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Irony: Kagan Compares Abortion Clinics to Slaughterhouses at Supreme Court
Life News ^ | Matthew Clark

Posted on 01/15/2014 3:03:14 PM PST by Morgana

Do pro-life Americans have free speech rights – the right to quietly talk to willing passerby’s on the street corner – or are the public sidewalks surrounding abortion clinics somehow speech free zones impervious to the protections of the First Amendment?

That is the precise question considered by the Supreme Court today in McCullen v. Coakley.

Pro-abortion legislators in Massachusetts passed legislation making it illegal for anyone to speak on the public sidewalks – otherwise known as exercising the First Amendment – within 35 feet of abortion clinics. Illegal that is for everyone but employees of the abortion clinics.

Today’s case was the epitome of the abortion distortion – the fact that abortion changes the calculus of longstanding legal principles.

It is axiomatic in Supreme Court jurisprudence that public sidewalks are open public fora. In other words, your free speech rights are guaranteed on public sidewalks. For the government to prove otherwise, they would have to show that any restriction is based on some overwhelming or compelling government interest and that the restriction they wish to place on that speech is limited or narrowly tailored in such a way that it imposes the smallest imposition reasonably possible on your free speech.

Just because the government doesn’t like your speech or agree with it does not mean that they get to restrict it – not liking it is not a compelling interest and banning it is not narrowly tailored.

That’s First Amendment law in a nutshell … in every case that is but abortion. Regarding abortion the rules too often become distorted in favor of abortion and against pro-life viewpoints. To some, the First Amendment just doesn’t cover pro-life speech.

That abortion distortion was front and center today.

For years before this pro-abortion restriction passed, Eleanor McCullen, an elderly pro-life sidewalk counselor, had ministered to women seeking an abortion. She would kindly and quietly counsel women approaching abortion clinics about the value of human life, even helping them find assistance from pro-life groups when they chose to keep their babies. She was literally saving lives. And she is one of the nicest women you would ever hope to meet; I had the privilege of meeting her today at our office after the oral argument (pictured above along with a fellow plaintiff Father Eric Cadin, standing behind her).

After the statue passed, Mrs. McCullen’s ministry was essentially shut down. Refusing to be silenced, she challenged this unconstitutional law.

Most disturbing about this case though is that it was not just Massachusetts defending this pro-abortion law, the Obama Administration sent its lawyers to the Supreme Court to argue that this anti-pro-life speech law in no way violated the Constitution.

At one point the Obama Administration’s lawyer actually argued that there was no such thing a right to conduct a quite conversation on a public sidewalk. Justice Kennedy was baffled.

In a painfully ironic moment, Justice Kagan compared abortion clinics to slaughterhouses, asking what if this statute had been written about slaughterhouses to keep animal rights activists from blocking the entrance and exits.

Jaws dropped throughout the Courtroom when she said that. The comparison is eerie, as abortion clinics take the lives of millions of unborn Americans each year.

This case should be decided later this summer, and a lot rides on the Court’s opinion. Will it uphold free speech or will it continue to promulgate the abortion distortion?

Fourteen years ago, ACLJ Chief Counsel Jay Sekulow argued an almost identical case, Hill v. Colorado. Importantly, it was a case in which Justice Kennedy issued a stinging dissenting opinion on the side of pro-life speech stating that the court’s ruling upholding a similar buffer zone “contradict[ed] more than a half century of well-established First Amendment principles.” The three dissenting voices in Hill, Justices Kennedy, Scalia, and Thomas, remain on the Court today.

While it is never safe to make a presumption about a case based on oral argument, there were a number of justices who questioned the constitutionality of this Massachusetts statute.

Today, Justices Kennedy, Scalia, and Alito were highly critical of the Massachusetts statue. Even Justice Kagan, seemed concerned about how far this particular law went, asking why a 35-foot buffer zone, why so large, saying that the buffer zone would be almost as large as the Courtroom. However, Justice Kagan, like Justice Sotomayor, took a more nuanced approach in their questions. Justices Breyer and Ginsburg who are the only Justices from the Hill majority still on the Court, appeared dismissive of the pro-life arguments.

Justice Thomas, who is traditionally silent during oral argument, did not have any questions, but surprisingly Chief Justice Roberts didn’t say a word during the course of oral arguments.

We filed an amicus brief in this case, arguing in no uncertain terms that Hill was wrongly decided and that pro-life free speech should hold the same place as other free speech under the Constitution.

Pro-life sidewalk counselors like Mrs. McCullen and Father Cadin should not be treated as second-class citizens. The public sidewalks outside of abortion clinics should no longer be speech free zones for those with pro-life views, but should be constitutionally protected free speech zones for all Americans.


TOPICS: Society
KEYWORDS: abortion; eleanormccullen; kagan; massachusetts; prolife; slaughterhouse
Once in a while they slip the truth.
1 posted on 01/15/2014 3:03:14 PM PST by Morgana
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To: Morgana
C'mon Supremes, let's be pro-choice and overturn Roe vs Wade and let the states decide as they did before 1973. That's the real pro-choice argument for abortion - let states regulate abortion.

I don't know why Republicans don't frame the argument as this, they'd win every time.

2 posted on 01/15/2014 3:06:57 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (15 years of FReeping! Congratulations EEE!!)
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To: Morgana
I am anxious about this Free Speech decision pending at the US Supreme Court.

It sounds like the Colorado as well as the Massachusetts law may be overturned (allowing Abortion Clinics to set up a buffer zone VOIDING free speech in that area).

3 posted on 01/15/2014 3:09:59 PM PST by topher (Traditional values -- especially family values -- which have been proven over time.)
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To: Morgana

Irony is so ironic.


4 posted on 01/15/2014 3:10:02 PM PST by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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To: Morgana

Any Constitution-free Zone should be thrown out, but sounds like SCOTUS is okay with them


5 posted on 01/15/2014 3:11:18 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: Morgana

They have no problem with naked feminists running into a church and throwing red paint at the altar I bet, but let someone blaspheme the leftist holy sites and No Speech Zones are okay


6 posted on 01/15/2014 3:12:46 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: Morgana

They need to get over the meme of “...blocking entrances and exits...”

It is NOT about “blocking” anything.

Having said that, I’d like to clean up the “pro-life” act we have going in Denver, that focuses on shouting HELL AND DAMNATION to already stressed out mothers.
(coming from guys who look like they just shuffled over from the rescue mission)

They need a message of love and help and a clear path to options.


7 posted on 01/15/2014 3:15:10 PM PST by G Larry
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To: Morgana
First Sotomayor appearing to side with Catholic nuns regarding the birth control mandate and now this.Maybe...just *maybe*....the have a glimmer of decency in them.
8 posted on 01/15/2014 3:16:38 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (Osama Obama Care: A Religion That Will Have You On Your Knees!)
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To: topher

The only solution is to SHUT DOWN these facilities, or preferably BURN THEM.


9 posted on 01/15/2014 3:17:34 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: Morgana

I wonder where Juan “Traitor” Roberts is on this one. Probably depends on whether it’s covered in the blackmail agreement or not. Sounds like Kennedy’s in the bag. Not that it really matters; I’d trade this one for the OsamaScare ruling in a nanosecond.


10 posted on 01/15/2014 3:18:02 PM PST by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

I have been pleasantly surprised at both kagan and sotomayor a couple of times. Now if they would just listen a little more to Scalia and Thomas, we might have a real court.


11 posted on 01/15/2014 3:18:02 PM PST by MestaMachine (My caps work. You gotta earn them.)
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To: Morgana

Kagan MAY understand that the abortuaries are benefitted most by unscrupulous MEN...


12 posted on 01/15/2014 3:19:45 PM PST by goodnesswins (R.I.P. Doherty, Smith, Stevens, Woods.)
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To: Morgana

http://gregbrannon.com/


13 posted on 01/15/2014 3:22:43 PM PST by JSDude1 (Defeat Hagan, elect a Constutional Conservative: Dr. Greg Brannon!)
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To: Viennacon

Just Nuke ‘em...


14 posted on 01/15/2014 3:26:56 PM PST by topher (Traditional values -- especially family values -- which have been proven over time.)
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To: Morgana
Why has it come to this? Why do we let 9 Americans tell the rest of us what the Constitution says? The language isn't that confusing, nor is the interpretation that twisted.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

That's it. Congress shall make no law...abridging the freedom of speech. Free speech is absolute, as is the press, peaceable assembly and petitioning the government. I don't need a bunch of politically appointed Ivy-leaguers to tell me what it means.

15 posted on 01/15/2014 3:28:02 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Morgana

Perhaps it was no accident.


16 posted on 01/15/2014 3:39:58 PM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: Morgana

Maybe not ironic. I’ve been reading numerous things saying she is authentically anti-abortion.


17 posted on 01/15/2014 3:44:24 PM PST by DManA
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To: Morgana

*GASP*


18 posted on 01/15/2014 3:45:31 PM PST by matginzac
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To: Morgana

I hope your amicus brief spelled the word “statute.”


19 posted on 01/15/2014 4:06:59 PM PST by NCLaw441
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To: Morgana
Most disturbing about this case though is that it was not just Massachusetts defending this pro-abortion law, the Obama Administration sent its lawyers to the Supreme Court to argue that this anti-pro-life speech law in no way violated the Constitution.

Wonder what these evil scumbags are up too...?

There is an means to an end here...positive it's not a good one...

20 posted on 01/15/2014 4:23:02 PM PST by Popman ("Resistance to Tyrants is Obedience to God" - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: topher

Chick-fil-A is entitled to “buffer zones” under the reasoning of these laws.


21 posted on 01/15/2014 4:26:45 PM PST by ChildOfThe60s ((If you can remember the 60s.....you weren't really there)
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To: ChildOfThe60s

and striking workers should be kept well way from what they are striking against too


22 posted on 01/15/2014 4:28:19 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: GeronL

My guess is that Kagan is thinking about a LOT of liberal loon protestors that will road kill on the slippery slope of these laws, if upheld.

You can bet her concerns are not about unborn children.


23 posted on 01/15/2014 4:33:40 PM PST by ChildOfThe60s ((If you can remember the 60s.....you weren't really there)
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To: Morgana

One of the great mysteries of the Supreme Court is that, while some presidents want to nominate serious justices, they get ideologues; and sometimes when they want to appoint ideologues, they get serious justices. Even at that level they cannot peer into someone’s heart.

And justices do persuade each other of many things.

But imagine the surprise if one or more of the Obama justices turned out to be more reasoned than he wanted.


24 posted on 01/15/2014 4:46:22 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (There Is Still A Very Hot War On Terror, Just Not On The MSM. Rantburg.com)
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To: ChildOfThe60s

bump


25 posted on 01/15/2014 4:49:33 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: MestaMachine

You are exactly right. I am impressed by stances both have taken in several cases. Considering who nominated both of them, it seems better to praise their good calls more and damn their expected calls less. When someone is heading in your general direction when you don’t expect it, don’t discourage it.


26 posted on 01/15/2014 4:52:53 PM PST by Tom D.
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To: Morgana

Can one be arrested for discussing the Red Sox on that sidewalk?


27 posted on 01/15/2014 5:02:23 PM PST by cookcounty (IRS = Internal Revenge Service.)
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To: Morgana

Probably their argument is that there is some sort of heightened possibility of violence, but in that case, there should also be restrictions on the approaches to bars and liquor stores, which in fact are much more likely to become violent scenes.


28 posted on 01/15/2014 5:06:46 PM PST by cookcounty (IRS = Internal Revenge Service.)
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To: Morgana

Speaking out against abortion in front of an abortion clinic is the definition of “fighting words” to a liberal.


29 posted on 01/15/2014 5:09:42 PM PST by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: ChildOfThe60s

will road kill = will become road kill


30 posted on 01/15/2014 7:22:15 PM PST by ChildOfThe60s ((If you can remember the 60s.....you weren't really there)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...
Pro-abortion legislators in Massachusetts passed legislation making it illegal for anyone to speak on the public sidewalks – otherwise known as exercising the First Amendment – within 35 feet of abortion clinics. Illegal that is for everyone but employees of the abortion clinics.
Thanks Morgana.
31 posted on 01/15/2014 7:23:18 PM PST by SunkenCiv (;http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: Morgana; a fool in paradise
Even a broken clock can be right once a day!


32 posted on 01/15/2014 7:25:28 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Tom D.

Maybe Kagan and the wise Latino are evolving? These justices never have to face the voters - they are appointed for life terms, so, if they are appointed they can possibly disguise their true feelings until after they get seated. I’m reminded of Sandra Day O’Connor, appointed by Ronald Reagan and what a disappointment she turned out to be. So, maybe there is some hope for these 2 after all. And, I believe there is a special place reserved in hell for Ruth Gingsberg.


33 posted on 01/15/2014 9:20:53 PM PST by Catsrus (A)
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To: Morgana

Not argueing about abortion but this case seems quite simple. This side of the line is public property, that side of the line is private.


34 posted on 01/16/2014 6:45:20 AM PST by Organic Panic
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