative state (PVS). But Jahi is not in a PVS. Jahi is brain dead. Right now her brain is liquefying, her body is sloughing off the gut, and the subcutaneous tissue is turning gray and beginning to stink.

She’s not going to wake up. She’s dead, has been dead for four weeks now!


45 posted on 01/10/2014 10:58:25 AM PST by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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To: GraceG
Are the cells in her brain dead or dormant?

There's no cerebral activity whatsoever. Nothing. Nada. Zip. Her brain is not receiving oxygen. It is decomposing. She is not in a coma. She is not "brain injured". She is not "brain damaged". She is dead. Absolutely and unequivocally dead.

46 posted on 01/10/2014 11:22:23 AM PST by Drew68
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To: Drew68
Her brain is not receiving oxygen.

Why is her brain not receiving oxygen?
47 posted on 01/10/2014 11:28:36 AM PST by ZX12R (Never forget the heroes of Benghazi, who were abandoned to their deaths by Obama)
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To: Drew68

“Her brain is not receiving oxygen.” I’m CURIOUS AS TO THE SOURCE OF HOW YOU KNOW THIS SO UNEQUIVOCALLY.


48 posted on 01/10/2014 11:32:41 AM PST by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Drango; ladyjane; GeronL
Jahi McMath's been declared brain dead by every physician who has examined her. The one family physician, Dr. Paul Byrne, who is the outlier in some respects, doesn't argue that Jahi isn't brain dead. Rather, he doesn't believe that brain death equals death. He is not a neurologist and is not licensed to practice in California.

Alameda County Superior Court Judge Evelio Grillo decreed Jahi dead under California Health & Safety Code § 7180.

Legal documents filed in this case may be found here.

49 posted on 01/10/2014 11:34:20 AM PST by Scoutmaster (I'd rather be at Philmont)
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To: Tired of Taxes

If she was denied nutrition and fluids, providing them would improve the general physical condition, but it won’t do anything if her brain has indeed ceased to do more than perform autonomic tasks.


50 posted on 01/10/2014 11:39:50 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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