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Ex-Officers Found Not Guilty in Kelly Thomas’ Beating Death
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Posted on 01/13/2014 6:01:03 PM PST by AmericanHunter

http://ktla.com/2014/01/13/verdict-reached-in-trial-of-ex-officers-in-kelly-thomas-death/


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1 posted on 01/13/2014 6:01:03 PM PST by AmericanHunter
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To: AmericanHunter

Find this hard to believe.


2 posted on 01/13/2014 6:02:09 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: AmericanHunter

John and Ken are going to have a 50,000 watt fit.


3 posted on 01/13/2014 6:04:50 PM PST by Excellence (All your database are belong to us.)
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To: Sacajaweau

“Find this hard to believe.”

I second that.


4 posted on 01/13/2014 6:06:52 PM PST by Pelham (Obamacare, the vanguard of Obammunism)
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To: AmericanHunter

Wow, I wonder about civil charges.


5 posted on 01/13/2014 6:07:28 PM PST by pbear8 (the Lord is my light and my salvation)
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To: AmericanHunter
LA is gonna burn.

Wait, that was another police beating.

6 posted on 01/13/2014 6:10:10 PM PST by skeeter
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To: Sacajaweau

“Find this hard to believe.”

You shouldn’t. The perp obviously had it coming to him. (/s)


7 posted on 01/13/2014 6:11:04 PM PST by RKBA Democrat (Having some small say in who gets to hold the whip doesn't make you any less a slave.)
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To: Sacajaweau

“Find this hard to believe.”

Me too.


8 posted on 01/13/2014 6:11:06 PM PST by AmericanHunter
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To: Pelham; Sacajaweau

Third! Also difficult to read being with background and such.


9 posted on 01/13/2014 6:11:10 PM PST by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: pbear8

civil charges?

cops were white, but so was victim


10 posted on 01/13/2014 6:12:03 PM PST by Scrambler Bob ( Concerning bo -- that refers to the president. If I capitalize it, I mean the dog.)
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To: Sacajaweau

Not really. Laymen tend to believe cops. Sad, The two bastards should be fired and sent to prison.


11 posted on 01/13/2014 6:13:35 PM PST by ZULU (Magua is sitting in the Oval Office. Ted Cruz/Phil Robertson in 2016.)
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To: FBD

Ping


12 posted on 01/13/2014 6:23:53 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: ZULU

They did get fired. How they avoided prison for this unnecessary killing is beyond me.

Will the police be further emboldened by this verdict or will they become more fearful that the people will begin to think that the justice system is broken beyond repair? What happens then?


13 posted on 01/13/2014 6:25:58 PM PST by AmericanHunter
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To: AmericanHunter
There was no evidence of blood or alcohol in Thomas’ body at the time of his death, a coroner’s report stated.

Read more: http://ktla.com/2014/01/13/verdict-reached-in-trial-of-ex-officers-in-kelly-thomas-death/#ixzz2qKsRb8Q1

Journalist must be a pothead.

14 posted on 01/13/2014 6:28:03 PM PST by LoneRangerMassachusetts (The meek shall not inherit the Earth)
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To: AmericanHunter
Shocked, but not awed.

Open season on citizens?

15 posted on 01/13/2014 6:28:09 PM PST by sarasmom (Extortion 17. A large number of Navy SEALs died on that mission. Ask why.)
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To: sarasmom

Kind of looks that way.


16 posted on 01/13/2014 6:31:16 PM PST by AmericanHunter
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To: sarasmom

Jury took less than a day to convict.

I haven’t followed this case in a long, long time …. but it sure seemed Freeoers did not take into account the problems this man;s homelessness caused for him.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-live-verdict-in-kelly-thomas-police-murder-case-20140113,0,5661959.story#axzz2qKtO4JRc


17 posted on 01/13/2014 6:33:09 PM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: AmericanHunter

18 posted on 01/13/2014 6:41:03 PM PST by TaxPayer2000
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To: AmericanHunter

“Will the police be further emboldened by this verdict or will they become more fearful that the people will begin to think that the justice system is broken beyond repair? What happens then?”

I guess we’ll get to find out. History has shown that thugs operating under color of law merely get bolder over time.


19 posted on 01/13/2014 6:43:56 PM PST by RKBA Democrat (Having some small say in who gets to hold the whip doesn't make you any less a slave.)
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To: AmericanHunter
What happens then?

Since my virus protection went nuts when I came back to the thread ... I'll just say "Baby, you better slow down!"

20 posted on 01/13/2014 6:44:08 PM PST by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: TaxPayer2000

To Serve and To Protect.


21 posted on 01/13/2014 6:44:57 PM PST by RKBA Democrat (Having some small say in who gets to hold the whip doesn't make you any less a slave.)
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To: RKBA Democrat

“I guess we’ll get to find out. History has shown that thugs operating under color of law merely get bolder over time.”

I guess so. I have to believe there is a limit as to what people will accept though.


22 posted on 01/13/2014 6:51:19 PM PST by AmericanHunter
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To: BunnySlippers

No one said this guy was a model citizen. But do you realize he was calm, unarmed and sober, sitting on the ground, when Ramos told him he was gonna f**k him up?
There’s NO justification for police beating any unarmed person to death. NONE.


23 posted on 01/13/2014 6:52:10 PM PST by FBD (My carbon footprint is bigger than yours)
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To: FBD

“No one said this guy was a model citizen. But do you realize he was calm, unarmed and sober, sitting on the ground, when Ramos told him he was gonna f**k him up?
There’s NO justification for police beating any unarmed person to death. NONE.”

This is the puzzling part for me. There’s no question in my mind that they killed him, I just don’t understand how they could justify it.


24 posted on 01/13/2014 7:00:24 PM PST by AmericanHunter
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To: AmericanHunter


25 posted on 01/13/2014 7:00:45 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: BunnySlippers

” it sure seemed Freeoers did not take into account the problems this man;s homelessness caused for him.”

I knew homelessness was an eyesore for the rest of us. Didn’t know it was a Capital Crime.

Freepers in SoCal know a lot about the case. Thomas was a homeless schizophrenic man who weighed all of 135 pounds. He had been doing nothing violent or criminal when he was stopped by Officer Ramos for questioning.

Thomas was already known to Ramos. Ramos had Thomas sitting on the curb when Ramos proceeded to put on some vinyl gloves and announced to Thomas “I’m going to f*#& you up”.

Thomas resisted having the hell beat out of him. Ramos was joined by Officer Cicinelli as Ramos was “f*#&ing up” Thomas and they beat him in the head and face with fists and tasers and compressed his chest. Thomas pleaded with them to stop saying that he couldn’t breath and called out for his father to save him.

In the end the courageous duo of Ramos and Cicinelli saved the good citizens of Fullerton from the Great Schizophrenic Threat by beating him to death. Had they not done this Thomas might have spent years offending our sensibilities and digging through garbage cans. We are fortunate to have had this veritable human crime wave stopped in his tracks before he could dumpster dive again.


26 posted on 01/13/2014 7:03:51 PM PST by Pelham (Obamacare, the vanguard of Obammunism)
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To: AmericanHunter

I’m wondering what the judge’s instructions to the jury were?
“Disregard the video”?


27 posted on 01/13/2014 7:05:33 PM PST by FBD (My carbon footprint is bigger than yours)
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To: FBD

I will agree that no one deserved to die that night. Thankfully Ramos was terminated … or left. Ues, he appears to be a rouge officer. People like Thomas should have been forcibly removed from the streets with 92 altercations.

I’d love to know how the jury came down on the verdict.


28 posted on 01/13/2014 7:06:05 PM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: BunnySlippers

Did you watch the video???


29 posted on 01/13/2014 7:06:37 PM PST by Ken H (What happens on the internet, stays on the internet.)
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To: Scrambler Bob

I was thinking about a wrongful death lawsuit by the family.


30 posted on 01/13/2014 7:07:07 PM PST by pbear8 (the Lord is my light and my salvation)
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To: Pelham

http://ncwshooters.com/2nd-amendment-news/what-will-you-do-when-they-come-for-your-gun/

That about sums up the badge polishers.
They’re gonna really love when the cops come banging on their doors come gun confiscation time.


31 posted on 01/13/2014 7:11:19 PM PST by FBD (My carbon footprint is bigger than yours)
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To: Ken H

I last watched it just days after Kelly was killed. I did not watch or follow the trial.

I see all the officers are EX-officers. And that Ramos still faces a murder trial. Hopefully he will see justice.


32 posted on 01/13/2014 7:12:15 PM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: pbear8

I don’t see where there’s a financial lawsuit for an adult with no dependants, and without a guilty verdict in the criminal side, how could they prove wrongful death? Just asking, as I think them getting off scot free is a travesty of justice.


33 posted on 01/13/2014 7:16:10 PM PST by FBD (My carbon footprint is bigger than yours)
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To: FBD

“I’m wondering what the judge’s instructions to the jury were?
“Disregard the video”?”

It makes you wonder. The jury was instructed to ignore testimony that the officers acted within policy - after a forced records release in chambers. Certainly makes me think they were fired for violated policy. Regardless, there’s no justification that I can see for killing this man.


34 posted on 01/13/2014 7:16:28 PM PST by AmericanHunter
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To: BunnySlippers

Ramos faces another trial? ?? Are you sure about that? I think he’s free to look for another law enforcement job at this point. Trying him again would be double jeopardy.


35 posted on 01/13/2014 7:19:07 PM PST by FBD (My carbon footprint is bigger than yours)
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To: FBD

I’ll try and find the link.

BTW, I’m looking over closing arguments and am seeing one of the police trainers saying that the police used the usual techniques.

Also, in closing arguments, it is shown that Thomas never stops fighting and resisting arrest.

http://www.scpr.org/news/2014/01/08/41443/kelly-thomas-trial-closing-arguments-continue-wedn/


36 posted on 01/13/2014 7:24:32 PM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: AmericanHunter

The video of Ramos and Cicinelli vs Thomas:

http://tinyurl.com/cfvwwvd

Thomas is first seen fiddling with his hair in an obviously threatening fashion. Fortunately our stalwart defenders of law and order were there to beat down and crush this danger to civilization. Disregard his screams as he is tased and beaten.


37 posted on 01/13/2014 7:25:47 PM PST by Pelham (Obamacare, the vanguard of Obammunism)
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To: AmericanHunter

This entire town was in an uproar over this case. Councilmen were ousted, the mayor and chief of police fired, 3 officers terminated. And the judge didn’t let the jury know any of these facts. They should have allowed the police records opened to see the light of day. But this is how government runs today, from city hall to Washington DC. Complete secrecy and no accountability whatsoever.


38 posted on 01/13/2014 7:27:37 PM PST by FBD (My carbon footprint is bigger than yours)
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To: FBD; BunnySlippers

“Ramos faces another trial? ?? “

Not a chance. He was just given his beat-a-man-to-death free card by that jury.

He may have a Federal civil rights trial come his way but he gets to keep the one free murder.


39 posted on 01/13/2014 7:28:39 PM PST by Pelham (Obamacare, the vanguard of Obammunism)
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http://www.scpr.org/news/2013/12/11/40884/kelly-thomas-trial-prosecutors-rest-case-against-f/

It says “Ramos faces an additional count of 2nd degree murder”. Perhaps you can translate.


40 posted on 01/13/2014 7:31:52 PM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: BunnySlippers

“BTW, I’m looking over closing arguments and am seeing one of the police trainers saying that the police used the usual techniques.”

Personally, this is what I find most disturbing, that they would consider beating someone to death “usual techniques”. This was totally unnecessary.


41 posted on 01/13/2014 7:32:13 PM PST by AmericanHunter
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To: FBD

I believe that his parents are still alive.


42 posted on 01/13/2014 7:34:44 PM PST by pbear8 (the Lord is my light and my salvation)
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To: AmericanHunter
Pure evil. Reminds me of what Mother Teresa said at the Clinton Prayer Breakfast:
"And if we accept that a mother can kill even her own child, how can we tell other people not to kill one another?"

43 posted on 01/13/2014 7:35:32 PM PST by mlizzy ("If people spent an hour a week in Eucharistic Adoration, abortion would be ended." --Mother Teresa)
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To: Pelham; FBD

I do NOT think 2nd degree murder charges are forthcoming.


44 posted on 01/13/2014 7:36:03 PM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: FBD

“This entire town was in an uproar over this case. Councilmen were ousted, the mayor and chief of police fired, 3 officers terminated. And the judge didn’t let the jury know any of these facts. They should have allowed the police records opened to see the light of day. But this is how government runs today, from city hall to Washington DC. Complete secrecy and no accountability whatsoever.”

I thought this was particularly egregarious, since Kelly Thomas’ past was continuously introduced to the court. Why not the people that killed him? They are public servants, are they not?


45 posted on 01/13/2014 7:39:22 PM PST by AmericanHunter
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To: AmericanHunter

They even beat (pardon the pun) Involuntary Manslaughter.

I have not followed the case, so I can’t judge. Just stating what I heard on KFI, the former LA based Radio Station of Rush Limbaugh.


46 posted on 01/13/2014 7:40:53 PM PST by Kickass Conservative (Nobody owes you a living, so shut up and get back to work...)
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“It says ‘Ramos faces an additional count of 2nd degree murder’. Perhaps you can translate.”

Sure, I can translate. That article you cite is dated December 11th and it’s wrong.

Today, January 13th, Ramos was found not guilty of one count of manslaughter and not guilty of one count of 2nd degree murder.

That’s not guilty on both counts.


47 posted on 01/13/2014 7:40:53 PM PST by Pelham (Obamacare, the vanguard of Obammunism)
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To: Pelham

See post 44


48 posted on 01/13/2014 7:45:03 PM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: Chode

sure they do


49 posted on 01/13/2014 7:50:46 PM PST by terycarl
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To: BunnySlippers

A 2nd degree murder charge was part of this trial. Ramos was charged with manslaughter and with 2nd degree murder. He was found not guilty on both charges:

“Ramos was facing second-degree murder and involuntary manslaughter charges, and Cicinelli was charged with involuntary manslaughter and excessive use of force under the color of authority.”

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-live-verdict-in-kelly-thomas-police-murder-case-20140113,0,5661959.story#ixzz2qLE6pTnP


50 posted on 01/13/2014 7:51:21 PM PST by Pelham (Obamacare, the vanguard of Obammunism)
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