Skip to comments.More Stand Your Ground Silliness
Posted on 01/16/2014 9:35:08 AM PST by rktman
As I noted yesterday, the usual suspects have seen fit to jump all over a new Florida shooting in the vain hope that it will help them to discredit the states Stand Your Ground law. Over at Talking Points Memo today, editor Josh Marshall writes an extraordinarily silly headline, Maybe the Newtown Kid Coulda Walked?, and then goes on to claim that, with this story,
we have the latest development in the national joke known as Stand Your Ground gun laws. The murderous jerk who killed a man in a Tampa theater yesterday because he wouldnt stop texting may be planning to use a stand your ground defense.
(Excerpt) Read more at nationalreview.com ...
So, no one should be allowed to plead “innocent”, because, sometimes, guilty people might use that plea, too???
The Gun Control Nazis won’t have the Black Ku Klux Klan marching with them this time, as the man shot was White.
And, the shooter was retired police....which means the Police Gun Grabbers won’t be involved either
I’m not clear how “who started it” fits into “stand your ground.”
Obviously you can’t start a dangerous physical confrontation and then claim “stand your ground.”
But if you start by “put away your cell phone” and then verbally scalate? At what point do you utter “fighting words?” If someone shoves you or throws a Coke at you after a verbal dispute you started, can you claim self-defense? What if the other guy started the dispute and goes on to the shove and throwing the Coke?
How is it that these people are never called on outright lies?
Murder is a finding of a court by a Judge or Jury. This term becomes factually applicable in no other way. Many people in that theater witnessed a homicide but the finding of it being a murder has not happened yet and may never happen.
The second outright lie was that the shooter killed a man because he would not stop texting. According to the public records and the witness statements this is not what happened.
The old retired cop shot the "victim" when he stood up three feet in front of him and threw a container of popcorn in his face and started screaming at him. Right or wrong, like it or not, it was a display of physical aggression and an act violence by the victim that triggered the fatal part of this event.
Yes throwing a container of popcorn in someones face is an act of violence. It is legally considered assault.
All of this happened within reach of each other and in a very compressed time frame. Until the man who was shot stood up and assaulted the retired cop this had been nothing but a verbal disagreement. Until that time nothing illegal or criminal had happened. The man who was shot is the one who crossed that barrier of violence and ignited this incident.
The rights and wrongs, justified or unjustified, STG applicable or not, will all be determined by a judge and/or jury. Not the DA, or any of the officers who responded have the authority to make this decision. The shooter committed a homicide. A judge and jury will decide if he committed murder.
Looks like we no longer need a judge or jury as long as we have the liberal msm passing “judgement” in most cases. Kinda like the “lyin’ king” is believing he no longer needs congress. Have pen, will sign. (No offense to Paladin)
The old retired cop shot the “victim” when he stood up three feet in front of him and threw a container of popcorn in his face and started screaming at him. Right or wrong, like it or not, it was a display of physical aggression and an act violence by the victim that triggered the fatal part of this event.
Ah,but the old retired cop demanded the “victim” cease texting,and apparently continued to escalate his demand.
If you iniate a confrontation while armed then you are expected to exercise a higher level of self-restraint.
So the the old retired cop kept hassling the victim about texting until the victim lost his cool and POSSIBLY tossed non-lethal popcorn while waving his arms and yelling.Probably yelling something to the effect of:”leave me alone you old coot!”
I’d convict the old retired cop of murder in a heartbeat if that turns out to be the situation.
Popcorn or a coke in the face isn’t reason for killing someone,except in thug cultures.Especially if the shooter started the confrontation,which is not in question.The texting may have been annoying to the old cop but the cop has no authority to demand someone stop non-threatening behavior ,and neither does any other CCW holder.
Little would-be tough guys and rambos with guns deserve to have those guns taken away permanently.
And assault and battery laws need changing so that that which causes no injury cannot be used as an excuse for more violence or unreasonable monetary awards.
I think we’re both on the same side here.
I was questioned the other poster’s comment that the victim threw a bucket of popcorn in the killer’s face, and that seemingly justified the killer shooting.
In the police report the shooter said that something was throw in his face. Three different eye witness reports said that it was a container and or popcorn that was thrown.