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Ominous warning: Admiral concedes U.S. losing dominance to China
The Washington Times ^ | Thursday January 16, 2014 | By Guy Taylor and Rowan Scarborough

Posted on 01/17/2014 6:55:29 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network

Ominous warning: Admiral concedes U.S. losing dominance to China

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America, stop sending US industry to China.

America needs to build things right here, in America.

Bring back American manufacturing.

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Although Adm. Locklear said it is obvious that Chinese military power is growing, he suggested that it is unclear whether China will seek to be a hard adversary to the U.S. in the long term, so Washington should be working overtime on steering Beijing toward a cooperative security posture.

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1 posted on 01/17/2014 6:55:29 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Our foreign policy is adrift. Obama is pathetic.


2 posted on 01/17/2014 6:57:02 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
Isn't this what all the liberals claim to want...a bipolar rather than unipolar world?

That's what I remember Madeleine Allbright saying and they all believe it.

3 posted on 01/17/2014 7:00:36 PM PST by what's up
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

That’s by design.Osama Obama and his Maoist pals will settle for nothing less.After all our Armed Forces have caused nothing but death,destruction and oppression for the last 50 years or more.


4 posted on 01/17/2014 7:02:17 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (Osama Obama Care: A Religion That Will Have You On Your Knees!)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Our government is so corrupt, unconstitutional, and malignant, that as Hillary said, what difference does it make. I honestly can’t support US foreign policy because I believe that the US government is a force for evil. That said, China is no better. I guess all we can hope for is that evil will exhaust itself be battling against itself.


5 posted on 01/17/2014 7:02:38 PM PST by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est. New US economy: Fascism on top, Socialism on the bottom.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
Under normal circumstances, the US would make it clear that we had close alliances with Japan and India. They would help us, we would help them. Any country caught in the middle (*ahem* China *ahem*) would be outclassed by population, technology, resources and money.

But the US has alienated India and shown no support for Japan. Asia fears the dragon and no longer sees the US as a reliable counterweight.

6 posted on 01/17/2014 7:06:07 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (Anti-Complacency League! Baby!)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
America needs to build things right here, in America. Bring back American manufacturing.

There is a whole new generation of people in the street that had never worked at a factory and has no intention to start. Toiling at a conveyor is not a clean and easy office job. Such work would have to be poorly paid because one does not need a university diploma to push the same one button on a machine every single day. The country may not have workers anymore that would fit into that niche.

Domestic manufacturing is possible; but it will have to be entirely robotic. This will avoid the problem of very expensive human labor. This will also increase the pool of permanently unemployed people. It will be so because robotic factories will not need inefficient but overpaid humans to do repetitive tasks. Those humans who cannot find a more creative occupation for themselves (engineers, techs, doctors, artists) will have to be on social security forever.

7 posted on 01/17/2014 7:06:35 PM PST by Greysard
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Anyone supporting Free Trade with Communist China is committing treason.

It wasn’t too long ago that aiding the enemy got one executed for Treason.

How stupid can anyone be continuing to support our economic situation with Communist China


8 posted on 01/17/2014 7:08:36 PM PST by SeminoleCounty (Amnesty And Not Ending ObamaCare Will Kill GOP In 2014)
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To: Viennacon

Our financial policies is killing this country. China does not have to sink our carriers, our budget deficits will force us to mothball one carrier at a time as we do not have funds to keep it at sea. Look at Britain as an example. Due to budgetary constraints, the Brits could not even maintain a no fly zone with 24 aircraft over Libya because the funds for the operations ran out within 30 days.
One can see this in the Chinese attitude. We array more carriers, yet the PLAN take a leisurely pace in developing her carrier forces. They have only one carrier and using it to test various aircraft on take off and landing as well as carrier air and deck operations. Nobody seems to be rushing to match US Pacific Fleet for a war. Rather it is slow and meticulous. China knows the US budget deficit will crush US power.


9 posted on 01/17/2014 7:09:09 PM PST by Fee
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To: Greysard

Automation in the US will hire more Americans than factories in Communist China.

Automated factories will always need humans to service equipment, make repairs, and program the machines. In fact, another drawback of Free Trade with Communist China is that we could have automated a lot cheaper years ago...but it was cheaper to use ChiCom labor


10 posted on 01/17/2014 7:13:00 PM PST by SeminoleCounty (Amnesty And Not Ending ObamaCare Will Kill GOP In 2014)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
Ominous warning: Admiral concedes U.S. losing dominance to China

What's his concern? The current resident and demonrats have been working to this end for years, and demonrats in general for decades! America is a bully, America is past it's prime, America apologizes for being exceptional, so says the pussy in chief. I say America is only guilty of pulling the worlds nuts out of the fire repeatedly thru the blood of our young and the fruits and hard work of a nation. But what the hell the demonrats are getting what they want the trashing of America.

11 posted on 01/17/2014 7:16:24 PM PST by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: grumpygresh

I know exactly how you feel because I feel the same way. When the Dept of Homeland Security considers us military veterans, patriots and bible carrying citizens as potential terrorists then I too no longer trust anything that comes out of the mouth or brain of a federal employee. If they view me as a potential terrorist then they are my enemy.

When my state legislature considers the welfare of illegal aliens before the health of our own state citizens I can no longer support my government.

When the Courts no longer appear to follow the law of reason and common sense, why should I respect them?

Our military has succumbed to a mass infiltration of deviates and anti Christian regulations. Don’t expect me to support those ideas either.

There’s no reason for me to go on with this rant as you understand how I feel.


12 posted on 01/17/2014 7:22:20 PM PST by B4Ranch (Name your illness, do a Google & YouTube search with "hydrogen peroxide". Do it and be surprised.)
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To: B4Ranch

I’m sorry I do not agree with opposing American power.

We need to win elections, and win back government, but there is absolutely no excuse for making America weaker.

None.


13 posted on 01/17/2014 7:24:11 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2013)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
Obama: "We Welcome China's Rise"
CBS News ^ | January 19, 2011 | Stephanie Condon
14 posted on 01/17/2014 7:24:56 PM PST by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
Bring back American manufacturing

What's the brand name of the computer you used to post this article?

Was it an "American" made Compaq or a Chinese made Compak which a friends of mine saw in India (the second most populated country in the world)?

China no longer needs "our" industries. They have their own and are flooding the world with them, brands such as KFG, Mike shoes, King Burger, LL Been backpacks (flooding southeast asia), Sonie DVD players.

I suppose we could boycott China but do we still have the buying power to make the difference? "Our" jobs didn't just go to China. They went to India, Malaysia, Korea, Mexico and many other nations and I doubt we'll see them come back in our lifetime. We've seen our peak. We are in the midst of a self-inflicted freefall.

Nobody sent "our" jobs there. They were never ours to begin with. They are the jobs of the manufacturing companies that decided that America is no longer a business friendly nation.

15 posted on 01/17/2014 7:25:55 PM PST by tsowellfan (www.cafenetamerica.com)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
"I will not weaponize space"

"I will cut investments in unproven missile defense systems"

"I will slow our development of future combat systems"

-- Barack Obama, 2007 campaign trail

16 posted on 01/17/2014 7:28:21 PM PST by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

America needs to build things right here, in America.


DUH!... a little late for that isn’t it?...


17 posted on 01/17/2014 7:33:19 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Ominous warning: the regime needs a war against China to distract the citizenry from domestic affairs and unite the ignorant against a common enemy.


18 posted on 01/17/2014 7:35:16 PM PST by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est. New US economy: Fascism on top, Socialism on the bottom.)
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To: hosepipe

Anyone building a factory in the U.S. now must have been asleep for 20/30 years..
even in a right to work State..


19 posted on 01/17/2014 7:35:37 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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From the Sino-Russian Joint Statement of April 23, 1997:
"The two sides [China and Russia] shall, in the spirit of partnership, strive to promote the multipolarization of the world and the establishment of a new international order."
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Central_Asia/HI29Ag01.html
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The Idiot's Guide to Chinagate [flashback Bill Clinton]
richardpoe.com via newsmax.com | May 26, 2003 | Richard Poe

"'We like your president. We want to see him reelected', former Chinese intelligence chief General Ji Shengde told Chinagate bagman Johnny Chung. Indeed, Chinese intelligence organized a massive covert operation aimed at tilting the 1996 election Clinton’s way."

The Idiot's Guide to Chinagate
By Richard Poe
May 26, 2003

CHINA WILL LIKELY replace the USA as world leader, said Bill Clinton in a recent Washington Post interview. It is just a matter of time. Clinton should know. He has personally done more to build China’s military strength than any man on earth.

Most Americans have heard of the so-called "Chinagate " scandal. Few understand its deadly import, however. Web sites such as "Chinagate for Dummies" and its companion "More Chinagate for Dummies" offer some assistance. Unfortunately, with a combined total of nearly 8,000 words, these two sites – like so many others of the genre – offer more detail than most of us "dummies" can absorb.

For that reason, in the 600 words left in this column, I will try to craft my own "Idiot’s Guide to Chinagate," dedicated to all those busy folks like you and me whose attention span tends to peter out after about 750 words. Here goes.

When Bill Clinton took office in 1993, China presented little threat to the United States. Chinese missiles "couldn’t hit the side of a barn," notes Timothy W. Maier of Insight magazine. Few could reach North America and those that made it would likely miss their targets.

Thanks to Bill Clinton, China can now hit any city in the USA, using state-of-the-art, solid-fueled missiles with dead-accurate, computerized guidance systems and multiple warheads.

China probably has suitcase nukes as well. These enable China to strike by proxy – equipping nuclear-armed terrorists to do their dirty work, while the Chinese play innocent. Some intelligence sources claim that China maintains secret stockpiles of chemical, biological and nuclear weapons on U.S. soil, for just such contingencies.

In 1997, Clinton allowed China to take over the Panama Canal. The Chinese company Hutchison Whampoa leased the ports of Cristobal and Balboa, on the east and west openings of the canal respectively, thus controlling access both ways. A public outcry stopped Clinton in 1998 from leasing California’s Long Beach Naval Yard to the Chinese firm COSCO. Even so, China can now strike U.S. targets easily from their bases in Panama, Vancouver and the Bahamas.

How did China catch up so fast? Easy. We sold them all the technology they needed – or handed it over for free. Neither neglect nor carelessness are to blame. Bill Clinton did it on purpose.

As a globalist, Clinton promotes "multipolarity" – the doctrine that no country (such as the USA) should be allowed to gain decisive advantage over others.

To this end, Clinton appointed anti-nuclear activist Hazel O’Leary to head the Department of Energy. O’Leary set to work "leveling the playing field," as she put it, by giving away our nuclear secrets. She declassified 11 million pages of data on U.S. nuclear weapons and loosened up security at weapons labs.

Federal investigators [Cox Report] later concluded that China made off with the "crown jewels" of our nuclear weapons research under Clinton’s open-door policy – probably including design specifications for suitcase nukes. Meanwhile, Clinton and his corporate cronies raked in millions.

In his book The China Threat, Washington Times correspondent Bill Gertz describes how the system worked. Defense contractors eager to sell technology to China poured millions of dollars into Clinton’s campaign. In return, Clinton called off the dogs.

Janet Reno and other counterintelligence officials stood down while Lockheed Martin, Hughes Electronics, Loral Space & Communications and other U.S. companies helped China modernize its nuclear strike force.

"We like your president. We want to see him reelected," former Chinese intelligence chief General Ji Shengde told Chinagate bagman Johnny Chung. Indeed, Chinese intelligence organized a massive covert operation aimed at tilting the 1996 election Clinton’s way.

Clinton’s top campaign contributors for 1992 were Chinese agents; his top donors in 1996 were U.S. defense contractors selling missile technology to China.

Clinton recieved funding directly from known or suspected Chinese intelligence agents, among them James and Mochtar Riady who own the Indonesian Lippo Group; John Huang; Charlie Trie; Ted Sioeng; Maria Hsia; Wang Jun and others.

Commerce Secretary Ron Brown served as Clinton’s front man in many Chinagate deals. When investigators began probing Brown’s Lippo Group and Chinagate connections, Brown died suddenly in a suspicious April 1996 plane crash.

Needless to say, China does not share Clinton’s enthusiasm for globalism or multipolarity. The Chinese look out for Number One.

"War [with the United States] is inevitable; we cannot avoid it," said Chinese Defense Minister General Chi Haotian in 2000. "The issue is that the Chinese armed forces must control the initiative in this war." Bill Clinton has given them a good start.

The Idiot's Guide to Chinagate:
http://www.richardpoe.com/column.cgi?story=125

or,
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/5/26/214938.shtml
(this version hasn't the necessary hyperlinks, but the above doesn't seem to be available any longer)
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Related Stories
Richard Poe, "Chinagate: The Third-Way Scandal" (June 3, 1999)
Christopher Ruddy, "Russia and China Prepare for War: Parts I - VIII," NewsMax.com (March 9 -18, 1999)

20 posted on 01/17/2014 7:36:46 PM PST by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: hosepipe

Yes it is late, but it is never “too late”.

Bring back US manufacturing.

America needs to compete. Not send industry to China and elsewhere.

We need to made things right here.

How we do that is open to discussion, but we need to make things right here in America.

A lot of things.

Stop buying everything from China.


21 posted on 01/17/2014 7:37:18 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2013)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
America needs to compete

Remember at one of the latest Olympic Games when liberal Americans frowned on Americans cheering "USA, USA, USA"?

True, we need to compete but I don't think we have it in us to win such a battle. Not only are we infested with America-Hating liberals who control most of our government even when republicans are the majority party but we are now flooded with foreign nationals who put their own nation number one when cheering for the games or shopping for brands. Heck, for the foreign nationals, USA does not even come in second at the shopping center. They even cheer China's rise.

Unfortunately, foreign nationals who live in the USA (such as Mexicans...etc) do not see China as foe like we do. They just don't. You do, I do but we've become the minority and the majority leadership in DC likes it that way.

22 posted on 01/17/2014 7:50:48 PM PST by tsowellfan (www.cafenetamerica.com)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Just what party is it that you expect to bring America back to where we once proudly stood? The Republicans? Sure, Boehner is doing everything he can to get 15 million illegal Mexicans amnesty so they’ll vote as Democrats. Sorry but as much as I admire Cruz and Palin, I don’t think they can do it either.


23 posted on 01/17/2014 8:01:42 PM PST by B4Ranch (Name your illness, do a Google & YouTube search with "hydrogen peroxide". Do it and be surprised.)
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To: B4Ranch

Exactly yes.

That is PRECISELY who I want to stand up, and lead us forward.

You completely nailed it. 100%.

Palin and Cruz. Absolutely.

I don’t even know for a fact that either of the two of them, actually are for buying American.

But they are exactly who I hope stands up, sets a pace, and leads America to a renewed sense of purpose. And a new sense of buying American.

Thank you for that post.


24 posted on 01/17/2014 8:05:02 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2013)
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To: grumpygresh

China no better? It is much worse!


25 posted on 01/17/2014 8:16:57 PM PST by The_Media_never_lie (The media must be defeated any way it can be done.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

>>>Yes it is late, but it is never “too late”.

Bring back US manufacturing.

America needs to compete. Not send industry to China and elsewhere.<<<

I guess it is about 20 years too late.

Not only a retail business won’t ever comply in evicting Chinese goods, the vast majority of customerswon’t ever like an idea to pay 10 times more for non-Chinese toothvrush and things like that.
A plenty of cheap Chinese crap is that replaced American dream for them.


26 posted on 01/17/2014 8:27:34 PM PST by cunning_fish
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To: Greysard

An education does not dictate pay, the assumption that one needs a university degree or something similar to make real money is a dangerous thing to be telling our kids.


27 posted on 01/17/2014 8:35:56 PM PST by Bulwyf
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To: cunning_fish

See I’m not sure there is an unlimited amount of welcome to imports.

China does not allow foreigners to own Chinese land.

This is an increasing issue. China wants to sell us cheap goods and then buy American land. But Americans cannot purchase Chinese land.

Same with Chinese companies. Sure America can buy things which are made in China, but they have to buy them from a company which is majority-owned by Chinese.

Again. No such law, applies to America.

I say no. China is not the same as America, and the sooner we stop treating China like another America, the better off we will all be.

Bring back American jobs.

Stop selling out America.

Now.


28 posted on 01/17/2014 8:37:32 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2013)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

I remember when military leadership knew that you don’t prepare for what you think they intend to do, but instead prepared for what they were capable of doing.

Our top military leadership is of the very lowest quality in US history. (unless of course you want someone to serve on a corporate board, or a university faculty)


29 posted on 01/17/2014 9:36:43 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

bmrk


30 posted on 01/17/2014 10:06:01 PM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: tsowellfan
"I suppose we could boycott China but do we still have the buying power to make the difference?"

According to the Chinese I talk to on a regular basis, it would bring their growth to a grinding halt. 5% of their GDP is US exports, along with their largest source of foreign direct investment. And another couple percentage points are US-licensed products being sold in China and exported to other countries. It all adds up to somewhere between $1-$1.5 trillion a year. And it spends very nicely in the resource markets they've steadily been pushing us out of.

Of course they hold roughly $3 trillion is US paper between treasuries and dollars, so they could probably hit back pretty hard on that front. But the question is whether we want to passively sit back and let them slowly choke us out, or if we want to try to throw our weight around now while we still have a puncher's chance.

. It's hardly all self-inflicted damage. China spent huge amounts lobbying our crooked politicians. There were backroom deals made from 1970 on made by top level politicians on both sides with nothing like full disclosure to the US public. IMO they've reneged on their half of the "Free Trade" bargain that most of us have opposed vehemently from the get go.
31 posted on 01/17/2014 10:44:08 PM PST by CowboyJay (Cruz'-ing in 2016!)
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To: ETL

I’m opposed to everything this bastard in chief does.


32 posted on 01/17/2014 11:17:07 PM PST by pallmallman (Q)
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To: cunning_fish
"Not only a retail business won’t ever comply in evicting Chinese goods, the vast majority of customerswon’t ever like an idea to pay 10 times more for non-Chinese toothvrush and things like that"

All Chinese goods have to come in through US ports-of-entry which could be shut down by the US gov't tomorrow at dawn if they really wanted to. Few if any are expensive enough to bother smuggling in, and would probably cost more than US goods after the smugglers took their cut.

American made toothbrushes would not cost 10X more. We're being sold down the river for ridiculously small markups. Less than 10% per unit cost in some cases.
33 posted on 01/17/2014 11:28:48 PM PST by CowboyJay (Cruz'-ing in 2016!)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Throughout Chinas history they have always sought to be the strongest. They haven’t always been successful but they will keep trying.


34 posted on 01/18/2014 2:08:25 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: tsowellfan; All

Put tariffs on the Communist Chinese, and the nonsense stops

Free Traders are the biggest statists, supporters of Communism, and overall economic sabotage of America. I always prefer tariffs over treason


35 posted on 01/18/2014 5:32:24 AM PST by SeminoleCounty (Amnesty And Not Ending ObamaCare Will Kill GOP In 2014)
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To: CowboyJay

Good post...yes products would not cost much more if made in the US than Communist China. In fact, the reduction in transport costs would make up any difference in labor costs

Too many folks on here are apologists for Communist China, and like a weak America.

Tariffs are better than Treason


36 posted on 01/18/2014 5:37:23 AM PST by SeminoleCounty (Amnesty And Not Ending ObamaCare Will Kill GOP In 2014)
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To: CowboyJay
American made toothbrushes would not cost 10X more. We're being sold down the river for ridiculously small markups. Less than 10% per unit cost in some cases.

That is the favorite Free Traitor scare tactic, the $10.00 tooth brush. Only the economically ignorant would fall for that one. Labor costs in an semi automated factory(anywhere in the world including in the USA)making dental products is probably less than 5%.

37 posted on 01/18/2014 5:40:17 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: SeminoleCounty

Everyone thinks Dick Nixon’s biggest legacy was Watergate. Well it’s not, it’s China. We were winning the Cold War without allying with the ChiComs, what a stupid move that was.


38 posted on 01/18/2014 5:44:08 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: DesertRhino

The problem is, our leadership does not include American economic strength in its analysis of American strategic power.

Our economy is rapidly collapsing. We are 17 trillion dollars (and growing) in debt.

Our military budget is capped, and may even end up shrinking.

All the while, China is adding businesses, and getting ever stronger.

American needs American strength. American strength.

Bring back manufacturing to America.

Stop sending US manufacturing to 49% owned Chinese factories which simply transfer the technology to other Chinese companies.

America needs to grow, and bring back our own manufacturing.

Wake up people.


39 posted on 01/18/2014 6:17:02 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2013)
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To: SeminoleCounty

Part of what is going on, is that China is (much) tougher on our companies in trade, than America is on Chinese companies.

The issue is, that Chinese companies are run by the Chinese government. I know there are exceptions. but China is a huge communist country.

American companies are out there acting in their own independent interests, in a country run by a handful of communist dictators.

China has set up a hugely efficient government which is focused on taking over every manufacturing business, in the world.

Just one generation ago, America held global leadership.

Now China exports more than America.

We need to wake up. China is beating America.

Right now. We are rapidly losing.

Wake up.

Bring back American industry.


40 posted on 01/18/2014 6:22:10 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2013)
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To: driftdiver

My point exactly.

China represents a challenge to America unlike any country, even Russia.

America is losing our nation’s businesses.

We need businesses. Stop buying everything imported from China.


41 posted on 01/18/2014 7:11:39 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2013)
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To: The_Media_never_lie

In some ways China is better, in other ways not. We are rapidly descending into a dictatorship and tyranny. We essentially have a one party establishment. The surveillance is very advanced in the US; and while we don’t have concentration camps yet, we do have a very high rate of per capita imprisonment. Our median income, though still higher than China, is declining; China’s is increasing. The US is deindustrializing, China is industrializing. China had the one child policy; the US encourages abortions and as a nation, we will have to answer for 50+million dead babies.
The US is nothing like it was originally intended to be today. Our government is run by an evil cabal. I’m not saying that I would like to live in an unfamiliar and highly corrupt society. I would like to think we could restrain and reform our own.
When the Soviet Union fell, I think that most Russians were thankful that the US hastened the demise of their corrupt regime. Who knows what will happen in foreign affairs. But someday, the direct or indirect actions of a foreign power hostile to the corrupt US regime, may in fact deliver Americans from our corrupt and hostile regime. But OTOH, a war usually strengthens tyrants at home. And it seems to me that our corrupt regime wants a war against China as a way to consolidate tyranny at home. It’s the oldest trick in the history of nations.


42 posted on 01/18/2014 7:41:14 AM PST by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est. New US economy: Fascism on top, Socialism on the bottom.)
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To: what's up

I remember that too. That was one of the moments that stuck in my head that once again proved to me that the democrats do not have the best interest of our country in their minds.


43 posted on 01/18/2014 7:42:12 AM PST by Dutch Boy
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To: grumpygresh
As we descend more and more into degeneracy, the more we descend into tyranny. Our Constitutional form of Government will work only for a moral people.

As Jimmy Swaggert put it: Much Bible, much freedom. Little Bible, little freedom. No Bible, no freedom. All you have to do to see where we are heading is open your eyes and look around you. [This is used only as an illustration, In no way do I intend to infer that your eyes are not open.]

44 posted on 01/18/2014 7:48:45 AM PST by sport
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To: SeminoleCounty
Tariffs are better than Treason

But Treason is embedded in the very thought of the federal agent; he has been taught and trained to accept and support Treason as a matter of course.

This is why Fast & Furious, the literal arming of parties hostile to the states and providing them with legal protections, has been such a non-starter.

This is why Benghazi is no big deal.

This is why the leadership can sell you and your children into slavery, to the tune of $17 Trillion (with another $1.1 Trillion just added).


In short the spirit of Treason has been nurtured and embodied by the War on Drugs (WOD). You see, the WOD is justified on the idea that the congress can regulate intrastate commerce thorough the interstate commerce clause — To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes.

Now, as you can see the interstate commerce power is the exact same as foreign commerce; this means there is no difference between the attempt to regulate intrastate commerce as to regulate commerce occurring in a foreign nation. Indeed, if the federal government were to try to claim that power in a foreign nation, they would rightly consider it an act of war… and, obviously, the enforcement of that proclamation would entail the waging of that war (or the prior subjugation of that country).

So then, the enforcement of these usurped powers1. (regulating intrastate commerce) are a form of waging war upon the several states, which the Constitution plainly defines as Treason: Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.


1 — The authority to regulate another substance, alcohol, required a constitutional amendment which was since repealed. No such amendment has been effected with respect to the regulation of drugs.

45 posted on 01/18/2014 7:55:27 AM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

“America is losing our nation’s businesses.”

And who’s fault is that? The US owned government motors is moving production to China. The EPA is shutting down coal here, raising energy costs, while China develops cheap energy. The US is on QE infinity and running enormous deficits (bank bail-outs, 0-care, Medicare, Medicaid), and debasing its currency. The US is killing small business via taxes and regulation. China, despite corruption and bribes, still promotes private enterprise to greater extent than the US, which doesn’t take a lot nowadays. And when the US economy tanks, and the military budget is slashed, who are you going to blame, China?

China is not the greatest threat to our freedom; the evil US government is. In fact the government wants you to direct your attentions and efforts against China, not the US government. This is an old Alinsky trick, don’t fall for it.


46 posted on 01/18/2014 7:57:05 AM PST by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est. New US economy: Fascism on top, Socialism on the bottom.)
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To: grumpygresh

I disagree.

Both of our political parties have sold out America.

The Democrats want to build a big marxist monstrosity, and don’t care if America in the short term gets weaker, because they are winning control over our bureaucracy first.

The big problem is the Republicans.

Where are the Republicans?

No Republicans are supporting American workers.

Scr*w that. Americans need jobs.

Bring back American jobs. GOP stand up for America.

The people who should be helping America to become stronger, have sold out to China.

Bring back American businesses.


47 posted on 01/18/2014 8:02:10 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2013)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

As usual, I don’t understand you. The US government is a greater threat to our freedoms than China is. Agree or disagree.
I agree that both parties are corrupt and they are selling out to the globalists. Agree or disagree?


48 posted on 01/18/2014 8:15:47 AM PST by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est. New US economy: Fascism on top, Socialism on the bottom.)
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To: grumpygresh

I think China has a possibility of becoming, a threat to America’s long-term future.

I do NOT see our own government as a threat. Our own government is simply a mess. Currently it is run by Democrats so we don’t agree with many of it’s current policies, but I do NOT see our own government as a threat.

No I don’t.

However. I see no sign, that EITHER of our parties are ready to take a single step to protect the nation I love. Speaking as a process of building up America.

I’ve been to China, but I am increasingly of the opinion - we simply have given away everything, and at this point ... we need to start a deliberate effort to bring American businesses, back to America.

China is a massive, communist monolith which does not allow Americans to own property or even immigrate.

Meanwhile China’s population is HUGE. Five times larger than our own. A bunch more of them are men, than women, and they have the world’s largest military.

Now they simply all sell stuff which is made by communists, at factories with majority Chinese owners.

Who is looking out for America?

I agree that the Democrats and the Republicans are a problem, but China in my opinion, has far greater potential to become a real threat to all Americans.

I am not saying they are. But I am saying as clearly as I know how to, that they are heading that direction - and I see NOBODY who is lifting a single finger to oppose their eventual supremacy.

Bring back American jobs.

We have sold out America now for an entire generation.

China is now the world’s largest exporter, and they are a massive communist regime, where we can’t even own anything.

Why is our side, ordinarily the patriotic pro-American side, seemingly so utterly asleep about China?


49 posted on 01/18/2014 9:19:12 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2013)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

“I do NOT see our own government as a threat”

And we have a winner. Best FR comment of the year!


50 posted on 01/18/2014 10:19:52 AM PST by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est. New US economy: Fascism on top, Socialism on the bottom.)
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