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Nasa reveal plans for the biggest rocket ever made to take man to Mars..
UK Daily Mail ^ | January 15, 2014 | Mark Prigg

Posted on 01/16/2014 5:20:49 AM PST by C19fan

It is set to become the largest rocket ever built, dwarfing the rockets that took man to the moon and paving the way for manned missions to Mars. Nasa today reveal stunning new pictures of its SLS (Space Launch System), which will eventually be capable of lifting 130 tonnes into orbit. The rocket will be used to ferry astronauts to the International Space Station, and to help us explore the outer reaches of the solar system. It is even hoped the craft could play a role in manned missions to Mars, being able to launch 'stepping stone' bases into orbit.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Science
KEYWORDS: mars; moon; nasa; orion; rocket; sls; spaceexploration; spacelaunchsystem
It is ever completed will be a great sight to see launched.
1 posted on 01/16/2014 5:20:49 AM PST by C19fan
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To: C19fan
Is it going to use alternative energy?

Is it sustainable?

Can it be used to nuke Mecca?

2 posted on 01/16/2014 5:22:16 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: C19fan

If they don’t sink the continental shelf doing it!


3 posted on 01/16/2014 5:23:03 AM PST by Mouton (The insurrection laws perpetuate what we have for a government now.)
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To: C19fan

Has NASA’s muslim outreach office announced a launch date for the Mars mission as yet? Didn’t think so.


4 posted on 01/16/2014 5:26:48 AM PST by muir_redwoods (When I first read it, " Atlas Shrugged" was fiction)
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To: C19fan

The mighty Saturn V rocket that took the United States to the Moon had a lift capacity of 260,000 lb (120,000 kg) to low-Earth orbit. That’s 130 tons, or 116 “tonnes.”


5 posted on 01/16/2014 5:27:47 AM PST by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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To: C19fan

US Won’t Lead New Manned Moon Landings, NASA Chief Says

http://www.space.com/20557-nasa-moon-missions-bolden.html

NASA chief Charles Bolden says the space agency won’t be sending astronauts to land on the moon any time soon, according to press reports.

The U.S. space agency won’t lead the way back to the moon in the foreseeable future in order to maintain its focus on manned missions to an asteroid, and eventually Mars, Bolden said during a joint meeting of the Space Studies Board and the Aeronautics and Space Engineering Board last Thursday (April 4), according to a SpacePolitics.com report by Jeff Foust.

“NASA will not take the lead on a human lunar mission,” Foust quoted Bolden as saying. “NASA is not going to the moon with a human as a primary project probably in my lifetime. And the reason is, we can only do so many things.”

Instead, he said the focus would remain on human missions to asteroids and to Mars. “We intend to do that, and we think it can be done,” Bolden said.


6 posted on 01/16/2014 5:34:32 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; me = independent conservative)
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To: C19fan; All
Kewl video.

Question...what are those three towers that surround the launch pad, and are the same height? I don't recall seeing anything like that for Saturn or the shuttle.

7 posted on 01/16/2014 5:34:34 AM PST by ken5050 (This space available cheap...)
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To: Steely Tom
The mighty Saturn V rocket that took the United States to the Moon had a lift capacity of 260,000 lb (120,000 kg) to low-Earth orbit. That’s 130 tons, or 116 “tonnes.”

So in other words NASA is prepared to spend tens of billions of dollars to deliver a rocket probably 3 years late and more billions over budget that can do what the Saturn V could do?

8 posted on 01/16/2014 5:34:42 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: Jack Hydrazine

We need to keep an eye on the moon.

It is close enough, China may develop it as a weapons base.

Just saying. Not likely, but we should not turn away from the largest, closest space neighbor we have.


9 posted on 01/16/2014 5:38:38 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2013)
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To: ken5050

Lightning towers. They are near every launch pad to deflect lightning strikes away from the vehicle.


10 posted on 01/16/2014 5:40:58 AM PST by GOP_Party_Animal
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To: C19fan

Their was a story in one of the Florida papers this morning, the gist of it was the SLS (and NASA as a whole) faired really well under the buget passed by the House yesterday, NASA had request 1.7 Billion for construction of the SLS system in 2014, the Budget gave them 2.2 Billion....


11 posted on 01/16/2014 5:52:09 AM PST by apillar
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To: C19fan
Quantity over quality? Smells like Obama’s methodology! Geezers!
12 posted on 01/16/2014 6:01:56 AM PST by SIRTRIS
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To: GOP_Party_Animal

May or may not have helped out with Apollo 12.


13 posted on 01/16/2014 6:09:21 AM PST by NCC-1701 (I am proud of what America USED TO BE.)
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To: C19fan

My niece is working on this program now.


14 posted on 01/16/2014 6:16:22 AM PST by TomServo
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To: C19fan

I wonder about its carbon footprint?


15 posted on 01/16/2014 6:17:42 AM PST by Real Cynic No More (Border Fence Obamacare!)
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To: DoodleDawg

The Saturn V couldn’t take a person to Mars.


16 posted on 01/16/2014 6:17:59 AM PST by TomServo
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To: C19fan

As Archimedes once said, give me a rocket big enough and a website to watch the artist’s conception videos..... or something like that.


17 posted on 01/16/2014 6:21:18 AM PST by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: TomServo

So that’s why Capricorn One failed.....


18 posted on 01/16/2014 6:24:33 AM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: massgopguy

lol


19 posted on 01/16/2014 6:24:53 AM PST by TomServo
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To: NCC-1701
Have you ever heard the in- cockpit audio from Apollo 12? after the lightning hit the command module the crew had to switch to a backup telemetry system and reset all the circuit breakers right in the middle of first stage separation. An extremely frantic minute right there. after everything got sorted out Gordon Cooper was heard to say " now that's one scenario we should run in the mission simulators!"

CC

20 posted on 01/16/2014 6:25:00 AM PST by Celtic Conservative (tease not the dragon for thou art crunchy when roasted and taste good with ketchup)
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To: C19fan

21 posted on 01/16/2014 6:26:54 AM PST by JoeProBono (SOME IMAGES MAY BE DISTURBING VIEWER DISCRETION IS ADVISED;-{)
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To: GOP_Party_Animal

Thanks...


22 posted on 01/16/2014 6:29:36 AM PST by ken5050 (This space available cheap...)
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To: Celtic Conservative
Sorry, it was Richard Gordon, not Gordon Cooper.

CC

23 posted on 01/16/2014 6:29:55 AM PST by Celtic Conservative (tease not the dragon for thou art crunchy when roasted and taste good with ketchup)
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To: C19fan
The Space Senate Launch System is the Porkulus of space.

Designed to maintain the flow of cost-plus, no-bid contracts to all the companies that built the shuttle, and ensure that the return flow of campaign contributions will not be interrupted.

Pfui.

24 posted on 01/16/2014 6:43:22 AM PST by Notary Sojac (Mi tio es enfermo, pero la carretera es verde!)
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To: Celtic Conservative

Yes I have. Very intense minute of comm. After Al Bean reconfigured the SEC to AUX, things calmed down and the crew literally laughed their way to orbit. Loved Pete Conrad’s comment about needing some more bad weather testing.


25 posted on 01/16/2014 6:46:42 AM PST by NCC-1701 (I am proud of what America USED TO BE.)
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To: C19fan
It is a false hope. The Apollo days of NASA are gone, people. We haven't got the national will to send a man to Benghazi to save a US Ambassador from being tortured to death, much less send a man to Mars.

The only reason this rocket is being built at all is the incredible inertia of the enormous FedGov sow: once a program is started, politics makes it extremely hard to stop it. The power of incumbency, multiplied by media manipulation, gerrymandering, vote buying, and dirty tricks (traffic jams on election days) make it virtually impossible to stop any given politician, much less any Federal program.

There may be a rocket, but there will be no Mars mission.

26 posted on 01/16/2014 6:47:36 AM PST by backwoods-engineer (Blog: www.BackwoodsEngineer.com)
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To: Paladin2
Is it going to use alternative energy?

That's the "gotcha" ... Obama's insisting only "renewable" fuel sources be used. Solar and Wind are at the top of the list (/humor)

27 posted on 01/16/2014 6:50:48 AM PST by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: NCC-1701; Celtic Conservative
Pete Conrad was a character, and Al Bean was a perfect straight man for him. I've got Bean's book around here somewhere.

There aren't any men like that left in the space program.

28 posted on 01/16/2014 6:50:51 AM PST by backwoods-engineer (Blog: www.BackwoodsEngineer.com)
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To: DoodleDawg
The Saturn V wasn't designed for a Mars mission. It was designed to attain LEO and put the CM/CSM/LM on a trajectory to the Moon.

It could never be used to do the same for a Mars mission.

29 posted on 01/16/2014 6:54:36 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts ("The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it." - George Orwell)
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To: backwoods-engineer

Have you seen pictures of their lunar surface cuff lists? They were laced with Playboy playmates and other humorous things. The guys in flight prep knew the Conrad and Bean well. In some of the comm from the moon, they can be heard laughing at some of the check list items. The 12 crew was a true crew that worked well together. The 15 and 17 crews were similar in makeup but not near as tight as 12 was. In fact, the 12 crew had their crew positions painted on their Vettes, CDR, LMP, CMP. Now, how cool was that?


30 posted on 01/16/2014 6:58:31 AM PST by NCC-1701 (I am proud of what America USED TO BE.)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

“It could never be used to do the same for a Mars mission. “

Of course not, because moon launches require the ability to lift stuff into space, in contrast, a Mars launch requires the ability to lift stuff into space.

BIG DIFFERENCE.


31 posted on 01/16/2014 6:59:56 AM PST by RFEngineer
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To: C19fan

The word that should be rolling off tongues at NASA is a philosophy of “cumulative” space exploration. That is, every time a mission within the solar system takes place, it should build on, literally, missions that have happened before, and its mission should be used to build on those that happen after.

When a space station is built, one of its primary tasks is to construct an “interplanetary shuttle engine”, a big, robotic engine and fuel tank to take other spaceships from Earth to Moon and Mars and beyond, and back, itself remaining in space. This would permit the spaceships to carry a lot more of their own fuel and supplies.

When considering Lunar and Martian missions, the first missions should be nuclear powered robotic tunneling systems. By mining tunnels as habitats, you avoid a huge number of problems, as well as create a cumulative Lunar or Martian base, so missions there can be a lot longer and carry more and different supplies.

The mining can be done before humans arrive and after they leave, and while they are there, the mining robots nuclear power can be used to provide copious amounts of energy to the base.


32 posted on 01/16/2014 7:02:13 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (There Is Still A Very Hot War On Terror, Just Not On The MSM. Rantburg.com)
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To: backwoods-engineer
Another funny moment: during the Command module/ Lunar excursion module re-docking sequence Pete Conrad can be heard to say "they say that guy Gordon is smooth as silk", referring to Dick Gordon, the CM pilot.

CC

33 posted on 01/16/2014 7:06:51 AM PST by Celtic Conservative (tease not the dragon for thou art crunchy when roasted and taste good with ketchup)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
It is close enough, China may develop it as a weapons base.

Yup. See "The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress" by Robert Heinlein.

 

34 posted on 01/16/2014 8:28:17 AM PST by zeugma (Is it evil of me to teach my bird to say "here kitty, kitty"?)
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To: Notary Sojac
Designed to maintain the flow of cost-plus, no-bid contracts to all the companies that built the shuttle, and ensure that the return flow of campaign contributions will not be interrupted.

Well, duh! Why do you think they budgeted more money than they originally asked for? (Fatter kickbacks!)

35 posted on 01/16/2014 8:34:38 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
The word that should be rolling off tongues at NASA is a philosophy of “cumulative” space exploration.

Von Braun was pushing for this concept in the 60s. He wanted an Earth orbit rendezvous between the lunar lander and the crews, at a space station.

We were racing the Soviets at the time, so the idea was abandoned for the lunar orbit rendezvous between lander and command module.

The landers could have been reusable (if different from the LEM), and the space station could have been a stepping stone to more exploration.

The concept still seems to be on the back shelf gathering dust.

The tunneling machine concept is a good one, but maintaining any tlelmetry would be the hard part.

36 posted on 01/16/2014 8:45:11 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Notary Sojac

“Senate Launch System”....now there’s a thought.


37 posted on 01/16/2014 8:52:38 AM PST by Pecos (The Chicago Way: Kill the Constitution, one step at a time.)
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To: JoeProBono

Awesome graphic. Saved


38 posted on 01/16/2014 11:51:13 AM PST by zeugma (Is it evil of me to teach my bird to say "here kitty, kitty"?)
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To: C19fan

NASA reveals its latest boondoggle. There’s no need for a huge launcher.


39 posted on 01/16/2014 11:54:43 AM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Smokin' Joe
Telemetry wouldn't be difficult of the tunneling machine would "poop out" a battery-powered relay beacon once every few miles of tunnel. Of course, it has to have one on the surface to relay to Earth.

It could all be done. We just don't have the national will to do it.

40 posted on 01/16/2014 4:20:56 PM PST by backwoods-engineer (Blog: www.BackwoodsEngineer.com)
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The last Saturn V launch was for the 77 ton (169,950 pounds) Skylab.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skylab

more:

http://www.nasa.gov/audience/foreducators/rocketry/home/what-was-the-saturn-v-58.html#.UtxrKxAo7IU

The Saturn V rocket was 111 meters (363 feet) tall, about the height of a 36-story-tall building, and 18 meters (60 feet) taller than the Statue of Liberty. Fully fueled for liftoff, the Saturn V weighed 2.8 million kilograms (6.2 million pounds), the weight of about 400 elephants. The rocket generated 34.5 million newtons (7.6 million pounds) of thrust at launch, creating more power than 85 Hoover Dams. A car that gets 48 kilometers (30 miles) to the gallon could drive around the world around 800 times with the amount of fuel the Saturn V used for a lunar landing mission. It could launch about 118,000 kilograms (130 tons) into Earth orbit. That’s about as much weight as 10 school buses. The Saturn V could launch about 43,500 kilograms (50 tons) to the moon.


41 posted on 01/19/2014 4:21:18 PM PST by SunkenCiv (;http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturn_V
Payload to LEO, 260,000 pounds (130 tons, 120,000 kg, 120 tonnes)


42 posted on 01/19/2014 4:32:11 PM PST by SunkenCiv (;http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: TomServo; DoodleDawg

Von Braun planned to assemble a Mars mission in orbit, using up to 12 Saturn V launches to do it (basically, the entire lunar landing program over again, but using a stage one booster that literally never had an engine failure).


43 posted on 01/19/2014 4:40:04 PM PST by SunkenCiv (;http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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SLS

44 posted on 01/19/2014 4:54:48 PM PST by SunkenCiv (;http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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