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Jahi McMath’s Health “Improving” After She Gets Feeding, Breathing Tubes
Life News ^ | Dave Andrusko

Posted on 01/09/2014 9:34:58 PM PST by Morgana

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To: Mears

So you think people in a comma shouldn’t be cared for?


61 posted on 01/10/2014 12:36:39 PM PST by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

Are her heart and lungs functioning without machines?


62 posted on 01/10/2014 12:38:02 PM PST by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: Drew68
So I assume her heart and lungs have stopped working as well.

If they have, then she is indeed dead.

63 posted on 01/10/2014 12:39:36 PM PST by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: HamiltonJay

Exactly! How could the heart and lungs still be operating without the brain.


64 posted on 01/10/2014 12:40:42 PM PST by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: fortheDeclaration
Her lungs are not functioning without a ventilator.

If you take her off the ventilator for long enough, her heart will stop beating.

65 posted on 01/10/2014 12:41:01 PM PST by Scoutmaster (I'd rather be at Philmont)
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To: MHGinTN
She needs to be taken off of those and if the heart and lungs continue to operate than she needs to receive care.

If a machine is keeping her heart and lungs going, she is indeed dead.

66 posted on 01/10/2014 12:42:39 PM PST by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: fortheDeclaration
Are her heart and lungs functioning without machines?

Jahi is on a ventilator (aka life support machine) that is mechanically pumping oxygen into her lungs. Unplug that machine and respiration will cease immediately followed by circulation within minutes.

67 posted on 01/10/2014 12:43:40 PM PST by Drew68
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To: fortheDeclaration
This article posted a couple of days ago offers a lot of interesting medical information of what happens to your body when you are brain dead and on life support.

Jahi McMath: Family says brain-dead teen's body may be too deteriorated to save

Read the complete story at the link.

68 posted on 01/10/2014 12:51:32 PM PST by Drew68
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To: Drew68
If 02 is withheld from you, you too would cease to function in a few minutes. We could pump some Pavulon into you, then hook you up to a ventilator for a while, then stop the machine, and you would eventually expire. That is not what this is about.

I would just like to know if her heart will beat, unassisted, so long as oxygen is pumped into her lungs. If so, she is circulating her own blood thus her brain --right down to the stem-- is not yet 'dead'. She is not yet a cadaver if her heart will beat on its own so long as 02 level is maintained by machinery if needed.

69 posted on 01/10/2014 12:55:21 PM PST by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: MHGinTN
I would just like to know if her heart will beat, unassisted, so long as oxygen is pumped into her lungs. If so, she is circulating her own blood thus her brain --right down to the stem-- is not yet 'dead'.

Her brain stem is dead along with the rest of her brain. Yes her heart continues to beat with the aid of a ventilator pumping oxygen into her lungs. But it won't keep doing this forever. Her blood pressure is already very low and continues to drop. Read the link to the article I posted above. It explains things a lot better than I can.

70 posted on 01/10/2014 1:12:13 PM PST by Drew68
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To: Morgana

There are going to be lots of really stupid looking people “if” this girl ever “wakes” up....


71 posted on 01/10/2014 1:14:25 PM PST by Popman ("Resistance to Tyrants is Obedience to God" - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Drew68

Um, your lack of education is showing. If the brain stem is dead, the heart is not beating without external stimulation.


72 posted on 01/10/2014 1:15:37 PM PST by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Popman

From what I’ve read, this poor child will never ‘wake up’. She is far less here than a severely comatose patient. The circus is looking more like an exploitation for gain than grieving parents. Perhaps this is another manifestation of exploitation via magic thinking, like occurred with the Treyvon Martin hysteria?


73 posted on 01/10/2014 1:18:44 PM PST by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: MHGinTN; Drew68
According to the University of Miami Medical School's website on brain death:

The heart has its own pacemaker independent of the brain. As long as it has oxygen, it continues to beat. The heart could actually be removed from the body, placed in saline solution, given oxygen, and still continue to beat.

This is why although the brain is dead, the heart continues to beat.


74 posted on 01/10/2014 1:28:20 PM PST by Scoutmaster (I'd rather be at Philmont)
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To: MHGinTN
Re: exploitation

"There is speculation by a number of web commentators and bloggers that this insistence on “brain damaged and disabled” versus brain dead, and “really most sincerely dead” is simply an attempt to preserve Jahi’s “aliveness” in preparation for a flurry of court actions designed at recovering monetary damages in excess of California’s pain and suffering caps. The uncle, in a recorded press conference referred to the number of $250,000 as “chump change”, and suggested that the more appropriate number is $30,000,000. Thirty million versus $250,000. Maybe it’s just me, but it is pretty unseemly to be tossing around these kind of numbers while Jahi is still alive."

Source

75 posted on 01/10/2014 1:33:19 PM PST by Scoutmaster (I'd rather be at Philmont)
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To: MHGinTN
Um, your lack of education is showing. If the brain stem is dead, the heart is not beating without external stimulation.

Clearly it is you who does not understand basic human anatomy and physiology. The heart does not require a brain to function, only oxygen (provided from the lungs via machine). But eventually even fresh oxygen will not be enough to keep the heart pumping --as is being currently demonstrated by Jahi's falling blood pressure.

76 posted on 01/10/2014 1:36:51 PM PST by Drew68
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To: Popman

Her brain is DEAD.


77 posted on 01/10/2014 3:00:14 PM PST by bonfire
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To: bonfire
Her brain is DEAD.

So is Joe Biden brain dead and he is VP...

I will be the first to admit I know almost nothing about what constitutes being brain dead...

I do know in the past other "brain dead" people were actually not "brain dead" and were declared as such either though incompetent wrong diagnosis or woke up as a "miracle"...

78 posted on 01/10/2014 3:08:16 PM PST by Popman ("Resistance to Tyrants is Obedience to God" - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: All

About 15 years ago a friend of the family had brain surgery.

Now she is 92 years of age, and through the years her mental capacity has progressively improved.

I’m hardly a brain surgeon, but I can see that this dear woman is better mentally at 92 than she has been since her brain surgery. Don’t people usually have less cognitive abilities as they age?

No doubt about it - the brain can heal!


79 posted on 01/10/2014 4:34:19 PM PST by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: fortheDeclaration
How could the heart and lungs still be operating without the brain?

From the FAQ in #35

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Q: But her heart is still beating! Her body is warm! And her kidneys are making urine! Are you telling me that dead people have beating hearts? Should we make caskets waterproof to protect the ground from all the urine the dead people make?

A: Clearly you don't understand basic human anatomy and physiology. The heart, kidneys, and lungs do not require a brain to function. If I hooked a human kidney up to an oxygenated blood flow, it would produce urine, no brain (or batteries) required. Same thing goes for the lungs, heart, and all the other cellular mechanisms. Because Jahi's body is hooked up to a ventilator, it pumps oxygenated air into her lungs. Her lungs, also requiring no brain input to exchange gases, continue to exchange oxygen for carbon dioxide, and her cells which are receiving blood flow (remember, her brain is NOT getting blood flow) will continue to function. So her body will stay warm, her heart will still beat, and her kidneys will still make urine.

80 posted on 01/10/2014 4:34:33 PM PST by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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