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Another 'stand your ground' case? MetroWest shooting suspect claims he was attacked
Orlando Sentinel ^ | 1-17-14 | Jeff Weiner and Arelis R. Hernández

Posted on 01/18/2014 1:26:53 PM PST by smokingfrog

The gunman accused of chasing and killing a 21-year-old man at a west Orlando apartment complex on Thursday told police he was pursuing a suspected burglar and acted in self-defense after he was attacked.

A police account of the shooter's self-defense claim obtained by the Orlando Sentinel suggests this could be the latest local homicide in which the state's controversial "stand your ground" law becomes a factor.

Police were called to the shooting just before noon Thursday at the Fountains at MetroWest apartments. They arrived to find 21-year-old Ricardo Sanes dead in the grass, surrounded by six .45-caliber shell casings.

The alleged shooter, 32-year-old Claudius Smith, was caught later Thursday. Smith told detectives that he had shot someone "in self defense," according to a police report.

Smith said he was inside his house on Carter Street when his girlfriend, looking at a outdoor surveillance monitor, spotted someone in dark clothing "walking around his yard," who "was last seen climbing over the fence into" the apartment complex.

Smith told police he had been having "a recent problem with burglaries at his house ... and he was certain the unknown male was responsible," a police account states, so he "began chasing the unknown male."

According to police, Smith admitted jumping the fence into the apartment complex, armed with a .45-caliber handgun, where he said he saw Sanes "looking into windows of apartments as he walked past them."

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He clearly chase the man because he was profiling...
1 posted on 01/18/2014 1:26:53 PM PST by smokingfrog
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To: smokingfrog

Although this time, it looks like a black shooting a Hispanic.


2 posted on 01/18/2014 1:29:42 PM PST by BlessedBeGod (Democrats are Cruz'n for a Bruisin' in 2016. / Obama=Unspeakable Audacity)
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To: smokingfrog
...Ricardo Sanes dead in the grass, surrounded by six .45-caliber shell casings.

Each one of those will need to be accounted for in the SYG defense. I don't recall the last time i heard of a case with that may rounds spent. Not make a judgement either way but it's food to ponder in the context.

INBN

3 posted on 01/18/2014 1:30:01 PM PST by IllumiNaughtyByNature ($1.84 - The price of a gallon of gas on Jan. 20th, 2009.)
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Claudius Smith, 32, (left) was charged with second degree murder in the shooting death of 21-year-old Ricardo Sanes in MetroWest on Jan. 16, police said. (Orange County Jail, Orlando Police)

4 posted on 01/18/2014 1:30:49 PM PST by Theoria (End Socialism : No more GOP and Dem candidates)
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To: Theoria
If Obama had a Hispanic son?
5 posted on 01/18/2014 1:31:31 PM PST by Theoria (End Socialism : No more GOP and Dem candidates)
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To: smokingfrog
A preliminary examination of Sanes' body revealed gunshots to his upper back and the back of his neck. Authorities found a .40-caliber handgun "concealed in the crotch area of [Sanes'] pants," an affidavit states.

When police told Smith that Sanes appeared to only have wounds to his back, Smith reportedly claimed those must have been exit wounds. He admitted he didn't know Sanes had a gun before police told him

If this is true, this incident does not even remotely meet the SYG law

Also, I might add the "Paper" seems to be implying it's a SYG case where as there is nothing in the article that says the authorities say it was...

6 posted on 01/18/2014 1:33:48 PM PST by Popman ("Resistance to Tyrants is Obedience to God" - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: smokingfrog

The Sentinel’s headline is furthering the myth that SYG was a factor in Martin/Zimmerman.


7 posted on 01/18/2014 1:34:40 PM PST by Ray76
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To: smokingfrog

Murder 1, book ‘ em Dano.


8 posted on 01/18/2014 1:35:43 PM PST by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: smokingfrog

I live in Orl and read this today and laughed that the cop brought up all 6 shots were in the back and the guy said those were exit wounds! LOL


9 posted on 01/18/2014 1:35:50 PM PST by spacejunkie2001
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To: smokingfrog
Zimmerman was classified a "white Hispanic." Will Sanes become known as a "black Hispanic?"

I don't look for it to happen but it would only be fair.

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10 posted on 01/18/2014 1:40:09 PM PST by JCG
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To: smokingfrog

Chasing plus shooting in the back plus no evidence that the dead guy assaulted or threatened the shooter SEVERELY hampers any “self defense” argument


11 posted on 01/18/2014 1:42:23 PM PST by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: smokingfrog

Up to witnesses.
No good witnesses? Up to forensics (i.e. is the bullet entry in the back?).
No definite answers from forensics? Not Guilty.


12 posted on 01/18/2014 1:49:27 PM PST by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: smokingfrog

And since bullet entries are in the back, it is pretty much a cut and dried murder or manslaughter.


13 posted on 01/18/2014 1:51:19 PM PST by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: smokingfrog

I wonder if maybe I should get one of those backyard
surveilence systems, the neighbors cats are starting
to bug me, I could bring out the laser pointer and
make them run in circles till they drop dead.


14 posted on 01/18/2014 1:54:39 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Ray76

Yup, the Zimmerman shot in self defense.


15 posted on 01/18/2014 1:56:54 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: PapaBear3625

Wellll now..where are Al and Jesse defending this poor young black man who just tried to save his girlfriend????


16 posted on 01/18/2014 2:00:46 PM PST by Recovering Ex-hippie
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To: smokingfrog

This one is going to be tricky. Given the facts presented so far it is going to be a difficult case to try.

Importantly, the defendant or his girlfriend made a very bad mistake by trying to hide the gun or surveillance video.

The prior record of the decedent will certainly matter, but may not be admissible.


17 posted on 01/18/2014 2:06:09 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (There Is Still A Very Hot War On Terror, Just Not On The MSM. Rantburg.com)
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To: smokingfrog

Sounds more like a “two Trayvons meet” story than a “stand your ground” story.


18 posted on 01/18/2014 2:14:17 PM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: smokingfrog
...surrounded by six .45-caliber shell casings...

So.... He caught the guy and then shot him, like say, point blank, while the dead guy's gun stayed in his belt?

How else would the casings be around the dead guy?

19 posted on 01/18/2014 2:18:27 PM PST by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: smokingfrog

Oh Good...

I bet Jesse Jackson is excited to hold “Justice for Ricardo” rallies!


20 posted on 01/18/2014 2:37:26 PM PST by Mr. K (If you like your constitution, you can keep it...Period.)
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To: jeffc

It does sound a bit suspicious ...


21 posted on 01/18/2014 2:58:44 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: tet68

I bet that would work!


22 posted on 01/18/2014 3:00:09 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: smokingfrog

“Smith said he grabbed Sanes’ hooded sweatshirt and tried to force Sanes back to his house ‘so the police could be called.’”

Sorry not SYG, Smith initiated the use of force when there was no threat to him.


23 posted on 01/18/2014 3:18:13 PM PST by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: jeffc

WOW THIS IS PUZZLING THIS IS A CASE FOR ALPHONSO COLUMBO AT THE VERY LEAST WE MAY EVEN HAVE TO MAKE A CALL TO JAMES ‘SONNY’ CROCKETT IF THAT DONT WORK I SAY WE RING UP...HARRY CALLAHAN AND OR JACK WEBB....PERHAPS THEO KOJAC’D TAKE THE CASE...OR MAYBE THAT Stella Bonasera SHE’S HOT...BUT NOT THAT OLD LANSBURY GAL..SHE’S NO FUN...

ANY OTHER FAVORITES FREEPERS?


24 posted on 01/18/2014 3:28:20 PM PST by jimsin
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To: smokingfrog

This one is a toss-up at this point.

Are there any pictures of them when they were 12 to help tip the scales???


25 posted on 01/18/2014 4:35:23 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: smokingfrog

I’m all for SYG and a huge supporter of self defense. I’ll wait for the facts of the case to find out. But if there are wounds in the back that does not lend itself to SYG.


26 posted on 01/18/2014 5:44:05 PM PST by Organic Panic
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To: smokingfrog; All

MetroWest is an area of nice residences, but near some of the worst ghettoes in Orlando area. Crime is always a problem.

So, I could buy a SYG defense from a MetroWest resident...there have been some nasty assaults and killings in that area over the years


27 posted on 01/18/2014 7:46:19 PM PST by SeminoleCounty (Amnesty And Not Ending ObamaCare Will Kill GOP In 2014)
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To: jimsin

What about EMMA PEEL? ;)


28 posted on 01/18/2014 10:06:15 PM PST by Frank_2001
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To: Frank_2001

Yes Emma Emma Emma long tall & cool EMMA....already


29 posted on 01/19/2014 3:36:14 AM PST by jimsin
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To: SeminoleCounty

Yes s/c people in Metro west are always getting accosted by nearby thugs at bus stops et al and then hauled to ATMs where they are so so then robbed and worse....


30 posted on 01/19/2014 3:36:15 AM PST by jimsin
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To: jimsin

I’d pull in Adrian Monk.


31 posted on 01/19/2014 3:54:18 AM PST by gitmo (If your theology doesn't become your biography, what good is it?)
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To: jimsin
Every ATM card should have two PINs. One is the normal PIN, the other a Mayday PIN that dispenses money but sends a call to the police that the user at this ATM has been kidnapped.


32 posted on 01/19/2014 4:02:59 AM PST by gitmo (If your theology doesn't become your biography, what good is it?)
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