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China considers Manned Moon Landing following breakthrough Chang’e-3 mission success
universetoday.com ^ | January 15, 2014 | Ken Kremer on

Posted on 01/16/2014 10:26:36 AM PST by BenLurkin

Will China land humans on the Moon before America returns?

It would seem so based on a new report in the People’s Daily- the official paper of the Communist Party of China – as well as the express science goals following on the heels of the enormous breakthrough for Chinese technology demonstrated by the history making Chang’e-3 Mission.

The People’s Daily reports that “Chinese aerospace researchers are working on setting up a lunar base,” based on a recent speech by Zhang Yuhua, deputy general director and deputy general designer of the Chang’e-3 probe system.

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1 posted on 01/16/2014 10:26:36 AM PST by BenLurkin
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To: BenLurkin

I’d hate to be sitting atop one of those rockets..... Clinton giving them our secrets or not.


2 posted on 01/16/2014 10:28:53 AM PST by b4its2late (A Progressive is a person who will give away everything he doesn't own.)
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To: BenLurkin
Will China land humans on the Moon before America returns?

Zimbabwe will land humans on the Moon before America returns.

3 posted on 01/16/2014 10:29:12 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: BenLurkin

They’ve got the benefit of our experience so I doubt it would take them long.

They might as well since we’ll be paying for it.


4 posted on 01/16/2014 10:30:05 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: DuncanWaring

Only at the current rate. Obamanation doesn’t last forever.


5 posted on 01/16/2014 10:30:26 AM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: BenLurkin

Imagine the final prices when the Chinese astronauts put up artifacts from Tranquility Base on Ebay!


6 posted on 01/16/2014 10:36:11 AM PST by DBrow
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To: BenLurkin

The American left will cheer this as much as the Chinese. To the American left, this is more evidence that communism works.


7 posted on 01/16/2014 10:37:46 AM PST by brownsfan (Behold, the power of government cheese.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

If I were president I would push congress to free up private industry in space with tax free status for all industries working directly on things that would take them to space.

I would suggest that interested industries make a real competition out of it by putting up prize money for various things like first to circumnavigate mars either on the surface or flying within its atmosphere.


8 posted on 01/16/2014 10:38:21 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: BenLurkin

“China considers Manned Moon Landing following breakthrough Chang’e-3 mission success”

So what? Just say, “Been there, done that already! You are simply 45 years behind the times! Try to catch up with the USA!” ;-)


9 posted on 01/16/2014 10:39:24 AM PST by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (What we need is to sucker the fedthugs into a "Tiananmen Square"-like incident on the National Mall!)
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To: cripplecreek

There is prize money related to building a space elevator.


10 posted on 01/16/2014 10:39:42 AM PST by DBrow
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To: BenLurkin

Well, since the US has turned its back on the future in favor of an endlessly expanding welfare state, best wishes to the Chinese. A moon base will open up great opportunities to the countries who colonize the Moon and they will write the history books.


11 posted on 01/16/2014 10:41:56 AM PST by Truth29
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To: DBrow

Yeah there are various prizes for space related things but government getting out of the way would drive the money and competition to new heights.


12 posted on 01/16/2014 10:42:47 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek

http://www.spaceward.org/games

I like this because they play with kilowatt lasers.


13 posted on 01/16/2014 10:49:59 AM PST by DBrow
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To: BenLurkin
It is sad to think that the US had the technology and the national will to land men on the moon and return them safely nearly 50 years ago, yet we haven't been back in more than 40 years. Imagine if the Wright brothers 1903 success had been treated that way...man would still not be flying in 1953.
14 posted on 01/16/2014 10:52:05 AM PST by The Great RJ
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To: b4its2late

I Nominate OBONGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


15 posted on 01/16/2014 10:53:38 AM PST by bandleader
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To: The Great RJ

... but we can text and facebook at will...


16 posted on 01/16/2014 10:58:16 AM PST by Resolute Conservative
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To: BenLurkin

Do you all realize how much we would be hosed if they start going up there? Seriously, they will start to mine the resources and dare anyone to tell them not to.


17 posted on 01/16/2014 11:25:19 AM PST by vpintheak (Thankful to be God blessed & chosen!)
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To: BenLurkin
Will China land humans on the Moon before America returns?

Who cares? Nothing there but rocks and dirt - nothing of value at all.

18 posted on 01/16/2014 11:29:41 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: vpintheak
Seriously, they will start to mine the resources

What resources? Mine how? At what cost? People who really think this are so clueless.

19 posted on 01/16/2014 11:31:36 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: BenLurkin

I bet those Chinese astronauts are “excited” to go.


20 posted on 01/16/2014 11:35:22 AM PST by SgtHooper (If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you.)
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To: brownsfan

I hate to say this, but many conservatives are also all for sending American industry to China.

There is no party preference.

I say, we need trade tariffs, and we need to bring back American jobs.

Then when we’re no longer exporting all our money to China, we can start building our own moon base.

Just saying.

We really, really need to start to play on America’s side.


21 posted on 01/16/2014 11:36:14 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2013)
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To: from occupied ga

Plus, let somebody else expend trillions while we hack their learned tech for nothing.


22 posted on 01/16/2014 11:37:35 AM PST by SgtHooper (If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you.)
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To: from occupied ga

Well, try this old article:
http://voices.yahoo.com/possible-resources-moon-3067267.html?cat=58
I know there are private companies in America doing work to get there for 1 reason, profit.
Do you really think that money would be a problem for Chinese government? Do you think that China wouldn’t fight like the devil to keep every other nation off the moon?


23 posted on 01/16/2014 11:41:43 AM PST by vpintheak (Thankful to be God blessed & chosen!)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

“I hate to say this, but many conservatives are also all for sending American industry to China.

...

We really, really need to start to play on America’s side.”

You are preaching to the choir on that one. I’ve been here for long enough that I was part of the free trade flame wars. I said two things during that time...

- China was going to eat our lunch and eclipse us as a world power.
- Offshoring would lead to a President Hillary Clinton. The loss of jobs, the fear among the public would lead them to vote for the communists.

I was told that I was much too excitable, and sending manufacturing to China was no different than what happened with Japan in the 1970s.
I was also told that I was crazy, go back to the DU, Hillary would never win. No, I guess not, we got something even worse.

I never get tired of saying “I told you so.” Even though we’re all paying the price now.


24 posted on 01/16/2014 11:46:43 AM PST by brownsfan (Behold, the power of government cheese.)
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To: from occupied ga

I give you two words: helium three


25 posted on 01/16/2014 1:39:26 PM PST by NonValueAdded (It's not the penalty, it's the lack of coverage on 1 Jan. Think about it.)
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To: from occupied ga

Forget mining. Those who fail to comprehend the strategic implications of China taking over the moon are not very smart. Having said that we have some time yet before that occurs. They haven’t even landed a man on the moon yet. But they will.


26 posted on 01/16/2014 2:41:58 PM PST by plain talk
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To: NonValueAdded
helium three

I give you two more words: So what? Or to expand, what use is He3 Hint: There aren't any fusion power plants

27 posted on 01/17/2014 4:10:44 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
I say, we need trade tariffs, and we need to bring back American jobs.

Yes that's always worked do well < /sarcasm>

28 posted on 01/17/2014 4:11:57 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: BenLurkin

makes me go...hmmmmmm
Like that movie Apollo 18 and the reason why Americans never went back.
Truth, fiction, conspiracy?

I really wish the Chinese the best of luck getting a manned vehicle to the moon and back.
just that thought that we did it over 4 decades earlier with caveman technology compared with what is current.A childs cheapest digital watch has more computing power than some of the NASA equipment from back then.


29 posted on 01/17/2014 4:23:24 AM PST by Spartan302 (Spartans never quit, they come back later with more warriors. Asymmetrical Warfare.)
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To: vpintheak
... article ...

Online scifi bs. I reiterate there isn't anything of value on the moon that is anywhere near the cost of getting it. Since you appear to be sincere if completely naive about it, think of this.

  1. The Apollo program brought back 838.2 lb of rocks form the moon. That was as much as they could. If they had any more capacity, they would have returned more. The rocks have no intrinsice value, excpet for the fact that they came from the moon you could pick up any equal weight of rocks and dirt from a vacant lot and get the same worth
  2. In 2009 NASA itself estimated that the total cost of the Apollo program was $170,000,000,000 in 2005 dollars
  3. The rate of inflation from 2005 to 2013 was 19.3%
  4. Now calculate first inflat to current dollars multiply $170 bil by 1.193 = $202.82 Billion
  5. Now divide $202.82 billion by 838.2 = $241,958,959.68 per pound or $15,122,434.98 per ounce
There isn't any commodity that has in intrinsoc value even close to that high.

"Lunar resources" is a myth promulgated by those who don't have a clue about the economics of the situation.

30 posted on 01/17/2014 4:31:29 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: plain talk
Those who fail to comprehend the strategic implications of China taking over the moon are not very smart.

Well explain them.

31 posted on 01/17/2014 4:33:16 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: spel_grammer_an_punct_polise
So what? Just say, “Been there, done that already! You are simply 45 years behind the times! Try to catch up with the USA!” ;-

At a minimum the Vikings, the Irish, the Welsh, the Spanish and the Portuguese all reached North America before the English, and yet you posted that comment in English. China isn't planning a vanity photo op, but a permanent base.

You ought to read up on how from the 17th-19th centuries the Chinese reflexively dismissed everything that wasn't Chinese as inherently inferior because they could not conceive that something that wasn't Chinese wasn't inherently inferior, The read up on how that worked for them.

32 posted on 01/17/2014 5:07:27 AM PST by Pilsner
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To: from occupied ga

Well, it seems to be working pretty well for China.

Just saying.


33 posted on 01/17/2014 5:44:19 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2013)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
Well, it seems to be working pretty well for China.

So you think that raising taxes increases wealth and jobs? That we can tax ourselves into prosperity?

34 posted on 01/17/2014 5:56:12 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: from occupied ga

I say yes.

America has lost sight of American greatness.

America needs to focus once again on America.

Bring back jobs, and start to grow our own economy.


35 posted on 01/17/2014 5:58:22 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2013)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
taxes/tariffs

increasing taxes has never worked to increase prosperity or jobs - ever. But for some strange reason it's a very popular idea with the left.

Bring back jobs, and start to grow our own economy.

You "bring back jobs" by being better (ie more efficient) than the competition, not be causing the competition to be less ifficient by taxes distorting the maketplace. BTW your idea is probably the single most central philosophy of the liberal democrats wealth redistribution by taxation and the primary point of difference between conservatives and liberals.

36 posted on 01/17/2014 6:15:21 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: from occupied ga

America is now $17,000,000,000,000.00 in debt, and that number is rapidly climbing.

Bring back American jobs.


37 posted on 01/17/2014 6:18:21 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2013)
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To: brownsfan

The only problem with this that I see, is that an hour after landing, they’ll want to go again...


38 posted on 01/17/2014 6:30:31 AM PST by Delta Dawn (Fluent in two languages: English and cursive.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
Bring back American jobs.

While no one can disagree with that sentiment, you want to explain how increasing taxes is going to do that?

39 posted on 01/17/2014 6:36:37 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: from occupied ga

America needs import tariffs.

One level, all imported products and services. Everything. Gas. Food. And production. If it is imported into America, pay a tariff.

All imports, need to pay one single import tariff. This will balance out our trade, and it will start to pay down our debt.

What that tariff should be, is a significant discussion. But America cannot continue to send jobs to other countries.

We need to bring back American jobs.

We need to stop selling out America. Protect American jobs, and bring back American employment.

Now.


40 posted on 01/17/2014 6:41:28 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2013)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
You're utterly without a clue as to the effect of taxes/tariffs. Your level of lack of understanding approaches that of a government employee. I suggest you read Bastiat or this article by Gary North.
41 posted on 01/17/2014 8:02:37 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: from occupied ga

China is now the largest exporter in the globe.

That is rapidly growing.

Bring back jobs to America.


42 posted on 01/17/2014 8:04:22 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2013)
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To: from occupied ga

When you defend “free trade” you defend the income tax and progressivism. When you defend tariffs, like our founders did in the late 18th century, you are defending a conservative position.


43 posted on 01/17/2014 8:06:16 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Get back to me when you have something to say. or not, your choice


44 posted on 01/17/2014 8:06:18 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: central_va
When you defend “free trade” you defend the income tax and progressivism

Bull sh!t

45 posted on 01/17/2014 8:15:28 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: Pilsner

“but a permanent base.”

I say to the Chinese: Good luck with that! They will not be successful without Western engineering/technology which they are stealing from us.

“The Chinese reflexively dismissed everything that wasn’t Chinese as inherently inferior because they could not conceive that something that wasn’t Chinese wasn’t inherently inferior,”

I am reminded of, “The King And I” where the ‘king’ of Thailand just KNEW that his country was the biggest, greatest on the planet. All countries of any substance feel that way so that the Chinese culture does not differ from any other in that regard.

Their ‘closed door’ policy worked for them but not for the world. The world wanted them to ‘open the doors’. They simply wanted to be left alone but the world did not want that. They have now opened the doors and the ‘negative’ influences of the rest of the world are now ‘corrupting’ their society. I find it unfortunate even though I was the representative of the first American company to sign a very large contract with the Chinese government in 1975 so that I have hands-on, first-hand knowledge of the Chinese culture.


46 posted on 01/17/2014 8:36:45 AM PST by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (What we need is to sucker the fedthugs into a "Tiananmen Square"-like incident on the National Mall!)
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To: from occupied ga

If you knew history you’d know the progressives wanted to eliminate tariffs and institute a more aggressive tax system, i.e. income taxes, around 100 years ago.


47 posted on 01/17/2014 9:51:40 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va
If you knew history you’d know the progressives wanted to eliminate tariffs and institute a more aggressive tax system, i.e. income taxes, around 100 years ago

If you were completely honest you would acknowledge that progressives did not want to eliminate any tariffs, but rather wanted to add additional taxes and did. Further you would acknowledge that tariffs are like all taxes a burden on the economy. Ever hear of Smoot Hawley? I suggest you read the short article in the link.

48 posted on 01/17/2014 10:07:09 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: from occupied ga
Ah the Smoot-Hawley Red Herring.

Imports during 1929 were only 4.2% of the United States' GNP and exports were only 5.0%. Monetarists, such as Milton Friedman, who emphasize the central role of the money supply in causing the depression, note that the Smoot-Hawley Act only had a contributory effect on the entire U.S. economy.

We manufactured our own junk back then, we had a trade surplus. Trade was only 5% of GDP, Smoot Hawley could not have had a major impact on the Depression.

49 posted on 01/17/2014 10:31:36 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va
Try reading this
50 posted on 01/17/2014 10:35:19 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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