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Hall of Fame: Up to BBWAA to propose vote changes
AP via Yahoo ^ | January 9, 2014 | Ronald Blum

Posted on 01/10/2014 11:54:06 AM PST by EveningStar

The Hall of Fame says it's up to baseball writers to propose any changes in the selection process.

The Baseball Writers' Association of America has voted on Hall of Fame candidates since 1936, and elections have become more controversial in recent years as stars tainted by accusations of steroids use have fallen well short of the 75 percent needed for entry to Cooperstown.

Writers are limited to a maximum 10 votes, and some say there's a logjam as Barry Bonds, Rogers Clemens and Mark McGwire remain on the ballot at a time new players are added.

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TOPICS: Sports
KEYWORDS: baseball; baseballhalloffame; baseballwriters; bbwaa; halloffame; mlb; ped; steroids

1 posted on 01/10/2014 11:54:06 AM PST by EveningStar
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To: EveningStar

There’s no jam....there are around forty players who just won’t make the HOF, because of the era they played, period.


2 posted on 01/10/2014 11:57:59 AM PST by pepsionice
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To: EveningStar
Declare George Will to be Hall of Fame Czar. It will give him something to do and keep him away from politics.
3 posted on 01/10/2014 12:01:09 PM PST by KarlInOhio (Republican amnesty supporters don't care whether their own homes are called mansions or haciendas.)
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To: EveningStar

Maddux, Glavine, Thomas were all HOF worthy. Biggio never struck me as a HOF level player. Bagwell and Piazza are in the group with Bonds, Clemens, McGwire etc..as steroid tainted candidates.

The reason the Baseball writers vote is that by being with the teams, they saw more baseball than anyone else. That’s not the case anymore.

The only change the HOF should make is to allow other people a vote. The beat writer for the Brewers does not see more baseball than, say, Greg Amsinger on the MLB network (example).

Make that change, keep everything else the same IMO.


4 posted on 01/10/2014 12:03:13 PM PST by Personal Responsibility (I'd use the /S tag but is it really necessary?)
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To: EveningStar

I don’t want to hear any griping about baseball process. Try checking out the horse process. Once they made changes to be more objective and after some griping rolled over like scared ninnies and changes it back to the same basic lame way as always. It’s cheapened when it’s guaranteed so many are going to get in, even when the candidates aren’t that great.


5 posted on 01/10/2014 12:19:04 PM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: EveningStar

The players have no one to blame but themselves. They sacrificed the guy who never got called up or was only in MLB for a cup of coffee because someone else was on PEDS or was 35+ and extending their career by using PEDS. In exchange PEDS abusers received huge contracts that drove ALL the MLB player contracts up, the users and non-users. The logjam wouldn’t be there if it wasn’t for folks splitting their votes between known/suspected PEDS guys and second tier HOFers.

Not that the vote couldn’t be expanded to include the SABR guys or announcers. Even if that ever happens, getting 75% of any group to agree is going to be fairly rare thing. Flawed as it is, it’s still the only hall of fame that really matters.

Freegards


6 posted on 01/10/2014 12:22:35 PM PST by Ransomed
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To: EveningStar

Until Rose is inducted there is no HOF.

One of the idiots that did not vote for Biggio said he was concerned Biggio used steroids. Yeah all 5’10” 170 pounds of him. Moron. His problem is he played for the Lastros.


7 posted on 01/10/2014 12:24:06 PM PST by Resolute Conservative
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To: Resolute Conservative

Biggio just doesn’t belong in the HOF. On the scale of 1-10 and 9 and 10 get you in the Hall, Biggio was an 8. His problem is that he was a good player, not a great player. The Hall is for great players. I scanned the list and guess what, the 3 who belong got in. Instead of allowing guys like Biggio in, they should remove Mazeroski, Sutton, and Blyleven from the Hall, good players, not great.


8 posted on 01/10/2014 12:35:34 PM PST by gusty
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To: Personal Responsibility

Imagine letting a Hawk Harrelson vote. His only criteria is if the guy played for the White Sox. Way too many homers in the electronic media.


9 posted on 01/10/2014 12:38:03 PM PST by gusty
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To: Personal Responsibility

Nice post.

I would also add, re “Biggio never struck me as a HOF level player.”

3000 hits to my mind is HOF. Yet I think Biggio goes with your next comment:

“Bagwell and Piazza are in the group with Bonds, Clemens, McGwire etc..as steroid tainted candidates.”

Biggio’s in it too.


10 posted on 01/10/2014 12:44:49 PM PST by ifinnegan
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To: ifinnegan

HOF players should be dominate players in their eras, not guys who just hung around for ever and compiled stats. Biggio never led the league in anything, his accomplishment was longevity. He was a good player, not a great.


11 posted on 01/10/2014 12:56:11 PM PST by gusty
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To: gusty

Not Blyleven. 287 wins pitching for mostly poor teams, top ten in ERA ten times, 60 shutouts, fifth all-time strikeout leader and owner of one of the best curve balls in the history of the game. Great player.

If he’d have pitched in a big market all his career, he’d have won 350 games and electing him would have been automatic.


12 posted on 01/10/2014 1:01:58 PM PST by Colonel_Flagg (Some people meet their heroes. I raised mine. Go Army.)
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To: ifinnegan
“I would also add, re “Biggio never struck me as a HOF level player.”

3000 hits to my mind is HOF.”

Yet Biggio never led the majors in any year in hits or BA, and he was a .281 career hitter. 150 hits per year will get you to 3000 hits if you have a 20 year career like Biggio did.

13 posted on 01/10/2014 1:02:09 PM PST by riverdawg
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To: gusty

You don’t get to hang around to compile stats without the skill and ability to earn and keep your spot on the roster.

This is not to say that a number in itself (3000 hits, 300 wins, 500 HR) should get your ticket punched automatically to the Hall, but it should make you a presumptive HoF candidate.


14 posted on 01/10/2014 1:03:50 PM PST by Loyalist
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To: gusty

“Biggio never led the league in anything, ...”

HBP, 5 times!


15 posted on 01/10/2014 1:04:04 PM PST by riverdawg
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To: Loyalist

He hung around by being a good player. No one said he was loosy, just not a great player. As they say, if you have to think about the player for a few seconds, then he doesn’t belong.


16 posted on 01/10/2014 1:06:19 PM PST by gusty
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To: riverdawg

Last I looked, no plaque for Ron Hunt in the HOF.


17 posted on 01/10/2014 1:08:19 PM PST by gusty
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To: riverdawg; gusty

You guys make good points.

I still find it hard to not think anyone who gets 3000 hits shouldn’t be in.

Longevity with consistence at a high level is important.

And his position needs to be considered. You won’t find outfielders getting 300 hits in this way.


18 posted on 01/10/2014 1:12:20 PM PST by ifinnegan
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To: gusty

From Wikipedia

“Biggio is a seven-time MLB All-Star and won four Gold Glove Awards and five Silver Slugger Awards during his career. He ranks 21st all-time with 3,060 career hits, and is the ninth player in the 3,000 hit club to get all his hits with the same team. Only the 2nd MLB’er to have both 50 SB’s & 50 2B’s in the same season. The all-time NL leader in leadoff HR’s(53).”

If those stats can’t get you admitted, then there’s a problem with the admittance process.


19 posted on 01/10/2014 1:14:42 PM PST by retuks
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To: All

there is not a more smug and sanctimonious organization than the BBWAA.
The writers sat in the clubhouses all across the country while players were doing what they were doing and not a peep. Then, all of a sudden someone figures it all out and they all decide that it’s suddenly wrong and now all those guys that gave them quotes, gave them stories and made them famous are not not worthy of a vote.
These guys beclown themselves every time they “vote” just to show how important they are.


20 posted on 01/10/2014 1:15:24 PM PST by newnhdad (Our new motto: USA, it was fun while it lasted.)
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To: gusty

“Last I looked, no plaque for Ron Hunt in the HOF.”

Maybe there should be a special wing at Cooperstown for HBP leaders. Hunt got dinged 50 times in 1971! Ouch!


21 posted on 01/10/2014 1:26:39 PM PST by riverdawg
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To: retuks

Biggio was a solid player during a long career, but he wasn’t a dominant force. I likes Don Mattingly in much the same way, but I think he is also below the HOF bar.


22 posted on 01/10/2014 1:31:08 PM PST by riverdawg
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To: gusty

Hawk is not an electronic media guy. He’s paid by the white sox to broadcast games. No way you could let a person paid by a team to vote, just for the reason you stated..

That said, there are plenty of baseball related guys who’d be better to vote than current baseball writers who aren’t employed by teams.


23 posted on 01/10/2014 6:50:56 PM PST by Personal Responsibility (I'd use the /S tag but is it really necessary?)
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To: ifinnegan

Certainly possible Biggio was a steroid guy. I don’t recall thinking that of him when he played but if we’ve learned anything, it’s that no one is above suspicion.


24 posted on 01/10/2014 6:52:31 PM PST by Personal Responsibility (I'd use the /S tag but is it really necessary?)
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To: EveningStar
I've been following this pretty closely and there is a lot of talk about how times have changed and the right to vote ought to be expanded to TV and website analysts, maybe cut back on the number of writers or at least limit how many years they are allowed to cast ballots.

Right now its a lifetime gig and a lot of the writers are not doing their homework, and this is aside from the steroid issue.

25 posted on 01/10/2014 6:56:54 PM PST by Rome2000 (THE WASHINGTONIANS AND UNIVERSAL SUFFRAGE ARE THE ENEMY -ROTATE THE CAPITAL AMONGST THE STATES)
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To: retuks
The Biggio vote is the reason that people are starting to say there is a problem with the selection process.

The only reason he's not there yet is because he played for Houston.

26 posted on 01/10/2014 7:09:57 PM PST by Rome2000 (THE WASHINGTONIANS AND UNIVERSAL SUFFRAGE ARE THE ENEMY -ROTATE THE CAPITAL AMONGST THE STATES)
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