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China starts televising the sunrise on giant TV screens because Beijing is so clouded in smog
Dailymail ^

Posted on 01/18/2014 8:40:17 AM PST by chessplayer

The smog has become so thick in Beijing that the city's natural light-starved masses have begun flocking to huge digital commercial television screens across the city to observe virtual sunrises.

The futuristic screens installed in the Chinese capital usually advertize tourist destinations, but as the season's first wave of extremely dangerous smog hit - residents donned air masks and left their homes to watch the only place where the sun would hail over the horizon that morning.

Commuters across Beijing found themselves cloaked in a thick, gray haze on Thursday as air pollution monitors issued a severe air warning and ordered the elderly and school children to stay indoors until the quality improved.

The air took on an acrid odor, and many of the city's commuters wore industrial strength face masks as they hurried to work.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


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KEYWORDS: beijing; china; chinasmog; sunrise
Progress! The future is now. This is right out of a dystopian novel or movie about the future.
1 posted on 01/18/2014 8:40:17 AM PST by chessplayer
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To: chessplayer
ROFL.

Now that "Yule Log" on television doesn't look so cheesy after all.

2 posted on 01/18/2014 8:40:53 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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To: chessplayer

People used to understand that the Chinese were inscrutable.


3 posted on 01/18/2014 8:42:08 AM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: chessplayer

” ‘I couldn’t see the tall buildings across the street this morning,’ said a traffic coordinator at a busy Beijing intersection who gave only his surname, Zhang. ‘The smog has gotten worse in the last two to three years. I often cough, and my nose is always irritated. But what can you do? I drink more water to help my body discharge the toxins.’ “


And the water they drink is toxic.


4 posted on 01/18/2014 8:42:52 AM PST by chessplayer
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To: DesertRhino

“The density of PM2.5 was about 350 to 500 micrograms Thursday midmorning, though the air started to clear in the afternoon. It had reached as high as 671 at 4 a.m. at a monitoring post at the U.S. Embassy in Beijing.

That is about 26 times as high as the 25 micrograms considered safe by the World Health Organization,”


5 posted on 01/18/2014 8:45:13 AM PST by chessplayer
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To: chessplayer

And all that crap drifts over to here in North America because of the atmospheric currents.


6 posted on 01/18/2014 8:45:26 AM PST by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: chessplayer

But the left, who are green crazy, are indebt to China up to their eyeballs, right?


7 posted on 01/18/2014 8:46:00 AM PST by Beowulf9
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To: chessplayer

There ability to steal manufacturing and R&D - while gaining momentum in the economic and funding sectors - will poison their nation to no end...they are sacrificing everything to gain an immediate satisfaction - it would be nice to see this slap in the face on the Communists that are allowing this - as one more example of failure from trying to gain top status by sacrificing their people!


8 posted on 01/18/2014 8:46:29 AM PST by BCW (Salva reipublicae)
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To: chessplayer
United Nations climate chief Christiana Figueres said that democracy is a poor political system for fighting global warming. Communist China, she says, is the best model.

China may be the world’s top emitter of carbon dioxide and struggling with major pollution problems of their own, but the country is “doing it right” when it comes to fighting global warming says Figueres.

I guess televising sunrise is doing it right.

9 posted on 01/18/2014 8:49:54 AM PST by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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To: chessplayer

I spotted three or four SUVs in that traffic jam. That’s probably the problem right there.


10 posted on 01/18/2014 8:51:20 AM PST by PistolPaknMama
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To: chessplayer
Why does this remind me of Soylent Green?

5.56mm

11 posted on 01/18/2014 8:52:25 AM PST by M Kehoe
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To: Beowulf9
This earth raping conservative would go insane living like that.




12 posted on 01/18/2014 8:59:51 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek
You DO take some nice shots, Crip.

THIS sort'a reminds me of that gag photo of the raghead beauty queen competition ... all those burha's lined up ...


13 posted on 01/18/2014 9:04:12 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: chessplayer

I’m sure Al Gore is out in front of this issue with the communist regime there to stop global warming right?...I bet he is in their face all day long telling them they are ruining the world and making it warm right?....I bet he has a plan to sell carbon credits to all those factories over there right?....


14 posted on 01/18/2014 9:08:35 AM PST by oust the louse (The Democratic Party might as well be called the Death Party. Abortion & ObamaCare/death panels.)
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To: oust the louse

Maurice Strong is considered to be the father of Agenda21 and he lives in China.

His plan for North America included things like licensed births and forced abortion to cut the north American population to 1/3 of what it is now and then we could all live in a handful of massive sustainable cities.


15 posted on 01/18/2014 9:12:25 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: chessplayer

Let’s deregulate so that we can compete with the Chinese on their level. /s


16 posted on 01/18/2014 9:14:16 AM PST by DannyTN (A>)
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To: oust the louse

it’s getting colder not warmer

go outside

global warming is a hoax


17 posted on 01/18/2014 9:15:20 AM PST by Democrat_media (Obama ordered IRS to rig 2012 election and must resign)
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To: chessplayer

The enviro movement is enamored of China and the former soviet union for some reason, always portraying them both as “far more environmentally conscious than the U.S. is.”
What a laugh.


18 posted on 01/18/2014 9:16:27 AM PST by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: DannyTN

funny how the USA and we survived for 200 years without your EPA that was created in the 1960’s


19 posted on 01/18/2014 9:16:33 AM PST by Democrat_media (Obama ordered IRS to rig 2012 election and must resign)
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To: DannyTN

funny how the USA and we survived for 200 years without your EPA that was created in the 1960’s

and the USA was actually growing for 200 years without almost no government and no EPA .

maybe you should award Obama and the EPA director shiela jackson lee for keep your world safe/sarcasm . as if these communist dolts have anything to do with it


20 posted on 01/18/2014 9:18:25 AM PST by Democrat_media (Obama ordered IRS to rig 2012 election and must resign)
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To: Democrat_media

Before the EPA got strong, I remember that there wasn’t a public lake fit to swim in.

I remember having to work in a building where the smoke formed a cloud inside the building.

When I came to Nashville in the 80’s, there was a brown haze that would form around the city. I haven’t seen that in a few years.

All environmental regulations are not bad. The EPA needs to be reigned in some, so that they are following due process and have court oversight.

Hey, but if you want to be free from environmental regulations, go live in China. You probably can buy masks there really cheap.


21 posted on 01/18/2014 9:22:20 AM PST by DannyTN (A>)
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To: DannyTN

go join green peace with all your lies

fact is living standards, health standards, in the USA grew tremendously for all the 200 years without almost no government , no EPA ,no environmental regulations

before the industrial revolution life expectancy was 30 then rose to 70 in the 1960’s with almost no government , no EPa

if your pollution was so bad why did they have to invent the global warming hoax to blame on factories


22 posted on 01/18/2014 9:26:01 AM PST by Democrat_media (Obama ordered IRS to rig 2012 election and must resign)
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To: DannyTN
We were well on our way to becoming what China is now.
23 posted on 01/18/2014 9:27:27 AM PST by DannyTN (A>)
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To: DannyTN
We were well on our way to becoming what China is now.

Superfund sites

24 posted on 01/18/2014 9:27:47 AM PST by DannyTN (A>)
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To: DannyTN

Superfund sites are a joke. Nothing but a slush fund for politicians to milk.


25 posted on 01/18/2014 9:40:47 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek

You don’t think the sites are contaminated?


26 posted on 01/18/2014 9:44:18 AM PST by DannyTN (A>)
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To: DannyTN

I never said that but I worked for an environmental reclamation company and seen how the game works. A half billion dollars is allocated for a site and a million is spent.

We once “cleaned up” a mercury contaminated site by grading the land, spraying a de-binding agent on the ground, planted grass seed, and put up a fence. It cost less than a million dollars of the $6 million allocated. The rest went to various environmental activism groups, local politicians, to the company that actually contaminated the land, and environmental training programs to create clowns like you who cry over the sight of an oil spot on the driveway.


27 posted on 01/18/2014 10:13:05 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Democrat_media

Danny is correct. Pollution was quite bad here for a while. But we were able to correct the problem. And correcting the problem is NOT about enslaving the population as the EPA is being used to do today. The EPA should have declared victory and went away quietly but no the marxists took over the EPA and intend to use it to destroy America. I believe the EPA is an unconstitutional agency that should be abolished then congress should do its d@mn job. The problem is there are people, who create wealth and make good products, but are not responsible enough to clean up after themselves. This is why the EPA came about.


28 posted on 01/18/2014 10:31:00 AM PST by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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To: Nuc 1.1

I don’t doubt that environmental protection has become a scam now. It is beyond over the top.


29 posted on 01/18/2014 10:33:23 AM PST by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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To: chessplayer

When I was laid up with an injury a few years back I used to love watching the “Sunrise Earth” series - I think it was Animal Planet or something was showing them every morning right around dawn.


30 posted on 01/18/2014 10:38:21 AM PST by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: chessplayer

China. It’s the country of the future, and it always will be.


31 posted on 01/18/2014 10:40:28 AM PST by Ted Grant
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To: Nuc 1.1

Environmental regulation should be almost exclusively the domain of the states themselves. Even then they can’t really be trusted to rip off the taxpayers.

After the Embridge pipeline spill here in Michigan there was lots of screeching about Embridge not inspecting their pipeline. There wasn’t much mention of the fact that the state had been paying for a non existent pipeline inspector for the past decade.

Granted the company should have been inspecting their own pipeline but there was no urgency because they knew the state wasn’t doing it either.


32 posted on 01/18/2014 10:45:46 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek
The rest went to various environmental activism groups, local politicians, to the company that actually contaminated the land, and environmental training programs to create clowns like you who cry over the sight of an oil spot on the driveway.

Then we need to tighten the law or prosecute the malfeasance.

If you stop every government program because of malfeasance we'd soon be Somalia with no government at all. Our problem is that we don't prosecute malfeasance.

33 posted on 01/18/2014 10:55:53 AM PST by DannyTN (A>)
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To: Democrat_media
They didn't invent global warming. That B.S. has been around for a long time. All they've done is hype it to a new level.

150 years of Global Warming and Cooling at the New York Times

Just because there are some con artists and scientists who lack integrity, doesn't mean there wasn't a real pollution problem prior to the EPA. Just because Global Warming is a hoax, doesn't mean some types of pollution are not real.

And just because Obama is using the EPA in ways not anticipated by the law to further his socialist goals, does not mean there isn't a need for an EPA type agency. He's also using the IRS, the Park service, NASA, education and probably every agency there is, to further his agenda. So yes, government bureaucracy is a dangerous thing in the hands of an unscrupulous politician. Always has been, always will be. We need checks and balances. But we don't need to throw the baby out with the wash.

34 posted on 01/18/2014 12:52:31 PM PST by DannyTN (A>)
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To: M Kehoe

Indeed. I was looking for a frame of Edward G. Robinson in that bed looking at the big screen of sunrises and sunsets.


35 posted on 01/18/2014 1:03:34 PM PST by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: cripplecreek

I don’t disagree. The states were not doing the job and really could not be trusted. Further standards varied from state to state, if there were any standards at all. Couple this with a near complete lack of appreciation for the dangerous nature of many aspects of an electro mechanical industrial society and the stage was set for serious pollution problems. With much research and effort we fixed our problems. And I understand the method was unconstitutional. China has NO excuse. The leadership appears ready and willing to poison their population for a buck. Or whatever they call it. The fix is a bit costly but necessary correction to their industrial base to protect their country. Hope they do it before it is too late for their people.


36 posted on 01/18/2014 5:45:43 PM PST by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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To: Nuc 1.1

I think we can do better with lots of low cost methods. I think a lot of sample collection and monitoring could be done by volunteers.

I know I love being outside enough that I’d be happy to get out and collect water samples downstream from a factory or whatever.


37 posted on 01/18/2014 5:52:36 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: chessplayer

At one time, some of the industrialized northern US cities had gas streetlights that burned during the day so that you could see through the pollution.


38 posted on 01/18/2014 5:56:32 PM PST by Clay Moore ("To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize." ~Voltaire)
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To: cripplecreek

That is not a bad idea. Volunteers, hmmm. In addition to young folk old retired coots could pitch in too. Wonder if the replacement administration could set it up as they defang the EPA.


39 posted on 01/18/2014 8:16:00 PM PST by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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To: Nuc 1.1

and that UN Climate Chief says we should all be more like them


40 posted on 01/18/2014 8:17:29 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: Nuc 1.1

You would want to make sure you had a balance of pro business people to offset the anti progress progressives.


41 posted on 01/18/2014 8:17:30 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Nuc 1.1

go join green peace with all your lies

fact is living standards, health standards, in the USA grew tremendously for all the 200 years without almost no government , no EPA ,no environmental regulations

before the industrial revolution life expectancy was 30 then rose to 70 in the 1960’s with almost no government , no EPa

if your pollution was so bad why did they have to invent the global warming hoax to blame on factories


42 posted on 01/18/2014 8:29:07 PM PST by Democrat_media (Obama ordered IRS to rig 2012 election and must resign)
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To: DannyTN
government is the problem not the solution to any problem . but there are no real problems just fake crisis like global warming , global cooling etc. . if “pollution” were such a real crisis they why did they have to create ice age scare, global warming etc.?
I was here in the Gulf for the BP oil “catastrophe” . the news media said that would cause decades of environmental damage etc. : all lies. and almost all freepers fell for that and all the other bp lies.where is your bp oil catastrophe now?

you believe government is the solution . however government is the problem . you are a statist/democrat/socialist . people like you are the only REAL problem we have because you enable the growth of government.

go join green peace with all your lies

fact is living standards, health standards, in the USA grew tremendously for all the 200 years without almost no government , no EPA ,no environmental regulations

before the industrial revolution life expectancy was 30 then rose to 70 in the 1960’s with almost no government , no EPa

if your pollution was so bad why did they have to invent the global warming hoax to blame on factories

43 posted on 01/18/2014 8:40:43 PM PST by Democrat_media (Obama ordered IRS to rig 2012 election and must resign)
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To: Democrat_media
"government is the problem not the solution to any problem "

Then why did our founding fathers set up a government? Huh smart guy? Why?

Your statement is the kind of absolutist dogmatic bullshit that keeps the GOP from recognizing the real issues and being an effective party.

There needs to be balance in all things. The founding fathers set up a government because there are legitimate roles for government. Until you recognize the legitimate role of government, your just spouting rhetoric without understanding.

44 posted on 01/18/2014 9:15:36 PM PST by DannyTN (A>)
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To: DannyTN
/p>

why don't you answer my question I posed first

the USA prospered , grew (faster than any country ever in history ) for almost 150 years with practically no government.

so how did living standards, health standards, wealth , prosperity , civilization prosper to such as extent as never before without your government.

you need to learn history. most of the government that is in place now was created in the last 50 years.

what you people enabled is that this year in 2014 now there were 40,000 NEW laws passed. how did we survive without THOSE. EPA shutting down coal plants cause of the global warming hoax. NASA doing global warming propagandizing( I thought there mission was to go get rocks on mars or something).gov schools are a joke. public housing ,EBT a million other failed government programs,OFFCCp , EEOC , racial quotas for hiring , a million injustices of government etc.

there is no global warming, there is no 1970’s ice age scare, there is no BP oil catastrophe( i live close to the Gulf), no uninsured health crisis, and a million other fake hobglobins created by the media to justify the existence and growth of government

what is a real problem that you must enable 40,000 new laws to solve name it? you people created the environment so that these jackals can write 40,000 new laws in 2014. how long do you think this country can take that growth in gov?
if people had MY Thinking which is what is NEEDED to keep this real problem the growth of government in check then civilization and freedom would be saved.yet you attack me as if I am the problem. no it is you and your ilk. you think that we can survive this growth in government (40,000 new laws per year?) http://thelead.blogs.cnn.com/2013/12/31/40000-new-laws-take-effect-in-2014/ government is the problem and a cancer. and you have to take my position to kill this cancer.it is your attitude and people like you that have enabled this monster to grow like it is . you trust the jack boot of government . and give them 40,000 new laws for them to crack down on us. but you think that is not a problem , nor the trillions they steal etc. but some bs the media puts out there as an hobgoblin to scare the public into accepting more gov is a problem to you. but you don't see who is creating these : the liberal news media and gov funded morons

45 posted on 01/18/2014 10:01:26 PM PST by Democrat_media (Obama ordered IRS to rig 2012 election and must resign)
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To: DannyTN
the USA actually grew and was able to pay its bills for 150 years with almost no government and without the technology and productivity today. now government and debt are growing at an exponential rate, with much more advanced tech.

now you people who trust gov enable them to pass 40,000 new laws per year.

46 posted on 01/18/2014 10:07:34 PM PST by Democrat_media (Obama ordered IRS to rig 2012 election and must resign)
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To: Democrat_media
We had high import tariffs until the 1960's so that countries like China couldn't run our companies out of business. We lowered them and that's why we have high unemployment and the stores are full of Chinese goods.

The world has gotten a lot more complicated. I'm not saying all the laws are necessary, but certainly the rise in technology has accounted for many of the laws.

Seriously, your being disingenuous if you think we can run the country with the same regulations we had the first 150 years.

I'm not saying there isn't room to cut regs, and to simplify them. But it's not going to make a difference in competition with foreign countries like China. You could eliminate every reg and every tax and the wage differential with China is still so high, that they would continue to destroy our industries if we don't wise up and restore the trade import tariffs.

Not only would it not make us competitive, but frankly, we don't want to deregulate entirely and China's pollution problem is a classic example of why not. On the other hand, we don't want to let China destroy our industries or dictate our wages either. Hence we need to raise import tariffs.

47 posted on 01/18/2014 11:05:20 PM PST by DannyTN (A>)
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To: Democrat_media

Fact is I am not lying. Didn’t say a word about living standards which did improve due to manufacturing improvement and medical breakthroughs. Not pollution control. Since the EPA didn’t exist I certainly couldn’t argue that it saved the day. So that takes care of your first three nonsensical lines. It seems to me a larger population using those advances and concentrating large portions of the population in urban areas led to significant pollution in those areas. This was addressed input stream control and the problem was solved. As to your last paragraph, the folks on this forum know what a global warming proponent I am. You posts on this thread are bombastic and mean sprited. Improve them.


48 posted on 01/19/2014 8:36:46 AM PST by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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To: DannyTN
you trust government . government is unaccountable to anyone

government is unaccountable.the gov agencies like NASA, IRS, EPA are unaccountable

a private business is accountable to customers, must provide a quality product to stay in business and must build a good name . that requires extremely hard work, long hours and talent and no harm to anyone.

you trust the unaccountable to govern and correct the accountable which is ridiculous
the fact is most of your big government including the stupid EPA was created only within the last 50 years. industry, America etc. prospered before that EPA and government.

After 50 years of “research” your god the EPA concludes that CO2 is the main threat to the planet and so they must shut down coal power plants.that's ridiculous. CO2 is not even a pollutant as the EPA asserts. CO2 is not causing global warming . there isn't even any global warming but your EPA believes there is and that is their main mission to fight global warming , a hoax that doesn't exist. and yet your trust the evil ,idiotic, corrupt EPA to save your world and keep your world safe? ridiculous.

here is proof your EPA is shutting down coal to fight “global warming”. that's typical of government fighting something that doesn't exist. I'm one little guy but I know more than the stupid EPA , that global warming is a hoax.and you know it is a hoax as you admitted on that thread. your EPA is keeping you safe from the imaginary global warming hobgoblin and at the same time crippling the USA economy. at best it is a huge waste of money 9 billion $ per year budget of the EPA , 50 years and this is what they come up with, fighting co2 emissions . and THIS is what you trust.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/09/19/epa-limits-emissions-coal-power-plants-carbon-capture-technology/2838391/
The EPA announced Friday morning its proposal to cap the amount of heat-trapping greenhouse gas emissions from new power plants. Coal-fired plants — unlike most natural gas facilities —

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/09/19/epa-limits-emissions-coal-power-plants-carbon-capture-technology/2838391/

what has hansen at NaSA produced? global warming propaganda that's what. you want to buy one of his reports is that a quality product? why is NASA doing global warming research and Muslim out reach. i thought their mission was space exploration or something:

http://inhabitat.com/nasas-james-hansen-data-proves-global-warming-is-causing-crazy-weather/

who is lois lerner accountable to . this IRS gov worker oppressed conservatives and what has happened to it.

also there is a creep at NASA, Hansen a global warming hoax pusher. what is NASA doing paying this moron 100,000 salary , giving it grants etc. for it to study global warming. that is the mission of NASA.that's why they are taxing us at 60% of our income. I work 7 months of the year to pay the salary and healthcare etc of morons like these who haven't worked a day in their life in a real job.
who knows what the mission of NASA or any agency is? who has time for that to read all the room full of laws and legaleze to understand what they are supposed to be doing. and i know these 2 idiots and also the EPA director Jackson lee also is corrupt. what can i do about it ? nothing. what can the American people do about them? nothing.the American people haven't even read the constitution much less the room full of laws these gov morons are supposed to be implementing
that's total unaccountability.

you have no idea what it is to start a private business. you think I start a business and what is my mission? yes to make money but for that i need to provide a quality product to customers . I need to build a name and good reputation for my business. you think that's easY? i need to work 80 hours per week , making sure there is a quality product for sale. I don't make my mission to hurt people (so I can get sued) by “polluting” etc.
you think a business is evil and will pollute etc. ridiculous. you have to build a name , a reputation and the only way is to build a quality product that has value to people and to also build a good reputation. you don't do that by poisoning people , or providing shoddy service nor a bad product. government has to produce nothing as i pointed out by these 3 stooges

49 posted on 01/30/2014 9:21:14 PM PST by Democrat_media (Obama ordered IRS to rig 2012 election and must resign)
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To: Democrat_media
"you trust government . government is unaccountable to anyone"

I don't trust government. But government is a necessary evil that even our founding fathers recognized and instituted. Government needs checks and balances. Right now one of those checks is that our elected representatives need to correct course, raise the import tariffs, and lower the income taxes.

After 50 years of “research” your god the EPA concludes that CO2 is the main threat to the planet and so they must shut down coal power plants.that's ridiculous. CO2 is not even a pollutant as the EPA asserts.

My god is God. And I'd appreciate it if you learned to argue logic instead of personal attacks.

I agree the EPA has overstepped it's bounds. But the nation elected an idiot who said he'd do something about global warming. Again you need checks and balances. The EPA has insufficient judicial oversight because of the way Congress set it up with administrative courts. That needs to be fixed. But there are many things the EPA did that were good, and we don't need to rid the country of all environmental laws and end up polluted like China. We need to reign in the EPA and this President who is not abiding by the laws and return them to their original purpose.

why is NASA doing global warming research and Muslim out reach. i thought their mission was space exploration or something:

Again we elected an idiot who has distorted their purpose, and we don't have a congress at present who will stand up to him. We can fix this in the next election.

you have no idea what it is to start a private business.

Again with the personal attacks. I have started my own business. And ran it for 3 years and grew it to over a $1 million dollars in annual revenue. And I was shut down by a government bureaucrat. Plus I've been in corporate management where I oversaw the development of many new business lines and product ideas.

"you think a business is evil and will pollute etc. ridicudlous."

Again with the personal attacks. I don't think business is evil at all. I think a small portion of business owners are evil and will pollute. And we've seen that in our country. And the EPA has helped put preventative measures in place.

Why is China so polluted? It's not because all business managers in China have long term vision and always do what's best for the country.

50 posted on 01/31/2014 6:35:51 AM PST by DannyTN (A>)
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