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Florida theatre killing proves guys with guns are primed to shoot
latimes.com ^ | Jan. 15, 2014 | David Horsey

Posted on 01/17/2014 6:10:16 AM PST by Anton.Rutter

Guns don’t kill people, popcorn kills people. Or maybe it’s texting. Or just being in the wrong place at the wrong time with some fool who thinks he needs to take a gun to the movies.



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1 posted on 01/17/2014 6:10:16 AM PST by Anton.Rutter
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To: Anton.Rutter

Then I can expect thousands of shootings today in my state alone?


2 posted on 01/17/2014 6:12:26 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek

Or the millions of FReepers that cook up a batch when a good show (thread) begins ....


3 posted on 01/17/2014 6:13:31 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: Anton.Rutter

Except the guy in question was an ex-cop - you know, one of the only kind of guys liberals think should be allowed to have guns.


4 posted on 01/17/2014 6:13:43 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy

A retired cop. Someone that the liberals deem to be so so much better than the masses that they are allowed to carry nationwide.


5 posted on 01/17/2014 6:16:26 AM PST by VeniVidiVici (Play the 'Knockout Game' with someone owning a 9mm and you get what you deserve)
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To: Anton.Rutter

Well, it does prove one guy is. But this article exposes failure of this author’s intellectual approach to thisliberal group think: He is lumping people into groups rather than focusing on the individual.

I see it in people’s perspective on auto accidents. If a car gets in an accident people blame it on the driver(stupid women drivers or asian drivers, or teenagers, etc.)But when a truck or motorcycle causes an accident they tend to say, “stupid truck drivers” or “stupid motorcyclists”.

One could just as easily say that retired cops have a superiority complex and that was the problem here.

That said, an armed society is a polite society. I wonder if the deceased would have acted the way he did if the cop had been open carrying from the git go.


6 posted on 01/17/2014 6:17:24 AM PST by cuban leaf
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To: Anton.Rutter

Nope. Just proves you can’t trust cops. They have this “eff all you peasants” attitude that makes them dangerous.


7 posted on 01/17/2014 6:17:25 AM PST by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: Anton.Rutter

With almost as many guns as there are people we see thousands of people shot in each theater each showing.


8 posted on 01/17/2014 6:18:52 AM PST by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: cripplecreek

Jeepers! It’s gonna’ be like Antietam down here today!


9 posted on 01/17/2014 6:19:02 AM PST by PowderMonkey (WILL WORK FOR AMMO)
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To: dirtboy
... AND .. he knew what he was doin'
10 posted on 01/17/2014 6:19:21 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: Anton.Rutter

No, it proves that a cop went nuts.


11 posted on 01/17/2014 6:19:26 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS! BETTER DEAD THAN RED!)
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To: Anton.Rutter

It wasn’t a “guy” - it was an ex-cop with an elitist sense of authority.


12 posted on 01/17/2014 6:19:32 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: cripplecreek
I rarely go to the movies, but tomorrow, me and my little friend, will be going to see Lone Survivor.

Whether I'm going to Church, the mall, walking the dog or to the bank, I never leave home with out it.

I'd never shoot a guy for throwing popcorn, gummy bears, maybe, but popcorn...

13 posted on 01/17/2014 6:19:38 AM PST by USS Alaska (If I could...I would.)
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To: USS Alaska

Well, those sugarfree gummy bears have been proven near lethal - but you have to ingest them.


14 posted on 01/17/2014 6:20:42 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Anton.Rutter

Then comparable stats need to be thrown back in their face. If one person out of millions misuses food stamps, cancel all food stamps. If one person abuses Medicaid, it’s a program that must be stopped. If one illegal commits a crime, shouldn’t we deport all illegals?


15 posted on 01/17/2014 6:24:30 AM PST by ilgipper (Obama is proving that very bad ideas can be wrapped up in pretty words)
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To: Anton.Rutter

BTW, not that this justifies the shooting, but something tells me the deceaced was a royal prick. I’ve come across that sort of person more than once. It’s slightly skewing my attitude about this thing.

I know that if even a total jerk asked me to stop texting in a theater I’d stop doing it. I might grumble to myself but the Bible pretty clearly teaches me how to deal with such situations.


16 posted on 01/17/2014 6:25:15 AM PST by cuban leaf
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To: Anton.Rutter

Yes, an example of one is always good for coming to a universal conclusion.


17 posted on 01/17/2014 6:27:31 AM PST by Attention Surplus Disorder (At no time was the Obama administration aware of what the Obama administration was doing)
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To: Anton.Rutter

I marvel at the lack of logic that leftist suffer under. Here the writer tries to bolster his position by citing the background of the shooter to maintain that a gun, no matter who carries it, is going to drive the wearer to kill someone. By raising this fallacious argument, he suggests that trained law enforcement should all be disarmed since that dastardly gun on their hip is going to overpower their good sense and cause them to illegally kill someone. Logic says that people, not guns kill people and there is always going to a bad apple in any barrel.


18 posted on 01/17/2014 6:32:34 AM PST by iontheball
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To: Anton.Rutter

Using their own logic....

Only cops should have guns. And Guns should not be in movie theaters. Therefore, cops should not be allowed to go to the movies.


19 posted on 01/17/2014 6:34:23 AM PST by Tenacious 1 (Liberals can afford for things to go well, to work, for folks to be happy. They'd be out of work.)
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To: cuban leaf
BTW, not that this justifies the shooting, but something tells me the deceaced was a royal prick. I’ve come across that sort of person more than once. It’s slightly skewing my attitude about this thing.

You realize he and his wife were on a date. Their two year old was with the babysitter. The movie hadn't started yet and he was texting with the babysitter. I'm not sure anything has been reported that suggests "the deceaced was a royal prick."

My opinion? Your assumption is not based on a reasonable review of the reports.

20 posted on 01/17/2014 6:39:18 AM PST by Tenacious 1 (Liberals can afford for things to go well, to work, for folks to be happy. They'd be out of work.)
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To: Tenacious 1

When I first read this story, I got the same impression cuban leaf did.

However, that power tripping ex-cop wasn’t right in his actions either. None of this had to happen, a simple thing turned deadly because of attitudes.


21 posted on 01/17/2014 6:46:31 AM PST by Bulwyf
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To: Tenacious 1

Maybe I missed some stuff or gleaned stuff that was not there. I thought there was something about him throwing popcorn on the guy.


22 posted on 01/17/2014 6:46:44 AM PST by cuban leaf
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To: Anton.Rutter
This is interesting. I know hundreds of people who carry a handgun legally every day. I do not know anyone who has used their handgun to harm another person. I also know a few hundred people who have vaginas. That I know of not one of them is a prostitute.
23 posted on 01/17/2014 6:53:18 AM PST by oldenuff2no ( Retired AB Ranger, 23 years active duty.)
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To: Anton.Rutter

It could be said that ex over trained swat type thug cops with guns kill people.

But since many other types of people own guns and do not kill people the problem is the ex over trained swat type thug cop and not the fire arm that is the problem.


24 posted on 01/17/2014 6:53:19 AM PST by cableguymn (It's time for a second political party.)
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To: Anton.Rutter

Maybe it proves that cops and ex-cops are primed to shoot - and thus shouldn’t be allowed to carry guns, like in jolly olde England...


25 posted on 01/17/2014 6:55:12 AM PST by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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To: PowderMonkey

Last I read, 1 in every 17 Michiganders has a concealed carry permit. That doesn’t include open carriers and long guns which reach into the millions.


26 posted on 01/17/2014 6:59:35 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Anton.Rutter
...guys with guns... ... the texting guy...

The urban media finds the words man and men icky. The word guy takes the edge off. It's part of the emasculation that occurs in high density urban areas. City life is for women and fags hoping to meet a rich prince "guy" and live happily ever after. And we are hoping they never leave their sewered castle.

27 posted on 01/17/2014 7:00:10 AM PST by Reeses
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To: cableguymn

Especially when you’re the captain that formed their first SWAT team, first he has to pose like someone who needs a football stadium to shake the drizzle off his schnizzel, second he’s going to be more motivated than the average badgewearer to jump down the throat of any pissing contest that came along. You don’t say “no” to the “P. O.”.


28 posted on 01/17/2014 7:09:04 AM PST by Anton.Rutter
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To: Anton.Rutter

“Expected.”

Yep, and oh so predictable. Amazing how this “journalist” ignores the thousands of justified uses by CCW holders, versus the minuscule number of misuses. Beyond that, this shooter was an ex-cop who could probably carry in a lot of states that don’t issue CCW permits to most folk.

I hope the shooter in this case gets what he deserves, but this incident does nothing to invalidate concealed carry as a desirable thing in general.


29 posted on 01/17/2014 7:09:22 AM PST by PreciousLiberty
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To: Anton.Rutter

I wondered if the shooter was a registered Democrat or not. No one has said. Since its been not reported I am going out on a limb and state he’s a registered Democrat.


30 posted on 01/17/2014 7:19:08 AM PST by vetvetdoug
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To: iontheball

Cars kill far more people than guns.

Maybe all cops should be on foot or horseback?


31 posted on 01/17/2014 7:19:35 AM PST by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad and lived with his parents .)
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To: Anton.Rutter

I think what it proves is that ex cops with a bad attitude are primed to use their guns. The worst nightmare of regular folks who CC is that they will have to shoot someone.


32 posted on 01/17/2014 7:21:15 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: PreciousLiberty
The same people justifying the death penalty for popcorn would be crucifying the victim right now if he'd defended himself with a handgun. The Textfinder General would be lauded as a selfless hero who died saving a theater full of people against a berserk gunman.

If I said he shot him down like a dog, that would be overly dramatic. But he went straight to the police book of loopholes with a perfectly calm demeanor as if he'd done nothing even as significant as shooting a dog. "I shot him."

He knew what he would do, he knew what he would say, but I think he may mistake the outcome.

33 posted on 01/17/2014 7:26:59 AM PST by Anton.Rutter
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Right on.


34 posted on 01/17/2014 7:33:44 AM PST by Anton.Rutter
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To: Bulwyf

My scenario (having no knowledge of the facts is that a career as a cop caused a mental disorder that rendered incapable of coping with total open disrespect.

This question should cause us to ask what we can do to change our culture of how cops are treated that causes them to suffer from this.

Its also related to the high unpunished rate of spousal abuse by cops.


35 posted on 01/17/2014 7:34:21 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed ("Income Inequality?" Let's start with Washington DC vs. the rest of the nation!)
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To: Anton.Rutter

Sometimes it’s A-holes with chips on their shoulders that kill people.


36 posted on 01/17/2014 7:37:36 AM PST by Jack of all Trades (Hold your face to the light, even though for the moment you do not see.)
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To: Anton.Rutter

100 million gun owners killed no one yesterday. The “authors” argument is invalid...

Plus, the shooter was retired LAW ENFORCEMENT. The very folks this idiot thinks are the only ones who should have guns in our Society...


37 posted on 01/17/2014 7:38:20 AM PST by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: Little Ray

Many do.


38 posted on 01/17/2014 7:42:43 AM PST by Blue Collar Christian (Vote Democrat. Once you're OK with killing babies the rest is easy. <BCC><)
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To: iontheball

“....maintain that a gun, no matter who carries it, is going to drive the wearer to kill someone.”

That’s typical liberal projection.


39 posted on 01/17/2014 7:46:08 AM PST by Blue Collar Christian (Vote Democrat. Once you're OK with killing babies the rest is easy. <BCC><)
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To: Anton.Rutter

The lib finally have a single example and will forever pretend it happens everywhere, all of the time.


40 posted on 01/17/2014 7:47:51 AM PST by G Larry
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To: Anton.Rutter

Don’t mess with 70+ guys, they have low tolerance. You never know what kind of a response you will get, especially if they are former service retired. In Florida there are many, and they do have a short fuse. They grew up in a respectful society, and don’t put up with the nonsense of what passes for it today. This is a case of a young hot head vs an old hot head. It could have been avoided, after all, when you go to see a movie you don’t want to listen to phones going off and conversations.


41 posted on 01/17/2014 8:00:42 AM PST by Bringbackthedraft (Remember Ty Woods? Glenn Doherty ? Forgot already?)
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To: Anton.Rutter

During deer hunting season in Wisconsin, I can drive down a number of rural roads and see hunters carrying their guns into the woods. Now according to lib columnists, these hunters should be shooting randomly at people in cars, right? Somehow, that never happens.


42 posted on 01/17/2014 8:08:31 AM PST by driftless2
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To: Anton.Rutter
Guns don’t kill people, popcorn kills people. Or maybe it’s texting. Or just being in the wrong place at the wrong time with some fool who thinks he needs to take a gun to the movies.

My vote is for texting during a movie. Some clueless wastes of skin deserve whatever they get. What good are they if they are so self-centered to be oblivious to etiquette, or simple social courtesy?

43 posted on 01/17/2014 8:11:10 AM PST by publius911 ( At least Nixon had the good g race to resign!)
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To: ilgipper
If one person out of millions misuses food stamps, cancel all food stamps.

If I told you once, I've told you a million times not to exaggerate. Or engage in mindless hyperbole; or opening mouth before engaging brain.
Not many adults get numbers reversed so badly...

44 posted on 01/17/2014 8:15:13 AM PST by publius911 ( At least Nixon had the good g race to resign!)
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To: Bringbackthedraft

Be professional,

Be polite,

Be prepared to kill every old fart you meet.


45 posted on 01/17/2014 8:15:54 AM PST by Anton.Rutter
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To: Tenacious 1
You realize he and his wife were on a date. Their two year old was with the babysitter. The movie hadn't started yet and he was texting with the babysitter. I'm not sure anything has been reported that suggests "the deceaced was a royal prick."

Your faulty analysis does not change a thing. Stepping out to the lobby to deal with texting "emergencies" (by definition) is not an unreasonable expectation.

46 posted on 01/17/2014 8:19:34 AM PST by publius911 ( At least Nixon had the good g race to resign!)
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To: publius911; All
Some clueless wastes of skin deserve whatever they get.

Perfect example, here is someone you do not want with you on the Freeper march to DC...if a bird crapped on his shoulder and he thought somebody threw it, it'd be all over.

47 posted on 01/17/2014 8:23:46 AM PST by Anton.Rutter
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To: LibLieSlayer
No, it proves that a cop went nuts.

Like a character out of Weinstein movie

I will be using the description often from now on.

48 posted on 01/17/2014 8:52:09 AM PST by School of Rational Thought
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To: publius911
Your faulty analysis does not change a thing.

I made no analysis. I regurgitated facts from various stories regarding the circumstances. Then I commented on the lack of reasonable evidence reported that would lead a normal person to suggest the victim was "a royal prick."

There is no argument that can be made about the validity of my post. You look silly trying to discredit me. The "royal prick" shot the evil texter in the chest after he got a face full of popcorn.

49 posted on 01/17/2014 9:19:20 AM PST by Tenacious 1 (Liberals can afford for things to go well, to work, for folks to be happy. They'd be out of work.)
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To: Anton.Rutter; publius911
Publius may have some low blood sugar or something. He's been around since 2001. He seems to be advocating the shooting of people that piss other people off when they can be judged as "royal pricks". Texting during the previews of movies does qualify, apparently.

From his bio page...

Lifetime resident of California; Have lived in San Francisco (23 yrs), Marin County (35 yrs), Calif Central Valley, (12 yrs) Retired civil engineer/ surveyor/CAD specialist (45 yrs). Registered Democrat, but fiscal and social Conservative in voting booth (usually non-democrat.) Retired since 2007. Interests: History, Geography, art, travel, photography, antisocialism, antikoranimals, anti texting zombies, anti twits. Support: Constitution, Bill of Rights, Tea Party, Second Amendment, Tenth Amendment, legal immigration.

50 posted on 01/17/2014 9:26:35 AM PST by Tenacious 1 (Liberals can afford for things to go well, to work, for folks to be happy. They'd be out of work.)
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