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Suspect yelled “I’m not going to jail” before charging at officer
KHOU ^ | 1-17-14 | Larry Seward

Posted on 01/17/2014 9:13:06 AM PST by smokingfrog

HOUSTON -- A suspect was shot and killed by an officer with the Houston Police Department late Thursday.

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Smith said a uniformed officer was working security when he saw a young man looking in the windows of a bicycle shop. The officer believed the man was casing the business and approached the suspect, who then got on a bike and started riding away.

The officer got in his personal vehicle and stopped the suspect, police said. As he was being detained, police said the suspect shoved the officer and ran across the parking lot to get away. The officer chased the suspect behind the building.

The officer said the suspect stopped and put his hands in his pants as if he were grabbing at something. He then charged at the officer, yelling “I’m not going to jail!”

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1 posted on 01/17/2014 9:13:07 AM PST by smokingfrog
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To: smokingfrog

Is he in jail now?


2 posted on 01/17/2014 9:14:29 AM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
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To: smokingfrog

He was right.


3 posted on 01/17/2014 9:15:04 AM PST by AU72
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To: smokingfrog

And proved it.


4 posted on 01/17/2014 9:16:04 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: smokingfrog

“I’m not going to jail!”, He’s RIGHT, He(his soul) is in Hell and his body is in the Morgue,


5 posted on 01/17/2014 9:16:07 AM PST by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: smokingfrog

We’ll never know the details of this incident, but suffice it to say that these days if a cop demands you whistle dixie you do it, smiling and in any key he asks.


6 posted on 01/17/2014 9:19:11 AM PST by skeeter
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To: US Navy Vet

Since when is “window shopping” and scratching your privates a crime? I’m sure he was a good boy and aspiring rapper that had been in trouble in the past but was starting to turn his life around.

Of course, if he didn’t have a gun, knife or other weapon, it could be bad news for the officer, and Quanell X protests will ensue.


7 posted on 01/17/2014 9:23:05 AM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: smokingfrog

So...the guy was doing NOTHING wrong, and the HPD officer winds up shooting him dead.


8 posted on 01/17/2014 9:25:10 AM PST by moovova
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To: smokingfrog

Where’s a taser happy cop when you need one?


9 posted on 01/17/2014 9:27:06 AM PST by DannyTN (A>)
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To: smokingfrog

Where’s a taser happy cop when you need one?


10 posted on 01/17/2014 9:27:06 AM PST by DannyTN (A>)
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To: smokingfrog
...put his hands in his pants as if he were grabbing at something.

Suuuuuure he did.

11 posted on 01/17/2014 9:28:08 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts ("The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it." - George Orwell)
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To: smokingfrog

Stupid move on the dead guy’s part. There is nothing illegal about looking at bicycles in a window.


12 posted on 01/17/2014 9:28:27 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (The War on Drugs has been used as an excuse to steal your rights. Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: moovova

“So...the guy was doing NOTHING wrong, and the HPD officer winds up shooting him dead.”

Exactly what I was thinking. Defy a stasi officer these days and you end up dead.


13 posted on 01/17/2014 9:28:50 AM PST by raybbr (I weep over my sons' future in this Godforsaken country.)
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To: raybbr

“...Defy a stasi officer these days and you end up dead.”
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And I guess that applies, as apparently in this case, when the officer is off-duty working an extra job.


14 posted on 01/17/2014 9:31:29 AM PST by House Atreides
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To: moovova

we really don’t know if he was casing the store, or just looking inside.

prsonally i’d say both sides over-reacted and fed each others’ over-reactions. now one is dead and looking in a store window, without anything else, is not justifiable for a shooting.

i guess in 2014 don’t look inside a store’s windows with a cop/security guy who assumes you’re doing something wrong until proven otherwise.

good grief.


15 posted on 01/17/2014 9:32:53 AM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: smokingfrog

His career as a fortune teller ended way too quick.


16 posted on 01/17/2014 9:35:23 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: Secret Agent Man

It wasn’t looking in the store window that got him shot - if true, it’s that he charged the officer in the manner he did. I will wait for more info before passing judgement here.


17 posted on 01/17/2014 9:35:50 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: smokingfrog
Wait a minute, he was a bike rider and stopped to look at bikes in a storefront window and that gave the cop probable cause to hassle and detain him in the first place?

So I suppose if a person goes grocery shopping and does a little price comparison, that`s also cause to be harassed? So let me ask the love your local "officer friendly" types who agree with this kind of jackbooted thuggery a question.

If just looking at bikes are just cause for harassment, what if you post signs that are pro-second amendment and "officer friendly" comes to your door and hassles you, then demands to see your guns for "verification of compliance" with the regime`s "laws", is that just cause?

18 posted on 01/17/2014 9:39:20 AM PST by nomad
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To: smokingfrog

Considering the rash of recent videos catching LEOs killing citizens and then lying about it, these situations have become suspect to me.


19 posted on 01/17/2014 9:40:36 AM PST by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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To: dirtboy

yes but the officer was the one who kept this going by chasing the guy in his car. for looking in the window.

i think that is excessive. he wasn’t a cop and doesn’t have the same powers or mission of a cop when he’s one store’s security guard. if the guywas going to run away he could have let him run away and if necessary reported it to on-duty police.


20 posted on 01/17/2014 9:40:46 AM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: smokingfrog

Natural selection wins again.

;-)


21 posted on 01/17/2014 9:44:04 AM PST by GladesGuru (Islam Delenda Est - because of what Islam is and because of what Muslims do.)
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To: smokingfrog

I guess he got that right.


22 posted on 01/17/2014 9:47:07 AM PST by b4its2late (A Progressive is a person who will give away everything he doesn't own.)
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To: Secret Agent Man
He wasn't hired for just one store, but for a shopping center. From the article:

HPD said the owner of the shopping center recently hired officers to work security due to break-ins at the businesses.

My guess is we will find out the dead man had at least one warrant out for his arrest. If this had happened to me, I would have been sitting still and figuring out how much I could sue the shopping center for unlawful arrest - not shoving the officer, running away and then charging him in such a manner.

23 posted on 01/17/2014 9:50:19 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: Blood of Tyrants
There is nothing illegal about looking at bicycles in a window.

I think we'll find out he has a warrant or two out for his arrest.

24 posted on 01/17/2014 9:53:08 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy

Still, you are not required to give your name and to show your papers to a police officer if you are doing nothing illegal.


25 posted on 01/17/2014 9:58:41 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (The War on Drugs has been used as an excuse to steal your rights. Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Well, he did more than just refuse to give his name.


26 posted on 01/17/2014 9:59:21 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy

probably true. i would have done the same as you if it got to that point.

i think though the guy was in cop mode rather than security guard mode and the cop escalated this into a situation that he believed allowed him to shoot the guy.


27 posted on 01/17/2014 10:08:38 AM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Secret Agent Man
If it is true that the guy charged with a hand in his pocket and yelling what he is alleged to have yelled, I think just about anyone would be justified in using lethal force under the circumstances, because there clearly was an implied threat of violence in his actions. Recall that Travyon was not armed yet was well on his way to killing Zimmerman after attacking him.

There are many uses of excessive force out there, but if the basic story holds up I don't think this is one of those.

28 posted on 01/17/2014 10:16:26 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: smokingfrog

So looking in windows is illegal in Houston?

These steroid addicted cops are out of control.


29 posted on 01/17/2014 10:18:58 AM PST by ladyjane
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To: Blood of Tyrants
The story is missing details. It says that they were looking into a bike store and then the suspect rode off on a bike. Was the bike his or did it belong to the store?The bike doesn't look valuable enough to constitute felony theft if it belonged to the store.

They also have slightly different statements. One has the suspect saying "I'm not going to jail" and the other says "I'm not going BACK to jail".

Still not worth getting shot over.

30 posted on 01/17/2014 10:46:55 AM PST by kaboom
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To: dirtboy

Zimmerman never cornered the guy anywhere. Looking into private residences with a bag of tools (a break-in bag) and someone looking into a store window that purposely displays items in those windows, are not the same thing.

A security guard (who is also a cop) is not a guy who decided NOT to be a cop but was just a ccw neighborhood watch volunteer, not even on volunteer time, running an errand at the time, is not the same thing.

This guard reverted into COP mode. Security guards are not cops and the jurisdiction is different and hunting perps down off the mall in an alley is I believe, over the top. I believe it showed he was in COP mode and not security guard mode andymore.


31 posted on 01/17/2014 11:03:15 AM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: kaboom

And I would also add to the not worth getting shot over, not worth hunting the guy down and shooting him.


32 posted on 01/17/2014 11:04:03 AM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

In referring to Zimmerman, I am saying that one does not need to actually see a weapon to have reason to fear for one’s life in such a situation.


33 posted on 01/17/2014 11:07:56 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: kaboom

Well, I guess that he won’t be going to jail indeed.


34 posted on 01/17/2014 11:12:23 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (The War on Drugs has been used as an excuse to steal your rights. Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: dirtboy

I agree, but the situation wouldn’t have gotten that far if the guard wouldn’t have chased him down into an alley like a COP. For looking into a damn store window. Why have windows on the store displaying the bikes, then if you’re gonna go after anyone who stands there and looks at the bikes?

The mentality of cops today is so different. They are not peace officers. Fifty years ago cops would not let a situation get to this point and they’d know how to deal with it without having to kill a person.


35 posted on 01/17/2014 11:16:50 AM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: smokingfrog

Now wait a minute. Here we have a thread where the anti-LEO do not call proponents of the final result, boot-lickers. How can that be?


36 posted on 01/17/2014 11:21:08 AM PST by SgtHooper (If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

” Fifty years ago cops would not let a situation get to this point and they’d know how to deal with it without having to kill a person.”


Fifty years ago they just went around wacking with billy clubs,had no Miranda warnings,and some detentions could be brutal.

Paradise.

.


37 posted on 01/17/2014 11:22:22 AM PST by Mears
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To: Mears

That’s better than being shot for looking into a store window. It’s better than now “Officer Safety Above All Else, Including Your Rights”. It’s better than now where all dogs are potential target practice. Even the ones fenced in in their own back yards.


38 posted on 01/17/2014 11:27:21 AM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: kaboom
My guess would be back to jail.
39 posted on 01/17/2014 11:40:31 AM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: smokingfrog

That’s the badgemonkeys story and he’s sticking to it.....at least as long as no video appears to prove
he’s lying.


40 posted on 01/17/2014 9:34:49 PM PST by nvscanman
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