Skip to comments.Ex-Officers Found Not Guilty in Kelly Thomas’ Beating Death
Posted on 01/13/2014 6:01:03 PM PST by AmericanHunter
Find this hard to believe.
John and Ken are going to have a 50,000 watt fit.
“Find this hard to believe.”
I second that.
Wow, I wonder about civil charges.
Wait, that was another police beating.
“Find this hard to believe.”
You shouldn’t. The perp obviously had it coming to him. (/s)
“Find this hard to believe.”
Third! Also difficult to read being with background and such.
cops were white, but so was victim
Not really. Laymen tend to believe cops. Sad, The two bastards should be fired and sent to prison.
They did get fired. How they avoided prison for this unnecessary killing is beyond me.
Will the police be further emboldened by this verdict or will they become more fearful that the people will begin to think that the justice system is broken beyond repair? What happens then?
Read more: http://ktla.com/2014/01/13/verdict-reached-in-trial-of-ex-officers-in-kelly-thomas-death/#ixzz2qKsRb8Q1
Journalist must be a pothead.
Open season on citizens?
Kind of looks that way.
Jury took less than a day to convict.
I haven’t followed this case in a long, long time . but it sure seemed Freeoers did not take into account the problems this man;s homelessness caused for him.
“Will the police be further emboldened by this verdict or will they become more fearful that the people will begin to think that the justice system is broken beyond repair? What happens then?”
I guess we’ll get to find out. History has shown that thugs operating under color of law merely get bolder over time.
Since my virus protection went nuts when I came back to the thread ... I'll just say "Baby, you better slow down!"
To Serve and To Protect.
“I guess well get to find out. History has shown that thugs operating under color of law merely get bolder over time.”
I guess so. I have to believe there is a limit as to what people will accept though.
No one said this guy was a model citizen. But do you realize he was calm, unarmed and sober, sitting on the ground, when Ramos told him he was gonna f**k him up?
There’s NO justification for police beating any unarmed person to death. NONE.
“No one said this guy was a model citizen. But do you realize he was calm, unarmed and sober, sitting on the ground, when Ramos told him he was gonna f**k him up?
Theres NO justification for police beating any unarmed person to death. NONE.”
This is the puzzling part for me. There’s no question in my mind that they killed him, I just don’t understand how they could justify it.
” it sure seemed Freeoers did not take into account the problems this man;s homelessness caused for him.”
I knew homelessness was an eyesore for the rest of us. Didn’t know it was a Capital Crime.
Freepers in SoCal know a lot about the case. Thomas was a homeless schizophrenic man who weighed all of 135 pounds. He had been doing nothing violent or criminal when he was stopped by Officer Ramos for questioning.
Thomas was already known to Ramos. Ramos had Thomas sitting on the curb when Ramos proceeded to put on some vinyl gloves and announced to Thomas “I’m going to f*#& you up”.
Thomas resisted having the hell beat out of him. Ramos was joined by Officer Cicinelli as Ramos was “f*#&ing up” Thomas and they beat him in the head and face with fists and tasers and compressed his chest. Thomas pleaded with them to stop saying that he couldn’t breath and called out for his father to save him.
In the end the courageous duo of Ramos and Cicinelli saved the good citizens of Fullerton from the Great Schizophrenic Threat by beating him to death. Had they not done this Thomas might have spent years offending our sensibilities and digging through garbage cans. We are fortunate to have had this veritable human crime wave stopped in his tracks before he could dumpster dive again.
I’m wondering what the judge’s instructions to the jury were?
“Disregard the video”?
I will agree that no one deserved to die that night. Thankfully Ramos was terminated or left. Ues, he appears to be a rouge officer. People like Thomas should have been forcibly removed from the streets with 92 altercations.
I’d love to know how the jury came down on the verdict.
Did you watch the video???
I was thinking about a wrongful death lawsuit by the family.
That about sums up the badge polishers.
They’re gonna really love when the cops come banging on their doors come gun confiscation time.
I last watched it just days after Kelly was killed. I did not watch or follow the trial.
I see all the officers are EX-officers. And that Ramos still faces a murder trial. Hopefully he will see justice.
I don’t see where there’s a financial lawsuit for an adult with no dependants, and without a guilty verdict in the criminal side, how could they prove wrongful death? Just asking, as I think them getting off scot free is a travesty of justice.
“Im wondering what the judges instructions to the jury were?
Disregard the video?”
It makes you wonder. The jury was instructed to ignore testimony that the officers acted within policy - after a forced records release in chambers. Certainly makes me think they were fired for violated policy. Regardless, there’s no justification that I can see for killing this man.
Ramos faces another trial? ?? Are you sure about that? I think he’s free to look for another law enforcement job at this point. Trying him again would be double jeopardy.
I’ll try and find the link.
BTW, I’m looking over closing arguments and am seeing one of the police trainers saying that the police used the usual techniques.
Also, in closing arguments, it is shown that Thomas never stops fighting and resisting arrest.
The video of Ramos and Cicinelli vs Thomas:
Thomas is first seen fiddling with his hair in an obviously threatening fashion. Fortunately our stalwart defenders of law and order were there to beat down and crush this danger to civilization. Disregard his screams as he is tased and beaten.
This entire town was in an uproar over this case. Councilmen were ousted, the mayor and chief of police fired, 3 officers terminated. And the judge didn’t let the jury know any of these facts. They should have allowed the police records opened to see the light of day. But this is how government runs today, from city hall to Washington DC. Complete secrecy and no accountability whatsoever.
“Ramos faces another trial? ?? “
Not a chance. He was just given his beat-a-man-to-death free card by that jury.
He may have a Federal civil rights trial come his way but he gets to keep the one free murder.
It says “Ramos faces an additional count of 2nd degree murder”. Perhaps you can translate.
“BTW, Im looking over closing arguments and am seeing one of the police trainers saying that the police used the usual techniques.”
Personally, this is what I find most disturbing, that they would consider beating someone to death “usual techniques”. This was totally unnecessary.
I believe that his parents are still alive.
"And if we accept that a mother can kill even her own child, how can we tell other people not to kill one another?"
I do NOT think 2nd degree murder charges are forthcoming.
“This entire town was in an uproar over this case. Councilmen were ousted, the mayor and chief of police fired, 3 officers terminated. And the judge didnt let the jury know any of these facts. They should have allowed the police records opened to see the light of day. But this is how government runs today, from city hall to Washington DC. Complete secrecy and no accountability whatsoever.”
I thought this was particularly egregarious, since Kelly Thomas’ past was continuously introduced to the court. Why not the people that killed him? They are public servants, are they not?
They even beat (pardon the pun) Involuntary Manslaughter.
I have not followed the case, so I can’t judge. Just stating what I heard on KFI, the former LA based Radio Station of Rush Limbaugh.
“It says ‘Ramos faces an additional count of 2nd degree murder’. Perhaps you can translate.”
Sure, I can translate. That article you cite is dated December 11th and it’s wrong.
Today, January 13th, Ramos was found not guilty of one count of manslaughter and not guilty of one count of 2nd degree murder.
That’s not guilty on both counts.
See post 44
sure they do
A 2nd degree murder charge was part of this trial. Ramos was charged with manslaughter and with 2nd degree murder. He was found not guilty on both charges:
“Ramos was facing second-degree murder and involuntary manslaughter charges, and Cicinelli was charged with involuntary manslaughter and excessive use of force under the color of authority.”
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