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Coeur d'Alene cops release shooting video
timesunion.com ^ | 1/16/2014

Posted on 01/18/2014 3:28:20 PM PST by Karl Spooner

COEUR D'ALENE, Idaho (AP) — Police have released the body-camera video from Officer Spencer Mortensen's shooting of Eric B. Johnston last Aug. 25.

The video shows viewers what Mortensen saw and heard before fatally shooting Johnston, 35, five times in rapid succession. It shows Mortensen asked Johnston about eight times to put down a knife or knives before Mortensen shot him.

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1 posted on 01/18/2014 3:28:20 PM PST by Karl Spooner
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To: Karl Spooner
I agree lady ... motherphuquer !

Don't cops learn that if they slowly back out, the guy would follow him and you could tackle him ?

2 posted on 01/18/2014 3:39:01 PM PST by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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3 posted on 01/18/2014 3:41:14 PM PST by narses (... unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you.)
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To: Karl Spooner

Eric Johnston acted like he wanted to end his life through a police gun. Either that or he was deaf and dumb. He did not make any action that would indicate he was capable of responding to anyone. The woman could have given some clue as to what was his problem. Drugs like Bath Salts?


4 posted on 01/18/2014 3:46:57 PM PST by jonrick46 (The opium of Communists: other people's money.)
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To: Karl Spooner

We need a force of tough men with good training, and armed with several options of weapons and tools, that can diffuse situations and save lives.

We can hire just anyone, to merely gun people.


5 posted on 01/18/2014 3:48:45 PM PST by ansel12 (Ben Bradlee -- JFK told me that "he was all for people's solving their problems by abortion".)
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To: jonrick46
His face is covered by the gun, but his steps were very slow ... sure did not look like a threat ... except maybe himself.

Wasn't that the concern of the lady ... she was afraid he'd hurt himself ?

So why does a cop, wanting to help stop harm ... perform harm ?

6 posted on 01/18/2014 3:50:08 PM PST by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: Karl Spooner

Johnston was advancing on the officer with a knife. That’s pretty much the point of no return.

But, that being said, the guy wasn’t being violent to anyone, he was contained within an empty house. Why couldn’t the officer have waited outside for backup to bring a taser or a shotgun with beanbag rounds?


7 posted on 01/18/2014 4:00:34 PM PST by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: ansel12

“We need a force of tough men with good training, and armed with several options of weapons and tools, that can diffuse situations and save lives.”

Tough men? You’re forgetting the women. Of course most women don’t have the physical strength of most men (remember several years ago in Atlanta when the grandmotherly sheriffs bailiff was overpowered by the prisoner she was escorting to court?), so female LEOs have to default to gun play when a male LEO might not have to.

And of course, you can’t have male LEOs subduing perpetrators a female LEO would have to shoot. (Looks bad and all that.) Therefore, male LEOs must be encouraged to resort to gunfire when they otherwise might not have to.

I’m not sure how much, if any, of this is sarcasm.


8 posted on 01/18/2014 4:13:27 PM PST by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the depth and breadth of their ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
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To: knarf
I agree lady ... motherphuquer !
Don't cops learn that if they slowly back out, the guy would follow him and you could tackle him ?

How do you know that the guy will follow him?
How do you know that the cop "could" tackle him?

In my opinion the guy was on his way TOWARD the cop with a knife. Why should the cop hesitate to shoot? He gave the guy ample warning. Perps are unpredictable. The guy also might have been on some drugs where he stopped thinking rationally.

Righteous shoot.

I guess you and I are destined to disagree on this.

9 posted on 01/18/2014 4:13:47 PM PST by cloudmountain
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To: PLMerite
Who knows if the guy didn't have a gun or knife hidden somewhere on his person.
He was unpredictable. Sane people do NOT walk towards ANYONE with a weapon. WHAT did that moron expect???
10 posted on 01/18/2014 4:15:46 PM PST by cloudmountain
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To: jonrick46
Eric Johnston acted like he wanted to end his life through a police gun. Either that or he was deaf and dumb. He did not make any action that would indicate he was capable of responding to anyone. The woman could have given some clue as to what was his problem. Drugs like Bath Salts?

Isn't that called a cop-suicide when folks seem to WANT to be killed by a cop? I forget.

If he ingested bath salts he would be puking his brains out...not wielding a knife and walking towards a cop.

He really was too stupid to live.

11 posted on 01/18/2014 4:17:55 PM PST by cloudmountain
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To: Karl Spooner
Looks like suicide by cop...

The guy was 35 years old, unless he was mentally unstable or disabled...he should have come out and surrendered

12 posted on 01/18/2014 4:22:48 PM PST by Popman ("Resistance to Tyrants is Obedience to God" - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: knarf
I think the cops need one more weapon in their arsenal: a tranquilizer dart gun.

The guy was carefully positioning himself for a clear path to make a charge at the officer. This would have guaranteed the outcome he wanted: suicide by cop. It is obvious that the man was mentally disabled either due to mental illness or drugs. The cops need the tranquilizer gun to protect these deranged people from themselves.

The problem I find about tranquilizer gun technology is there has not been found a tranquilizer that works quick enough to keep someone from doing harm while it takes effect. Police do not need to take a gun to a knife fight and need to have an alternative that will incapacitate the perp. Tasers are one way and I am curious why a taser was not used on Eric Johnston. Tranquilizer darts are another means, but the technology needs to be improved. Meanwhile, people like Eric Johnson will die because of the lack of technology.

13 posted on 01/18/2014 4:24:14 PM PST by jonrick46 (The opium of Communists: other people's money.)
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To: cloudmountain

See my Post #13


14 posted on 01/18/2014 4:25:21 PM PST by jonrick46 (The opium of Communists: other people's money.)
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To: Karl Spooner

Any of y’all ever seen a film called ‘Surviving Edged Weapons’?


15 posted on 01/18/2014 4:26:09 PM PST by real saxophonist
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To: Karl Spooner

“This should indicate to the officer to grab his Taser, not his gun.” (From the video.)

I disagree. The guy with the knife (which I never saw) was inside the Tueller distance as far as I could tell. If the Taser had missed, quite possible in a mobile situation, the cop would not have had time to draw his gun or maybe even fire a second shot from the Taser.

That’s not to say the cop could not have backed off and waited for backup, just that if he was going in the Taser was not the appropriate option for the situation.

And of course, I offer my opinion as one of the chairbourne, not someone on the front line.


16 posted on 01/18/2014 4:27:25 PM PST by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the depth and breadth of their ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
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To: knarf
The cop clearly panicked. From the time he first addresses the murder victim until he fires FIVE shots, exactly NINE SECONDS elapse. It is only during the last six seconds that the murder victim begins moving, very slowly, forward. Unfortunately, we can't really see what he's doing with the knife, but it does not appear very threatening. The cop lost his sh!t and decided to murder this kid.

So that this kid did not lose his life in vain, remember this: do not call the police to defuse a dangerous situation, because they will always make it worse. And remember if you're foolish enough to involve them, always do exactly what they tell you, because as all of the boot-licker apologists on this thread (and all those soon to arrive) will verify, whenever a cop murders someone, it's righteous.

17 posted on 01/18/2014 4:29:00 PM PST by FredZarguna (Das is nicht richtig nur falsch. Das ist nicht einmal falsch.)
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To: knarf

“Don’t cops learn that if they slowly back out, the guy would follow him and you could tackle him ?”

No. The facts are that the cop did exactly what he was trained to do. That is why no prosecution.


18 posted on 01/18/2014 4:29:16 PM PST by narses (... unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you.)
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To: FredZarguna

19 posted on 01/18/2014 4:30:35 PM PST by narses (... unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you.)
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To: narses

As predicted. The boot-lickers arrive.


20 posted on 01/18/2014 4:32:04 PM PST by FredZarguna (Das is nicht richtig nur falsch. Das ist nicht einmal falsch.)
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To: FredZarguna

Nope, the factually oriented. You do not want a cop to shoot you dead? Do not walk towards them with a knife in your hand and ignore repeated orders to drop the knife.

That you are already into name calling demonstrates how weak your arguments are. Sad.


21 posted on 01/18/2014 4:33:46 PM PST by narses (... unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you.)
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To: KrisKrinkle

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Explaining+the+deadly+force+decision%3A+the+opportunity+factor.-a011549909


22 posted on 01/18/2014 4:36:14 PM PST by narses (... unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you.)
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To: narses
The "repeated orders" from this cowardly POS lasted FOUR SECONDS.

Better solution: if you want to peacefully resolve a non-violent situation, DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES let the jack-boots into your home.

23 posted on 01/18/2014 4:36:39 PM PST by FredZarguna (Das is nicht richtig nur falsch. Das ist nicht einmal falsch.)
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To: narses

“The facts are that the cop did exactly what he was trained to do. That is why no prosecution.”

I think you might have found the problem... I don’t think the proper solution to crazy people is to train a cop to position himself so he can kill the crazy person and not be prosecuted.


24 posted on 01/18/2014 5:05:16 PM PST by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: knarf
Don't cops learn that if they slowly back out, the guy would follow him and you could tackle him ?

I don't think so. They will shoot you from 50 feet away while you are standing still.

Good job men

25 posted on 01/18/2014 5:25:20 PM PST by Karl Spooner
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To: PLMerite

I know. At that range he could have fired a non lethal shot to the shoulder or something. They must dream about it -


26 posted on 01/18/2014 5:25:20 PM PST by Karl Spooner
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To: narses
In the beginning of the video, there are at least three mentions of "He will hurt himself" or "He will cut himself"

The cop goes in and repeatedly calls out and assures him it's no big thing ... just a car crash ... lemmee help you

(Remember ... the cop is previewed to understand it is a scared guy wanting to harm himself ... not others)

The guy comes out slowly ... apparently with a knife (can't see but it COULD be to his own throat) .. who ya gonn'a believe ?

The cops voice escalates into panic

and shoots the guy 5 times.


You can use all the words you want ... he came at me with a knife ... are words that do not match the cops' own video as far as being threatening is concerned.

The cop was not threatened ... he was disobeyed, and THAT by god is a mortal sin a cop CANNOT allow !

27 posted on 01/18/2014 5:33:25 PM PST by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: Karl Spooner

Taser out of batteries I guess?


28 posted on 01/18/2014 6:12:55 PM PST by DCBryan1 (No realli, moose bytes can be quite nasti!!)
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To: DCBryan1
My daughter is a cop in Texas. She has no taser. They won't let anyone on her force have a taser. They think it's too violent. She can beat them with her Asp, or her Glock .40, that's pretty much it. She now has a 12 ga in her car and will soon get an AR15 for the trunk, but no taser.

There are highly paid officials that make these decisions.

I forgot, she also has pepper spray, but that only works on children.

29 posted on 01/18/2014 7:24:32 PM PST by chuckles
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To: knarf
Dial 911, expect someone to die.

I'm old.
It used to be considered “reasonable” to call the cops to defuse any dangerous situation, before it got out of hand, and someone got hurt or killed.

Nowadays?

If you call the police for any reason, you have created an even more potentially dangerous situation.

It wasn't that way in the past, but it is now, everywhere.

30 posted on 01/18/2014 8:03:14 PM PST by sarasmom (Extortion 17. A large number of Navy SEALs died on that mission. Ask why.)
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To: knarf

So, the cop should have taken one for the team...?


31 posted on 01/18/2014 8:46:05 PM PST by barney10
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To: barney10
democrats always talk like that

They're givin a scenerio or even a set of facts and they re-word it to adjust for their agenda.

No one here has said nor implied that the cop should commit suicide (see? I can re-arrange the thought pattern too .. )

If that cop responded to his training, his training overrode and superceded the ability to think rationally.


My bother, one of Boston's finest, dead now some 20 years, loved to fight.
He'd tell us stories (and practice with his claw, now outlawed, on us,) his younger brothers and being stationed at 13, in JP, had plenty of opportunity to tumble.

That's what cops did in the 50's and 60's .. you fell down the steps, your honor, while bringing him in .....

32 posted on 01/19/2014 3:46:40 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: knarf

That’s what cops did in the 50’s and 60’s .. you fell down the steps, your honor, while bringing him in ....
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
That carried over to the Navy when ‘escorting’ a thief or someone with roaming hands to the showers to get his ‘deckplate justice’ shower administered by those that shared his living space.....

At mast, the Capt would ‘always’ say “What happened to SN Jones?” With the answer being “Sir! SN Jones must have fallen up the ladder on his way to the shower”.
“OK”....

Course I am sure SN Jones didn’t really care (at that point) that 30 years prior he would more than likely have been the ‘leading character’ in a Man Overboard Drill...that is if someone would have spotted his sorry self after being thrown over the side.


33 posted on 01/19/2014 4:17:04 AM PST by xrmusn (6/98 --Because you have your head up your arse doesn't mean you have to have a crappy outlook.)
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To: sarasmom

“It used to be considered “reasonable” to call the cops to defuse any dangerous situation, before it got out of hand, and someone got hurt or killed.”

That was before the leftards started allowing women to pretend they could be police officers.


34 posted on 01/19/2014 11:27:45 AM PST by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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