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WEEKLY GARDEN THREAD VOLUME 3, JANUARY 17, 2014
Free Republic | Jan 17, 2014 | greeneyes

Posted on 01/17/2014 5:49:09 AM PST by greeneyes

The Weekly Gardening Thread is a weekly gathering of folks that love soil, seeds and plants of all kinds. From complete newbies that are looking to start that first potted plant, to gardeners with some acreage, to Master Gardener level and beyond, we would love to hear from you. This thread is non-political, although you will find that most here are conservative folks. No matter what, you won’t be flamed and the only dumb question is the one that isn’t asked. It is impossible to hijack the Weekly Gardening Thread. There is no telling where it will go and... that is part of the fun and interest. Jump in and join us!

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Greetings from a freezing Missouri cloudy day. The temp here is 21F. The snow predicted for last night did not happen.

With gardening at a low level, the cleaning, fixing, and organizing indoors continues. I won't start any seed till February, and most will be April before I start them.

On this date, the cable car was patented in 1871-an interesting tidbit from the Farmer's Almanac.

I am posting early, because I'll be leaving shortly for St. Louis. Will be gone all day and most of the afternoon. Ya'll have fun and I'll catch up later.

Have a great weekend. God Bless.

1 posted on 01/17/2014 5:49:09 AM PST by greeneyes
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To: greeneyes

Greetings from mildish NJ! I’m pruning my garden (well, hacking is more like it) and collecting seed packets.


2 posted on 01/17/2014 5:53:29 AM PST by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: greeneyes; Diana in Wisconsin; gardengirl; girlangler; SunkenCiv; HungarianGypsy; Gabz; ...

Pinging the list.


3 posted on 01/17/2014 5:55:21 AM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: miss marmelstein

Good hacking to you.LOL Catch ya later.


4 posted on 01/17/2014 5:56:11 AM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

I am an old person but new gardener. I have some drift
roses, planted this summer in SC and want to know when and how to prune them and feed them. Thanks for any advice.


5 posted on 01/17/2014 6:01:39 AM PST by ruesrose (The Anchor Holds)
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To: greeneyes

Good morning G E. I was wanting to work outside today, but the cedar pollen is already floating in the wind. May stay inside all day again. Sucks to be allergic to that stuff in central Texas.


6 posted on 01/17/2014 6:02:51 AM PST by Arrowhead1952 (The Second Amendment is NOT about the right to hunt. It IS a right to shoot tyrants.)
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To: greeneyes

It is 35 deg. F. at 8:00AM here in central TX.

Forecast high for the day is 57 deg F and sunny.

Wheat finally is showing signs of growing. It has been unusually cold here in TX this winter.

Am planning to water my blackberry and strawberry plants today. The have been nipped by our very cold weather.

Will probably water the dormant trees at the farm this weekend. Preventative measure.


7 posted on 01/17/2014 6:04:31 AM PST by Texas Fossil
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To: greeneyes

Good Morning!

Even Florida is C-C-Cold.

I saw people’s breath as the warmed up their cars this morning!

Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr....


8 posted on 01/17/2014 6:04:36 AM PST by left that other site
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To: greeneyes

Dale Nelson’s tomato formula. (Corpus Christi weather man KRIS TV)

http://www.kristv.com/pages/dales-tomato-formula/


9 posted on 01/17/2014 6:04:52 AM PST by patriot08 (NATIVE TEXAN (girl type))
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To: greeneyes

I have been reading more about permaculture stacking planting and companion planting. We live in very heavy clay soil and this has made everything a struggle.

Any input in either if these topics is appreciated.


10 posted on 01/17/2014 6:26:47 AM PST by call meVeronica
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To: greeneyes
Good morning greeneyes! It's a balmy -3 with a wind chill of -22 up here in N. MN...

Come On Spring!

11 posted on 01/17/2014 6:51:23 AM PST by JDoutrider
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To: Texas Fossil

Yes, a little chilly in the Hill Country but should warm up to low 60s and low 70s on the weekend.

What variety of blackberries do you have and how far apart are they planted? I miss mine that were torn out during construction. I’ve bought several varieties two different years from TSC but they all died immediately. A neighor had the same bad luck. Home Depot or Lowes has never sold any. But I still WANT blackberries, whaaa!

The outside water is off for the winter so I potted up some seeds indoors this week - brussels sprouts, bunching onions, cabbage, cilantro, parsley and a couple broccoli and cauliflower with the leftover wet potting mix. Yes, I know brussels sprouts are for fall but maybe they’ll produce a bit before the summer heat. I finally got a cabinet moved over to the windows to use as a plant shelf. It’s nose level but will have to do. I also put all the loose and scattered gardening notes into a binder so there’s no excuses.

The freeze did kill off the leaves to the amaryllis but maybe they’ll come back. It looks like a few daffodils are peeking up.


12 posted on 01/17/2014 7:03:28 AM PST by bgill
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To: greeneyes

BRRRR Have a good, safe, fun trip!
Good Morning from South Texas! It’s FRIDAY! It’s seasonable here (44) not *too* bad.

I believe I’ll hit Fanick’s tomorrow & see what kind of onion starts I can get.

Oh bgill, why’d ya have to say brussel sprouts? (My favorite veg) I haven’t summoned up the courage to try them yet (but I have seeds). Supposedly, they’re not easy. Is that untrue?


13 posted on 01/17/2014 7:14:46 AM PST by KGeorge (Till we're together again, Gypsy girl. May 28, 1998- June 3, 2013)
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To: Arrowhead1952

Hubby has the same problem. We have a friend who WAS allergic to cedar pollen too. He went into a cedar “forest” and picked the “seeds”, a couple from each tree and ate 1 or 3 “seeds” a day for ? time. He’s no longer allergic to cedar pollen. His wife said kissing him was like kissing a cedar tree, but he’s over his “problem” now.


14 posted on 01/17/2014 7:22:15 AM PST by tillacum
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To: greeneyes

I harvested my garlic a little too late and it’s starting to sprout. I’ve researched ways of preserving it (chop and freeze, chop and refrigerate in olive oil, etc.), but I’d like garden FReeper input. Do you guys have a way of preserving garlic that works well?


15 posted on 01/17/2014 7:26:27 AM PST by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: Texas Fossil

Our high today is 59, but I think tomorrow it will be a bit warmer. We’ll be working on the paths and a couple of new raised gardens in the community garden this afternoon. I’m going to turn some soil in one of my raised gardens. I want to plant some small red onions and put some cabbage plants in the ground and some beet seeds. I’m thinking of covering them with clear plastic to catch the warmth of the sun, then cover them at night with the garden blanket. I have no idea if it will work, hopefully it will.


16 posted on 01/17/2014 7:28:18 AM PST by tillacum
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To: patriot08

Thanks patriot, I have a friend who’s dreaming of growing a giant tomato plant with giant tomatoes. I give her a copy of this. One can dream.


17 posted on 01/17/2014 7:33:30 AM PST by tillacum
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To: greeneyes
A bit of history this morning on the early Girl's Tomato Clubs and Farmers Boys' Corn Clubs.

http://mshistory.k12.ms.us/articles/235/girls-tomato-clubs-in-mississippi-1911-1915

http://blogs.extension.org/mastergardener/2013/04/23/exploring-our-roots-a-short-history-of-extension-and-the-master-gardener-program/


18 posted on 01/17/2014 7:34:10 AM PST by bgill
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To: bgill

The same happened to my amaryllis, I’m getting ready to cut off the leaves and see if they’ll come back.


19 posted on 01/17/2014 7:37:25 AM PST by tillacum
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To: KGeorge

I’ve read they’re not easy but this will be my first try. Well, second try because last year Mother Nature destroyed my garden 3-4 times with floods and hail last year and by then it was too late for brussel sprouts.


20 posted on 01/17/2014 7:39:54 AM PST by bgill
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To: tillacum

I’ve heard about eating the berries too. I may try that for a change. I cleaned the windshield of my pickup with a handful of paper towels, and it was a yucky green color.

Just watching the clouds of pollen this morning makes me want to stay in the house all day. My neighbor’s wife stays inside all day for now.


21 posted on 01/17/2014 7:44:31 AM PST by Arrowhead1952 (The Second Amendment is NOT about the right to hunt. It IS a right to shoot tyrants.)
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To: ruesrose

I’ve always pruned roses down about one third of its height. The best time to prune them, is on or about Valentines day. That is in central Texas. I feed mine all year with compost. It builds the soil too.


22 posted on 01/17/2014 7:48:45 AM PST by Arrowhead1952 (The Second Amendment is NOT about the right to hunt. It IS a right to shoot tyrants.)
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To: tillacum

I’ve heard the same treatment for poison ivy. The cedar cure might be doable but no way would I try the poison ivy!!


23 posted on 01/17/2014 7:54:37 AM PST by bgill
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To: tillacum

Dale is famous for his tomatoes around here.
Do try his formula!


24 posted on 01/17/2014 8:01:10 AM PST by patriot08 (NATIVE TEXAN (girl type))
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To: All

Dale Nelson’s famous tomato formula:

(Dale has a serious green thumb and has even created his own highly sought-after tomato formula prized by backyard gardeners.)

Original Formula / Sandy Soil
1 cup 10-20-10 (1-2-1 ratio) fertilizer
1/4 cup super phosphate
1/2 cup gypsum
2 cups cow manure
Dig a hole and mix ingredients. Then, add regular dirt on top of formula before placing tomato plant in hole. Otherwise, formula will burn the roots of the plant. Don’t let formula touch the roots when they are first planted. Let the plant grow into the formula. Water regularly. Stand back and watch them grow! Best varieties are Sonny, Bingo, Carnival, Heatwave, Celebrity, Big Boy, Better Boy and President. Best cherry tomatoes to use are small Fry and Cherry Grande. Everything needed is available at any local nursery.

Caution: Please be aware that excessive use of phosphorus in our clay soil over a long period of time can be non beneficial to your plants.

Clay Soil*
1 Cup 21-0-0 (1-0-0 Ratio) Ammonium Sulphate
3/4 Cup Gypsum
2 Cups Cow Manure
Mix these ingredients together with existing garden soil and plant one tomato plant per hole mixture.

*Most clay soils in this area already have too much super phosphate, which tends to stay in the soil for a long period of time. The local nursery people tell me, the best way to correct this is by adding ammonium sulphate which is 21-0-0.


25 posted on 01/17/2014 8:10:04 AM PST by patriot08 (NATIVE TEXAN (girl type))
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To: Arrowhead1952

Our friend took 2 berries from each tree. It’s not quite as bad here, as it is in your area, but hubby’s allergy is in full bloom, here.


26 posted on 01/17/2014 8:17:18 AM PST by tillacum
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To: bgill

POISON IVEY??? That would be a REAL challenge.


27 posted on 01/17/2014 8:19:36 AM PST by tillacum
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To: tillacum

Here is the history for cedar pollen in Austin. One day it was over 16,000 and the second highest ever recorded. I think today may be higher.

http://www.kvue.com/community/Allergy-History-136749988.html


28 posted on 01/17/2014 8:33:50 AM PST by Arrowhead1952 (The Second Amendment is NOT about the right to hunt. It IS a right to shoot tyrants.)
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To: greeneyes
Greetings from Massachusetts! We have crocuses up! This pic was taken in our back yard on 1/15/14:

And yes, this is very unusual.

29 posted on 01/17/2014 8:38:18 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: greeneyes

I am in SWest MO. Got a quick, heavy snow last night. 10 minute flurry and gone.
I am interested in what seeds you are starting in Feb. I have never done starter seeds, but want to this year. Trying to figure a way to do so without a green/hothouse.
Am putting in some raised beds so we can plant a bit earlier. Just have not decided on what to start early.


30 posted on 01/17/2014 8:51:18 AM PST by ExpatGator (I hate Illinois Nazis!)
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To: All
This is what Austin, TX looked like this week. No, that's not haze but cedar pollen.


31 posted on 01/17/2014 8:55:10 AM PST by bgill
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To: ExpatGator

Starter seeds are fun. I just buy those little pellets that you fill with water. The pellets then expand and you push the seeds down the middle. You then place the clear plastic cover over it (it comes with the pellets) and that works as the greenhouse. Obviously, you need a sunny window.


32 posted on 01/17/2014 9:30:50 AM PST by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: greeneyes

Hi all, just checking in. No gardening going on here in west Michigan. It is a warmer 20 degrees today, we have about 2 feet of snow in the ground and almost 60 inches so far this winter. I do have a basil plant on my windowsill, taken from a cutting fro the garden that spouted easily in water last fall. It’s even flowering. I’ll have to make a trip to the local botanical gardens just to be around some greenery or I really will go nuts.


33 posted on 01/17/2014 9:41:19 AM PST by MomwithHope (Let's make Mark Levin's The Liberty Amendments a reality!)
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To: miss marmelstein

I never knew if those were worth using. Thanks!


34 posted on 01/17/2014 9:49:02 AM PST by ExpatGator (I hate Illinois Nazis!)
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To: miss marmelstein

I’ve never heard of those “water” pellets. Where do you get them? I’d like to try some.


36 posted on 01/17/2014 10:22:12 AM PST by tillacum
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To: bgill

Well, best of luck then! With it being such a cold winter, it might just work out perfect.


37 posted on 01/17/2014 10:34:06 AM PST by KGeorge (Till we're together again, Gypsy girl. May 28, 1998- June 3, 2013)
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To: Arrowhead1952

Southeast Texas where I am is pine tree country - pine tree pollen is yellow. When that starts, everything is covered with yellow pollen. One has to wash the windshield of the car so one can see out before driving.


38 posted on 01/17/2014 10:35:55 AM PST by Marcella ((Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.))
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To: greeneyes
Hard frost here in east central Florida this morning.

Planted collards and red radicchio the other day. They handled the frost with no problems.


39 posted on 01/17/2014 10:49:16 AM PST by Jed Eckert (Wolverines!!)
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To: Marcella

The male cedar trees are rust colored now. The dust that covers the windshields, outdoor furniture, etc., is chalky colored. When you clean the car glass, it turns the towels olive drab green. I wash my windshield about every two days.


40 posted on 01/17/2014 11:33:10 AM PST by Arrowhead1952 (The Second Amendment is NOT about the right to hunt. It IS a right to shoot tyrants.)
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To: tillacum

Nurseries have them now. The pellets are enclosed in a plastic rectangle box. These boxes sell for about 20 dollars. I save the boxes from year to year and simply replace the pellets. I’ve had high failure rate and high success rate - which I think is based on the seeds I purchase, not the pellets.


41 posted on 01/17/2014 11:48:09 AM PST by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: KGeorge
I believe I’ll hit Fanick’s tomorrow

Please post a full report..Avocado trees, Meyer Lemon, this year's rodeo tomato..any thing interesting that they've got.

42 posted on 01/17/2014 11:56:37 AM PST by sockmonkey (Of Course I didn't read the article. After all, this is FreeRepublic..)
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To: sockmonkey

Will do. Boy, I would love to have a Meyer lemon!

I haven’t been there before (just Schulz in Marion). A couple of people have recommended Fanick’s & I have been raring to go. lol I am sure this means trouble- NOT a “safe zone” for me.


43 posted on 01/17/2014 12:08:15 PM PST by KGeorge (Till we're together again, Gypsy girl. May 28, 1998- June 3, 2013)
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To: KGeorge

*** A couple of people have recommended Fanick’s & I have been raring to go. lol I am sure this means trouble- NOT a “safe zone” for me.**

http://www.fanicknursery.com/

I just looked..I don’t know what Candy Apple Onions are, and I have onions out the wazoo, but they sure seem to have some I haven’t heard of before.

I also want a pomegranate tree. My old one croaked because I had it in a pot, and forgot to water it enough.


44 posted on 01/17/2014 12:18:07 PM PST by sockmonkey (Of Course I didn't read the article. After all, this is FreeRepublic..)
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To: KGeorge

Sorry for the double post, but sock monkey has turned me on to something new (the Rodeo tomato), & consequently, to some detailed information on growing that other new gardeners may find helpful.

http://content.clearchannel.com/cc-common/mlib/1229/02/1229_1360336401.pdf


45 posted on 01/17/2014 12:25:05 PM PST by KGeorge (Till we're together again, Gypsy girl. May 28, 1998- June 3, 2013)
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To: KGeorge

Hello KGeorge . . . check your local Lowe’s in the Spring and Summer months for Meyers Lemons. I have seen them in both New Braunfels and San Marcos. I hope this helps.


46 posted on 01/17/2014 12:25:20 PM PST by HopeandGlory (Hey, Liberals . . . PC died on 9/11 . . . GET USED TO IT!!!)
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To: sockmonkey

A Meyer Lemon is #2 on the wish list. Blackberries are #1 and a small fig is #3. The fig was another that bit the dust during construction but don’t know where I’d plant it unless I moved the asparagus. Used to also have grapes and plum trees.


47 posted on 01/17/2014 12:29:51 PM PST by bgill
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To: miss marmelstein

I tried those pellets once about 12 years ago. I got the seeds in them, then a big gust of wind blew them off the back porch table and all over the place. I recovered most, but later I found some tomato plants in pellets growing in the nearby flower beds. They were about 6in. tall and looking very bushy.


48 posted on 01/17/2014 12:39:24 PM PST by rightly_dividing (1st Cor. 15: 1-4)
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To: patriot08

Thankyouthankyouthankyou especially for the clay soil info!


49 posted on 01/17/2014 12:51:16 PM PST by Silentgypsy (Well, let me tell you about what low gravity does)
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To: bgill

I finally gave up on trying to grow a fig tree after 4 failed attempts.

I have two Meyers lemon trees, but not yet had a ripe lemon. One has a lemon growing and about to ripen, though.

Being from the South, I have not yet grown accustomed to the need to plant blackberries, they grew wild there, and I see a few growing here in S E Texas. I think I will have a friend there send us some to get seeds, since I haven’t a clue what variety to buy and my wife is bout out of BB jelly.


50 posted on 01/17/2014 12:51:51 PM PST by rightly_dividing (1st Cor. 15: 1-4)
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