Skip to comments.Jahi McMath’s Health “Improving” After She Gets Feeding, Breathing Tubes
Posted on 01/09/2014 9:34:58 PM PST by Morgana
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So is Joe Biden brain dead and he is VP...
That is true AND funny
No. The cadaver’s heart is pumping due to machines.
She has been on a ventilator the whole time. But her heart is not beating au natural. It continues to beat because of the artificial respiration. The heart has its own internal pacemaker which is not dependent on the brain.
Why does the heart keep beating if a person is brain dead?
The heart has its own pacemaker independent of the brain. As long as it has oxygen, it continues to beat. The heart could actually be removed from the body, placed in saline solution, given oxygen, and still continue to beat. This is why although the brain is dead, the heart continues to beat.
The familys attorney Christopher Dolan and his political contributions:
Picture of his office lobby. Why do those signs look familiar?
While I dont doubt that Jahis mother and family are grief stricken, I do question their lawyers motivation in all this. There is currently a $250k cap in CA on non-monetary damages but there is also an ballot initiative to raise that cap.
Meanwhile, an advocacy group is facing sharp criticism for using Jahi's case to try to raise money.
The nonprofit Consumer noted in an email solicitation that it fights for patient safety for families like Jahi's and that it had drafted a proposed November ballot measure that would raise medical malpractice award limits in California.
Dolan, the family attorney, is a board member of Consumer Attorneys of California, the prime group funding the ballot initiative to lift the cap on pain and suffering awards. But he said he was dismayed that Consumer Watchdog used Jahi's name as a fundraising tool.
"Using Jahi's case as an example is wrong and that is not what this case is about," he said in a text message to the Associated Press.
Yea, right, color me skeptical.
Dont forget that even if a lawyer like Dolan loses, he never misses a big fat paycheck. Even if the family wins a malpractice suit and compensatory damages but only collects 250K for their pain and suffering (and how much will Dolan take from that?), and since Im pretty sure the bills and expenses are mounting and since shes been declared dead, I would think that any insurance has stopped paying and the hospital is going to fight against having to eat the costs of keeping a body alive after being declared dead, hes going to sue for not only the familys expenses but for his own fees to be paid.
The lawyer is a cretin who should be disbarred.
She is dead and is decomposing.
You can’t murder a person who is already dead.
Because she is dead. There is no blood flow to her brain.
Sharon was in a coma whereas Jahi is brain dead.
The two are not the same.
Brain dead equals dead.
The two are not the same.
Brain dead equals dead.
Brain dead equals a slew of definitions, depending on whether you want to acknowledge certain levels of brain functions as life signs, or whether you need someone to be dead so that they don't live and expose you to a gigantic lawsuit.
Just because the hospital is using morgue terminology doesn't exactly explain why a judge allowed Jahi's parents to continue treatment elsewhere. It stands to reason that evidence was presented to the judge that indicated that Jahi is, in fact, still alive.
My problem was if her heart and lungs were working and she wasn't being fed.
True, if her heart and lungs are not working on their own, she is indeed dead.
If you're interested in a copy of the report on the apnea test performed on Jahi by Dr. Paul Fisher, then here it is.
She is not alive. Several doctors and a coroner declared her dead. She is decomposing.
This entire thing is mind-blowing.
LOL, shills always go too far.
It’s one of their fingerprints.
I'll need to search among the many medical articles, physician blogs, and other information I've bookmarked since researching the death of Ms. McMath. Suffice it to say, nutrition doesn't work to maintain the body or restore the life of a body that has suffered total brain death.
~sigh...No one is shilling. It happens when there is brain death. Please read some of the articles posted up thread
Here is just one of the articles.
While normal brain tissue is firm, a brain that has been dead shows progressive autolysis, a form of biological self-destruction. It will almost be like soup, Dr. Harry Vinters, chief of neuropathology at UCLA, recently explained to me. He is the co-author of a major textbook on the pathology of the brain and has performed almost a hundred autopsies on the brain-dead.
It really depends on how long they have been on the ventilator. If they have been on the ventilator for two days, then the brain is grey and softened. But if, for example, a family has had difficulty deciding what they want to do and the patient has been kept on the ventilator for two to three weeks, then theres tremendous autolysis. The brain gets very swollen, soft, and mushy. The nerve tissue can become so friable that fragments of brain from the head will break off and float down the spinal column. Sometimes Ill be looking at a slide of the spinal cord, says Vinters, and Ill see fragments of cerebellum floating around in the specimen.
What are you talking about? The girl has been dead for a month so it stands to reason that she would be decomposing.
Like the doctor said, her body is deteriorating.
This doctor sure has a strong stomach!
Does it stand to reason, then, that Ariel Sharon's body should have been kept in a plastic basin, since after eight years he would be just liquid mush, right?
Even the medical opinions merely talk about brain degeneration, and even then such talk is unknown until now. No one spoke of Teri Schiavo "decomposing" or "liquifying" or other such horrifics.
And of course NO ONE is talking about hospital liability. Oh no, the family is just a bunch of money grubbers - after these SAME doctors, whom you hold in such HIGH esteem, killed this girl. Oh sorry, brain damage is such a normal possibility from tonsillectomy. Trust us, we're doctors. So pay, die, and shut up.
NOT TERRI SCHIAVO! YES I’M YELLING!
M'kay, got the yelling part.
Not quite clear on your point part, though.
Terri Schiavo & Ariel Sharon both were alive - had brain activity. Jahi is dead. Big difference. Jahi McMath also had more than tonsils removed. Had extensive work done...
These terms are too imprecise. The only thing anyone said about Terri Schiavo was that she was in a "vegetative state" and could never come back to consciousness - meaning only her lower brainstem supposedly was working (which I disagree with, but that was the position of the killers).
Same with Sharon, IIRC.
In both cases, we were told these people were "dead."
Now there's a new kind of dead - decomposition liquifaction. Oh no, those words aren't being used to horrify. They're being used as accurate descriptions, by the same doctors and hospital that turned her into that state in the first place.
All you people are doing is quoting medical textbooks on certain physical conditions, and justifying it by quoting heavily invested and biased doctors and a hospital and its attorneys, without a moment's doubt that they are telling the absolute truth.
Of course, that means the doctors who are currently caring for her are absollute frauds, because as doctors, they would know she is literally a dead body they are keeping going with pumps. So there's no problem in assuming that extremity against her, but no way such an extremity can be presumed against the doctors and hospital that created the condition.
Fine, roles and biases are clear.
Ariel Sharon was not brain dead. He was in a coma. There is a MASSIVE difference between being comatose and having zero brain activity. Jahi has zero brain activity. There is no blood going to her brain and there are no electrical impulses in her brain. This means she is dead.
The only reason her heart is beating is because of the machines she is hooked up to. The machines are the only things keeping her “alive”.
Terri Schiavo was in a vegetative state. She was not brain dead. People who are in a vegetative state have brain activity.
Jahi’s mother is partially to blame because she did not follow the doctors’ post-op instructions. She gave her daughter a cheeseburger and had her laughing, BOTH of which she was instructed not to do. Also, Jahi’s grandmother suctioned out her throat which was incredibly foolish and dangerous. She was not authorized to do so.
This was not a routine surgery. She underwent a very risky surgery that is not common for kids her age because of the dangers. Her weight was also a factor.
The doctors are being dragged through the mud. ALL surgery is risky and sometimes the patient will die. The doctors did not kill the girl.
What you are describing is - literally - a dead body.
As if there was simply a newly dead body, brought into the morgue, and then they decided to hook it up to a heart/lung machine.
How could such a thing be allowed? How could doctors receive authorization to treat a completely dead body in this manner? This simply does not make sense. If this were the case, no doctor and no lawyer could support such activity - they’d have no professional grounds for their behavior. That’s why I cannot believe that “dead” in this case means actually, completely dead. And that’s why I think there’s a lot of lying going on here by the hospital and doctors. Dead is not severely bad - it’s dead. Yet the reports by her family’s attorney are that she is severely, extremely bad. How could he possibly get away with something like this if he was lying? And to what end?
It just seems impossible as well as meaningless. That’s why I believe there must be some brain activity that is being argued over, versus simply meat.
Because of the HIPPA act the doctors and the hospital cannot reveal everything that is going on.
The girl had actually been released to the coroner but they were ordered by the judge to give her back to her family.
The doctors would not provide a feeding tube since she is dead.
According to several neurologists and the coroner there is absolutely no brain activity.
I’m completely perplexed myself.
Doctors did not want to treat a dead body; however, a nifty little court order forced them to.
Listen, there are already several threads on this poor girl. You can scroll through them and get all the information you need. The information includes why this isn’t Schiavo, what type of surgery she really had, why she is brain dead, what is brain death, and what her body will be doing over the next several weeks.
In both cases, we were told these people were “dead.” —— NO. I read and believed they were ALIVE, except for Jahi, who was not.
I don’t believe there are any doctors “caring” for the body of Jahi McMath. Interesting, isn’t it, that the fraud family & lawyer, won’t say what type of place she is in, or where she is located, while the family still raises money from the ignorant and the gullible and the kooks.
Listen, your trust in testimony over the unexpected medical death of a young girl and your belief that the involved hospital and doctors are telling the absolute truth to the media is charming. I prefer to think things through for myself. We're not on the same page, and we're not going to be. Try to live with it.
This is the first I've heard of these details. Thanks.
The girl is not there and her brain “Stem” shows no brain activity...further she was eliminating her bowels before they transferred her, which is what the body does when it’s decomposing....and other clear signals the body was decomposing.
The family refusal to accept the obvious..and their part in not complying with clear instructions prior to and after surgery, did not help the already poor health this girl was in before surgery.
Clearly the family had not withheld food from her before her health issues,( which apnea and diabeties often go hand and hand with obesity), which she was. To give her food before and after tells me her eating habits were likely that of the family using food to “comfort her”....which is often reasons why some are overweight.
Additionally you have a top rate hospital who did all that they could in the situation with parents who could/would not accept their daughter died. This was NOT a routine tonsilectomy by any means and the family knew this going in.
The fact many hospitals DID turn them down before they could find someone to take her speaks volumes as well....I have no doubt the place she is now in is having huge concerns over what they now have on their hands, once they examined her and saw her actual condition.
She is dead in every sense of the word and her body is decomposing...and has been since Dec. when she was pronounced dead....and that by several Dr’s.
Listen, your trust in testimony over the death of an obese girl who had a complicated surgery to open her airway so she could breath better, instead of losing weight, by the mother who made her obese is charming. I prefer to think things through for myself. We’re not on the same page, and we’re not going to be. Try to live with it.
Her mother MADE her obese?
As the parent of four adopted at birth children. Three within normal BMI guidelines, I can assure you no one makes their children obese. I had a child who was 32 pounds at six months, and is a 240 lb adult. We ate: organic foods with few snacks and no desserts. we were vegan but added meat when it was thought by Boston Childrens to slow down her weight gain.
No chips, no soda, just water and tea. No white sugars nothing that is commonly associated with weight gain. We lived on 30 acres and the children were homeschooled and outside all the time.
...”I dont believe there are any doctors caring for the body of Jahi McMath. Interesting, isnt it, that the fraud family & lawyer, wont say what type of place she is in, or where she is located, while the family still raises money from the ignorant and the gullible and the kooks”.....
She’s likely in some care home the Lawyer located....he and the family will want to save face...removing her from the hospital prior means the likely of an autopsy is nil. I can hear it already “She’s been through enough so no autopsy”
I think most knew that as this family stretched this out there could be something more sinister going on here, once several Dr.s declared her dead. Just reading the reports as things moved along certainly attest to her being dead when they pronounced her so.
Now that this care home has her, I’m sure since they saw and examined her body they’re wringing hands on how they can get out this situation......no doubt insurance isn’t paying now so the family has to keep up the fund raising.
What a horrible mess they’ve created....this has gone far beyond a parents denial IMO.
I’m not a fan of BMI or the food pyramid. We eat mainly what we grow, and our diet is based on real food. Nothing processed or with ridiculous additives. Check I make our own bread and chicken stock. What does this have to do with Jahi’s case? Nothing. Just like your example has nothing to do with this case.
A bariatric doc my nephew has seen told my idiot in-laws that genetics account for about 30% of weight issues. So if one is 100 pounds overweight then 70 pounds is his fault. My idiot in-laws made my nephew obese. The obese students I see every day are the direct cause of ghetto parents that don’t love them enough to buy Apple’s instead Doritos, or scramble them some eggs instead of toasting Pop Tarts. Yes, parents do make their children obese.
You know, I’m not saying he’s in bad shape. In fact, it seems that unless a miracle takes place, she’s going to die. In which case, of course, everyone will simply say she was dead all along. So it’s not like I believe there’s any hope in proving my position.
But I’m not seeing much, if any, analysis of the overwhelmingly obvious bias and interest in the hospital and involved doctors making sure she is dead, here. Legally, the stakes are staggering as far as lawsuits are concerned, and the medical side is in an infinitely stronger position in the courtroom if she is dead and buried.
As well, never before in any such type of story have such draconian words been hauled out wholesale by the media, like “decompising” and “liquifaction,” etc. That these are supposed to have an powerful emotional effect on the reader is beyond obvious. And dragging out necropsy process descriptions are another obvious deflection of the actual points, because everyone knows that bodies decompose.
The issues here are simple - people die all the time in hospitals. Why, in this case, did a judge intervene on behalf of extending life support? Why did a judge intervene on behalf of releasing the child for further medical care when supposedly the coroner issued a death certificate? Why didn’t the government seize the body and prevent the parents from treating a dead body as if it is alive? How can lawyers and doctors claim to be treating a living person who is completely brain dead and not risk their professional accreditations?
These are not only valid questions, they are questions that will affect lawsuits that are sure to come that will reack the tens of millions fo dollars or higher. And they are being dismissed blithely, without even comment or explanation or investigations, and those who ask them are notw being labelled as cracks - when these exact questions WILL have to be answered in court.
No. I don’t know what is going on, but I smell a HUGE rat here. I don’t believe the family is telling the whole truth either, but it’s blazingly obvious this liquifaction cover story is equally fraudulent. AND we happen to live in a country where this particular issue - when a person is alive or dead, when they receive medical care or not, where the courts get involved and where they don’t, and now OBAMACARE’s big fat foot in the whole problem, makes this an extremely important issue to get very clear.
That conservatives, of all people, don’t see the danger in simply blowing this off and trusting those in power to tell them the truth of the matter, is depressing. And you’re worried about RINOs? LOL, RINOs are the least of your problems. Just wait until you get sick.
Coma:..... These patients are alive, but in a state where their eyes are closed. They have a depressed consciousness from which they cannot be awakened. A coma is different from brain death as there are still brain stem responses. There can be spontaneous breathing and non-purposeful motor responses. The person may or may not be on a ventilator to support their breathing depending on other physical conditions. A coma will eventually progress to having a recovery of consciousness, deterioration to a state of chronically depressed consciousness, or brain death. The states of depressed consciousness will be either a vegetative state or minimally conscious state.
Minimally conscious state:...... These patients are stuck somewhere between being in a vegetative state and being in a coma. There is still a severe alteration in consciousness but with inconsistent occasional behaviors suggesting a level of awareness. There may be occasional purposeful movements, and they may occasionally track motions with their eyes. These cases are the hardest to deal with as the behavior gives the family and caregivers hope for a full recovery, which is unfortunately not usually the case.
Vegetative state:...... These patients are alive but have extremely impaired consciousness. Their eyes may open spontaneously giving the impression of consciousness however there no awareness of the environment. These patients do not acknowledge their surroundings and are unable to track object with their eyes or speak. They may have some movements however they are non purposeful. (Finley Boyle, Marlise Munoz, Terri Schiavo)
Locked-in syndrome: ........This is a very cruel condition indeed. It is when a patient is aware and awake but cannot move or communicate due to complete paralysis of nearly all voluntary muscles in the body except for the eyes. This happens due to a basal artery stroke, a head injury, MS, ALS or other diseases. (Ariel Sharon).
Brain dead:....... These patients are no longer alive. They are considered clinically dead with irreversible damage and cessation of all activity. This would include the entire brain including the in both the brain stem. There may be some spinal cord generated reflexes however they are non voluntary. There is no ability to regulate breathing, and in time temperature, heart rate and blood pressure will be affected without artificial intervention. (Jahi McMath)
Thanks for the definitions. However, as I said repeatedly, the point is not the definitions, but questioning which definition applies, and who to trust concerning testimony as to those applications, when compared to the rest of the story, common sense and tens of millions of dollars in litigation awards.
At issue is the mother saying her “heart” hasn't stopped and if that were to occur she'd accept it. Which isn't true because her daughter indeed had a heart failure and she didn't accept it then. ...and now she's saying if the body begins to decompose she'll take her of the ventilator. It is decomposing and was doing so from the time they declared her dead.
The mother is in extreme denial or something more sinister is at work or both.
California has a set limit, (250,000 I think) on what they can recover if they sue...BUT...keeping her on a ventilator can go into millions.
There's a photo of the daughters hand, taken about Jan 9th...and you can see the decomposition is happening.
If they are feeding her through tubes etc. it will simply slide out through the testinal track with a foul smell.
LOL, you couldn't resist, could you? How foul of a smell, exactly? Is that a medical term? I mean, are we talking putrified food in a dissolving intestinal tract, or the foulness of necropsy as the actual intestinal tract dissolves into a liquid mass? And are you including the opportunistic bacteria stench here, or just the fecal release and gaseous bloating of normal corpse degredation?
LOL, you just couldn't hold yourself back!
Actually...all of the above...lol.....
I am literally laughing out loud.
I hope I will never smell a dead body. I have come across a photo of a very badly decomposed murder victim but that is it.
It was on rotten.com,lol. My friend decided to gross me out.
Thirty percent of obese people
If that’s what makes you feel better.
check out Jeff Stibel and his work on Brain-Computer
TRUE. The judge goofed on this one.