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How was bridge closing supposed to hurt mayor?

Posted on 01/14/2014 8:03:09 AM PST by 429CJ

I don't understand something about the Chris Cristy/bridge thing. The lanes were closed supposedly to get revenge on the mayor of the small town for not endorsing Cristy. But HOW was that supposed to hurt him? Was it believed that the citizens of that town would blame the mayor for the traffic mess? One would assume that they knew that highway problems would not be his fault. It seems like vandalizing your next door neighbor's car to get revenge on the man across the street. What am I missing here?


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1 posted on 01/14/2014 8:03:09 AM PST by 429CJ
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To: 429CJ

It wasn’t a terribly well thought-out plan. If anything, I think it was probably something like a show of force - “mess with us, and we can shut your town down.”


2 posted on 01/14/2014 8:05:21 AM PST by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: 429CJ

The intent, I think, is to hurt the people who elected the mayor and/or enrage the voters against the mayor....yes it is petty


3 posted on 01/14/2014 8:07:01 AM PST by virgil283 (When the sun spins, the cross appears, and the skies burn red)
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To: 429CJ

The only thing I can think up was that it was an attempt to hurt business in the town. I know when I run into traffic delays I certainly wouldn’t blame the mayor of the town nearest to the highway, that would just be stupid.


4 posted on 01/14/2014 8:08:19 AM PST by apillar
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To: 429CJ

I asked that same question on another forum the day after it broke. Never got an answer.

If I’m in a freeway traffic jam in the Twin Cities I don’t think “That dang Mayor of Coon Rapids. I’d sure like to give him a piece of my mind!”


5 posted on 01/14/2014 8:08:26 AM PST by DManA
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To: Conscience of a Conservative

My question is how will Krispy’s points be divvied up? He was ahead in a FNC poll with 16%, I think, with Cruz, Paul, Ryan and others at 12%.

Cui Bono with this scandal?


6 posted on 01/14/2014 8:09:07 AM PST by txhurl
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To: 429CJ

This may be reaching, but around here, when there are inconvenient and/or poorly planned traffic delays for road construction or whatever, people seem to blame the mayor. The annoyances may be remembered at the ballot box.


7 posted on 01/14/2014 8:09:33 AM PST by NEMDF
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To: virgil283

I would think that if disgruntled citizens called City Hall they would have been given the number of the Bridge Authority, the people who shut down the lanes.

And if I’d been answering phones at City Hall I’d have told the caller to call me back and tell me what they say ‘cause I’m mad as heck about it too.


8 posted on 01/14/2014 8:10:54 AM PST by DManA
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To: 429CJ

It seems like the venal gravy-sucking pigs who did this might not have been so well-thought-out.


9 posted on 01/14/2014 8:11:02 AM PST by Wolfie
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To: txhurl

“My question is how will Krispy’s points be divvied up?

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Polls at this point are name recognition. Meaningless.


10 posted on 01/14/2014 8:11:12 AM PST by peyton randolph (Show me the man and I will find the crime. - Lavrenti Beria)
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To: txhurl

If it was a city street, yes of course. This is an interstate bridge. I think most people know a mayor has no control over that.


11 posted on 01/14/2014 8:11:53 AM PST by DManA
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To: 429CJ

Sokolich wrote to Baroni on Sept. 12 that not only did the Authority’s decision “wreak havoc’’ on Fort Lee, but “adding insult to injury, many members of the public have indicated to me that the Port Authority Police Officers are advising commuters in response to their complaints that this traffic debacle is the result of a decision that I, as the Mayor, recently made.”

http://www.politickernj.com/70744/sokolich-baroni-commuters-say-port-authority-police-blaming-me


12 posted on 01/14/2014 8:12:07 AM PST by Fuzz
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To: NEMDF

I guess this is a new one on me....I don’t remember blaming anyone when I was in a traffic jam!!


13 posted on 01/14/2014 8:12:44 AM PST by ontap
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To: txhurl

59% approval in this poll:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3111321/posts


14 posted on 01/14/2014 8:14:13 AM PST by DManA
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To: peyton randolph

No, they’re not, but who of Cruz’ competitors stands to gain the most from a Krispy implosion?

I’m leaning Ryan thinks he does.


15 posted on 01/14/2014 8:14:17 AM PST by txhurl
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To: 429CJ
Someone here posted that they saw Rachel Maddow of all people connect an interesting set of dots. At the time Christie was in the middle of a big fight with democrats over a Supreme Court nominee and the day before the "traffic problems" e-mail went out he exploded about how the dems opposing his nominee were animals. The leader of that dem oppposition in the State Senate was from the district where Fort Lee is. Coincidence? Maybe but I think using the bridge as leverage to punish a political opponent makes more sense than trying to punish a dem mayor for not endorsing a RINO governor.

Here's a link:
Maybe even Rachel Maddow can get one right sometimes

16 posted on 01/14/2014 8:18:52 AM PST by pepsi_junkie (Who is John Galt?)
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To: 429CJ

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/13/nyregion/investigating-political-hack-work-near-the-george-washington-bridge.html?_r=0


17 posted on 01/14/2014 8:22:38 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: 429CJ

Just one of the many questions. I have wondered the same thing.


18 posted on 01/14/2014 8:31:47 AM PST by babble-on
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To: 429CJ

Be honest with the assignment. I haven’t watched the video, but my guess is that David does ‘get it’ and disagrees. Write the paper about why you relate to him and then argue well against the BS.


19 posted on 01/14/2014 8:32:58 AM PST by AD from SpringBay (http://jonah2eight.blogspot.com/)
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To: AD from SpringBay

Disregard the above. Wrong thread...


20 posted on 01/14/2014 8:33:33 AM PST by AD from SpringBay (http://jonah2eight.blogspot.com/)
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To: 429CJ

Christie’s bud, the one that took the 5th, was at the bridge at 7 am on the first day it was shut down.Would be great to have a pic to see who he was with...and if they resembled Cheshire cats.


21 posted on 01/14/2014 8:33:44 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: DManA
"if disgruntled citizens called City Hall"...Where I lived awhile back, had a portion of interstate, about one mile, that was unfinished. When that county didn't vote for the new Governor, He kept back the funding as long as he was in office. It was so bad a popular local radio team called the unfinished portion the 'governors memorial dead-end'.....but he got away with it.
22 posted on 01/14/2014 8:34:12 AM PST by virgil283 (When the sun spins, the cross appears, and the skies burn red)
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To: 429CJ

It wasn’t like he shut down the government like Obama did so what’s the beef.


23 posted on 01/14/2014 8:35:32 AM PST by Vaduz
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To: DManA

Having worked in local government you would be surprised at what people call about and think their taxes pay for. Here are a few examples and my responses:

Request: city workers to come over to their house and clean up the tumbleweeds from the last wind storm.

Response: We don’t provide workers to clean up private property.

Request: Come spray the ants in my yard and I know the city sprays for them.

Response: The city does not spray for ants and this is a private property issue. I also gave her the number of several exterminators from the phone book

Request: Storm water runoff coming down my driveway

Response: Water runs down hill

Request: trim their hedges

Response: We don’t provide workers to clean up private property.

Request: the city shut off their water on Friday and they couldn’t pay their bill because city hall was closed on Fridays.

Response: Water is shut off on Tuesdays and only after you are 2 months in arrears. There is a also a drop box for your payment that is checked hourly during regular office hours/days. The city created a new ordinance that provided 5 extra grace period days because of the 4-10 work week.

Request: How come you changed the lane striping and signage on my street. It’s confusing

Response: All of the city striping and signage must conform to the Manual on Uniform Traffic Control Devices (MUTCD) and if you have ever driven in (name the city) it is the same there.

Of course this is when they take the time to call city hall. It is worse trying to explain to the mayor or elected officials at a city council meetings these same responses and having to cite to them the ordinances, resolutions, and others laws that staff is required to abide/enforce, some of which were enacted by them!


24 posted on 01/14/2014 8:36:37 AM PST by shotgun
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To: 429CJ

I have been making that same comment on the various Christie threads.

I think I have an answer.

The ‘geniuses’ at the DNC who are prepping for Hillary’s Prez Run were worried about Christie running.

They saw the reaction of the public to Obama closing various public landmarks, and noticed the ‘right’ using it to attack Obama (which makes sense, btw)

So.... they copied that premise and tried to use it to attack Christie. Even though it doesn’t apply.

The idea that Christie or one of his aids could simply arrange to have a major construction crew show up to close the bridge, based on a political whim, seems very ludicrous.

Major construction such as lane closures on a bridge are planned and scheduled far in advance of the actual closure, and their had to be some kind of repair needed, else it would not have even been considered.

Back to your point. The only ‘way’ that I can see people blaming the Mayor (when his office wasn’t even responsible for the lane closure) is because that’s what the media ‘reporters’ wrote in their articles. Other than that, the ‘idea’ has no standing at all.


25 posted on 01/14/2014 8:36:45 AM PST by UCANSEE2 (I forgot what my tagline was supposed to say)
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To: DManA
If I’m in a freeway traffic jam in the Twin Cities I don’t think “That dang Mayor of Coon Rapids. I’d sure like to give him a piece of my mind!”

The only thing I think of, during a traffic jam, is the other idiots around me who try to force their way 'ahead' in traffic (switching from lane to lane), and who then slow down and 'rubberneck' while passing the construction work. Which is what most accidents in traffic jams are caused by.

26 posted on 01/14/2014 8:40:28 AM PST by UCANSEE2 (I forgot what my tagline was supposed to say)
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To: shotgun

I have inlaws that work for a city. They have stories.


27 posted on 01/14/2014 8:42:57 AM PST by DManA
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To: virgil283

The last link of I35E in St. Paul was graded and ready to pave when nearby citizens raised such a stink that it sat like that for a good 10 years. Finally a compromise was made. They paved and opened the freeway but set the speed limit at 45mph.

A local radio personality calls it the “practice freeway”.


28 posted on 01/14/2014 8:45:05 AM PST by DManA
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To: UCANSEE2

I believe you are correct as “Monkey see, Monkey do”, and “Projection” are quite common Leftist/Democrat tendencies.


29 posted on 01/14/2014 8:55:45 AM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will. They ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: Conscience of a Conservative

I think it was all about business, no on/off ramps working without huge delays=no shopping or gas or restaurant traffic, etc.


30 posted on 01/14/2014 9:02:21 AM PST by GizzyGirl
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To: Fuzz
this traffic debacle is the result of a decision that I, as the Mayor, recently made.

And that would be true. That reason was explicit. The mayor did not endorse Christie. THEREFORE the bridge was restricted and tied up. That sort of politics is SOP in certain venues like DC(local), Chicago, Maryland, Nevada, Cakifornia, DC(fedgov), St Louis, Kansas City, and a few etcs.

31 posted on 01/14/2014 9:09:08 AM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINEhttp://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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The G W Bridge is a huge revenue producer. Over 100,000 vehicles cross it daily taking in a reported $1 million a day. With New Jersey politics the way they are the somebodys gotta have a hand in it’s operation and share in the revenue. Very likely Fort Lee pols have a big share of this in city and their pocket revenues.


32 posted on 01/14/2014 9:14:58 AM PST by mosesdapoet (Serious contribution pause.Please continue onto meaningless venting no one reads.)
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33 posted on 01/14/2014 9:15:10 AM PST by MeshugeMikey ( Help fight The Neo Stalinists! Donate to your Free Republic)
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To: arthurus

That is a non sequitur. What does closing the bridge have to do with closing the lanes (see the question asked in the main post).


34 posted on 01/14/2014 9:27:28 AM PST by DManA
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To: arthurus

Sorry let me try that again:

That is a non sequitur. What does closing the bridge have to do with the non endorsement? (see the question asked in the main post).


35 posted on 01/14/2014 9:28:30 AM PST by DManA
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To: 429CJ

“It seems like vandalizing your next door neighbor’s car to get revenge on the man across the street. What am I missing here?”

It’s the same logic as Christie supporting building the 9/11 jihadi memorial mosque next to Ground Zero, or giving in-state tuition breaks to illegal aliens.

Or hugging Barack Obowmao on national TV days before the last election after earlier giving the keynote address at the RNC convention where Christie couldn’t be bothered to mention the republican candidate’s name even once.

IOW it’s what stupid, fat RINOS do and why they are as dangerous as Dems.


36 posted on 01/14/2014 9:33:14 AM PST by Yehuda (Pres Obortion, Sen.McAnus, Hillary Abedin Clinton all kiss the *ss of the muslim brotherhood. A)
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To: DManA
That is a non sequitur.
..(see the question asked in the main post).
..this is a Preemptive strike @ any Challengers to the any..
'Rat candidate(s)...to cause any disruption in the GOP ranks.

37 posted on 01/14/2014 9:35:20 AM PST by skinkinthegrass (The end move in politics is always to pick up a gun..0'Caligula / 0'Reid / 0'Pelosi :-)
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To: Yehuda

This whole episode has revealed Krispy for what he is: a trojan horse from the RATS..


38 posted on 01/14/2014 9:38:54 AM PST by txhurl
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To: DManA

The mayor didn’t endorse as he was told to do so he was served up some annoyance for his town. What is to understand? It is crude quid payback. Politicians in places like New Jersey do that all the time. It is SOP. It only becomes petty and stupid when it gets national publicity which Christie did not expect because such things are never publicized by MSM because they are so totally normal in machine states and cities. Christie did not take account of his position as a Contender in 2016 and the effect that fact would have on MSM. That shows that Christie is not only an unsavory big government coercive pol but not terribly bright also.


39 posted on 01/14/2014 9:42:43 AM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINEhttp://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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To: arthurus

What is to understand?

How did it hurt the mayor?


40 posted on 01/14/2014 9:44:05 AM PST by DManA
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To: UCANSEE2

Were the lanes closed by traffic cones or Jersey barriers? Cones wouldn’t take heavy construction crews.

If there were cones, those might be, ahem, nudged, crushed, flung, so possibly North Jersey drivers are more patient and rule-abiding than I knew.


41 posted on 01/14/2014 9:53:58 AM PST by heartwood
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To: DManA
It didn't hurt the mayor. It annoyed him. That is all that is required for the moment. Some kind of payback is required in any situation where a lesser pol doesn't jump to the bigger pol's tune. It may not appear to hurt but sserves as a warning. Sometimes a bridge gets closed, sometimes a car blows up or hits a tree or maybe a pet gets pơisoned. Something unpleasant has to happen. You must live in a small town or rurally if this is all such a mystery to you.
42 posted on 01/14/2014 10:05:14 AM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINEhttp://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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Twin Cities. I don’t blame the mayor of the adjacent city for problems on a freeway. I don’t know anyone who does.


43 posted on 01/14/2014 10:07:19 AM PST by DManA
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To: UCANSEE2

The GWB lane closures were in September. The park and monument closures were in October. So the DNC geniuses in your theory were able to see the future?


44 posted on 01/14/2014 10:25:29 AM PST by Lisbon1940
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To: DManA

You really don’t think politicians can be petty, do you? They are all noble servants of the Republic, right?


45 posted on 01/14/2014 10:26:03 AM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINEhttp://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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To: arthurus

The question is how did closing the lanes on the bridge hurt the mayor.

Question not answered by you.


46 posted on 01/14/2014 10:45:28 AM PST by DManA
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To: DManA

It obviously did not work and actually backfired adding stupidity and incompetence to what was already petty abuse of power, misallocation of resources and childish vindictiveness.


47 posted on 01/14/2014 11:13:12 AM PST by Fuzz
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To: DManA

It did not hurt the mayor. It was to annoy him and to warn him. How is that not an answer? opr did you have a particular answer in mind that the interlocutee must give to be an answer? in which case I am sorry , I could not possibly know the particular words you require.


48 posted on 01/14/2014 11:41:28 AM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINEhttp://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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To: 429CJ

maybe some of the crony-capitalist RINOS among Christies top aids actually understood the lane closures would be a net political positive for the mayor, as no one but no one locally thinks, or would have thought, any of it was under his control

we learned months ago, in other circumstances, where our political opponents were made part of soome GOP staff - like the fornmer Soros open borders guy who became a top staffer to Rubio’s staff

maybe there are such “moles” who went with Christie just to get his confidence, not that they cared one twit about any policy position of his - maybe they will be seen in the months ahead joining those rooting for Billary

well; we can be paranoid can’t we? /LOL


49 posted on 01/14/2014 12:29:18 PM PST by Wuli
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To: Lisbon1940
So the DNC geniuses in your theory were able to see the future?

Did this 'closure' get media attention back in September, or after October ?

50 posted on 01/15/2014 6:51:35 AM PST by UCANSEE2 (I forgot what my tagline was supposed to say)
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