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Robert E. Lee: American Patriot and Southern Hero
Canda Free Press ^ | January 19, 2014 | Calvin E. Johnson, Jr.

Posted on 01/19/2014 5:51:53 AM PST by BigReb555

“Here I greet you in the shadow of the statue of your Commander, General Robert E. Lee. You and he left us memories which are part of the memories bequeathed to the entire nation by all the Americans who fought in the War Between the States.”

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Do you remember when….

Fess Parker played “Davy Crockett” on TV, American school and military bands played “Dixie” and the late country music legend Johnny Cash sang “God Bless Robert E. Lee” that includes these words:

“I won't ever stop loving you my Dixie till they put me in the ground. And the last words they probably hear from me are God bless Robert E Lee.”

What was General Robert E. Lee’s favorite war horse? See answer at end of article.

January is a historic month of history when students, teachers, parents, Joe and Jane America and the world will hear much praise in memorial tribute to the Civil Rights leader and Baptist Pastor Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. who was born on the 15th day of January, in the year of our Lord, 1929 in Atlanta, Georgia…. But, shouldn’t local, state and national news institutions also give fair and equal treatment and coverage to those who will remember the birthdays of General’s Stonewall Jackson and Robert E. Lee who were also born during the month of January?

There will be memorial tributes to honor Dr. Martin Luther King in January and….

General Robert E. Lee will be memorialized in Lexington, Virginia with a tribute to both him and Stonewall Jackson on January 17th and 18th. Read more at: http://leejacksonday.webs.com/

The Georgia Division Sons of Confederate Veterans will again sponsor their annual Robert E. Lee Birthday Commemorative on Saturday January 18, 2014 at the Old Capitol Building, 201 E. Greene St., Milledgeville, Georgia. The parade route will assemble at 10:30 a.m. at the Old Governor's Mansion on W. Hancock Street and proceed through downtown to the Old Capitol on East Greene St.

The ceremony should begin around 11:00 a.m. at the Old Capitol where Georgia voted to secede from the Union in 1861. Read more at: http://gascv.org/robert-e-lee-celebration/#comment-4

During Robert E. Lee's 100th birthday in 1907, Charles Francis Adams, Jr., a former Union Army Commander and grandson of United States President John Quincy Adams, spoke in tribute to Robert E. Lee at Washington and Lee College's Lee Chapel in Lexington, Virginia. His speech was printed in both Northern and Southern newspapers and is said to had lifted Lee to a renewed respect among the American people.

Could you imagine the President of the United States, members of Congress or A Northern Veteran speaking publicly today in tribute to General Lee like Commander Adams and President Theodore Roosevelt did while touring the South in 1905?....The president told an aged group of Confederate Veterans in Richmond, Virginia:

“Here I greet you in the shadow of the statue of your Commander, General Robert E. Lee. You and he left us memories which are part of the memories bequeathed to the entire nation by all the Americans who fought in the War Between the States.”

Who was Robert E. Lee?

Robert E. Lee was born on Jan. 19, 1807, at “Stratford” in Westmoreland County, Virginia. The winter was cold and the fireplaces were little help for Robert's mother, Ann Hill (Carter) Lee, who suffered from a severe cold. Ann Lee named her son "Robert Edward" after her two brothers.

Lee was educated at the schools of Alexandria, Va., and also received an appointment to the United States Military Academy at West Point in New York in 1825. He graduated in 1829, second in his class and without a single demerit.

Robert E. Lee's first assignment was to Cockspur Island, Georgia, to supervise the construction of Fort Pulaski.

Robert E. Lee wed Mary Anna Randolph Custis in June 1831. Robert and Mary had grown up together. Mary was the daughter of George Washington Parke Custis, the grandson of Martha Washington and the adopted son of George Washington.

In 1836, Lee was appointed to first lieutenant. In 1838, with the rank of captain, Lee fought valiantly in the War with Mexico and was wounded at the Battle of Chapultepec.

He was appointed superintendent of West Point in 1852 and is considered one of the best superintendents in that institution's history.

General Winfield Scott offered Robert E. Lee command of the Union Army in 1861, but he refused. Lee would command the legendary Army of Northern Virginia for the South during the War Between the States.

The answer to the question of what was Lee’s beloved war horse is “Traveller” who is buried near Robert E. Lee and his family at Washington and Lee University in Lexington, Virginia.

Do our schools teach the young folks about Robert E. Lee and his farewell address to the troops?

Robert E. Lee, Farewell to the Army of Northern Virginia

Headquarters Army of Northern Virginia Appomattox Courthouse, April 10, 1865 (General Orders No. 9)

After four years' arduous service, marked by unsurpassed courage and fortitude, the Army of Northern Virginia has been compelled to yield to overwhelming numbers and resources.

I need not tell the survivors of so many hard fought battles who have remained steadfast to the last, that I have consented to this result from no distrust of them, but feeling that valor and devotion could accomplish nothing that could compensate for the loss which would have attended the continuation of the contest, I have determined to avoid the useless sacrifice of those whose past services have endeared them to their countrymen. You will take with you the satisfaction that proceeds from the consciousness of duty faithfully performed, and I earnestly pray that a merciful God may extend to you His blessing and protection. With an increasing admiration of your constancy and devotion to your country, and a grateful remembrance of your kind and generous consideration of myself, I bid you an affectionate farewell.

Robert E. Lee General

Let’s not forget our heroes!

1 posted on 01/19/2014 5:51:53 AM PST by BigReb555
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To: BigReb555

I wonder who will emerge as the heroes in the next war between the states?


2 posted on 01/19/2014 5:53:15 AM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: BigReb555

Thanx 4-posting!
Dick.G: AMERICAN !
*****


3 posted on 01/19/2014 6:00:21 AM PST by gunnyg ("A Constitution changed from Freedom, can never be restored; Liberty, once lost, is lost forever...)
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To: BigReb555
Robert E. Lee: American Patriot
Benedict Arnold had a successful career before committing treason, yet we don't call him a patriot.
Lee had the opportunity to fight for America against the south, yet chose to fight for the CSA.
How is he an American patriot?
4 posted on 01/19/2014 6:00:56 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: BigReb555; stylecouncilor

Thanks for posting.

s, ping....


5 posted on 01/19/2014 6:01:35 AM PST by onedoug
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To: BigReb555

I will not forget. But the next generation will never even hear of Lee and many others.
We are in the midst of a purge very similar to the purges of the old Soviet Union. Remember the pictures taken in 1918-1960 then displayed with some formerly important personage airbrushed out? Same thing is happening in the United States now. My grandchildren will only know Robert E. Lee and the others as evil slave owners who were disloyal to America and Lincoln.


6 posted on 01/19/2014 6:03:53 AM PST by Tupelo (I am feeling more like Philip Nolan every day)
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To: oh8eleven

You’re just kidding aren’t you? You know that R. E. Lee was a patriotic son of Virginia and needed to fight to push the juggernaut that was then the central government back to the tiny District of Columbia.

This had nothing to do with being a traitor and everything to do with what’s happening in this pathetic nation today. That central government of 1861 is now an octopus. It’s tentacles reach into every facet of our everyday lives. It is now the Central Communist Government!

The war had only an iota to do with slavery, but everything to do with the rights of the states and the Constitution.

Be concerned about the miasma created by statists that today literally chokes the life out of a once great nation.


7 posted on 01/19/2014 6:07:31 AM PST by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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To: oh8eleven

Was he still not an American when he was a general for the Confederacy?


8 posted on 01/19/2014 6:09:57 AM PST by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: KoRn
Was he still not an American when he was a general for the Confederacy?

Wouldn't that depend on how you define the term?

9 posted on 01/19/2014 6:14:56 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: IbJensen
This had nothing to do with being a traitor ...
   The war had only an iota to do with slavery ...

10 posted on 01/19/2014 6:17:31 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: oh8eleven

August 9, 1960

Dear Dr. Scott:

Respecting your August 1 inquiry calling attention to my often expressed admiration for General Robert E. Lee, I would say, first, that we need to understand that at the time of the War Between the States the issue of Secession had remained unresolved for more than 70 years. Men of probity, character, public standing and unquestioned loyalty, both North and South, had disagreed over this issue as a matter of principle from the day our Constitution was adopted.

General Robert E. Lee was, in my estimation, one of the supremely gifted men produced by our Nation. He believed unswervingly in the Constitutional validity of his cause which until 1865 was still an arguable question in America; he was thoughtful yet demanding of his officers and men, forbearing with captured enemies but ingenious, unrelenting and personally courageous in battle, and never disheartened by a reverse or obstacle. Through all his many trials, he remained selfless almost to a fault and unfailing in his belief in God. Taken altogether, he was noble as a leader and as a man, and unsullied as I read the pages of our history.

From deep conviction I simply say this: a nation of men of Lee’s caliber would be unconquerable in spirit and soul. Indeed, to the degree that present-day American youth will strive to emulate his rare qualities, including his devotion to this land as revealed in his painstaking efforts to help heal the nation’s wounds once the bitter struggle was over, we, in our own time of danger in a divided world, will be strengthened and our love of freedom sustained.

Such are the reasons that I proudly display the picture of this great American on my office wall.

Sincerely,

Dwight D. Eisenhower


11 posted on 01/19/2014 6:18:58 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: oh8eleven

He was loyal to Virginia

Lest we forget, there were many black soldiers fighting for the Confederacy

http://www.usgennet.org/usa/mo/county/stlouis/blackcs.htm

this was a war of differing visions

it split families

most who fought fought on principle


12 posted on 01/19/2014 6:29:54 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: oh8eleven
>>How is he an American patriot?<<

Your brief profile indicates you served our country, YOU are an American Patriot.

In light of the current political landscape, I often lament for what our country would look like if the yankees had lost the war.

Robert E. Lee is indeed a hero and a patriot to the South. Perhaps not to the North, but certainly to the South.

Comparing the likes of Pelosi, McCain, Graham, Ried, Obozo, Clinton, Jimmy Carter to General Lee would be an absolute insult to the very notion of courage, integrity, honor, chivalry, patriotism, loyalty.

The whole notion that the war of Northern aggression was about slavery is in of itself sophomoric and a shallow understanding of the war.

Because of the outcome of the war, we live under a mammoth federal social state where liberty, freedom and a government of the people...are no more.

13 posted on 01/19/2014 6:35:05 AM PST by servantboy777
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To: KoRn
YES! A true son of the South and a Virginian in all ways. Just as I'm an American and hate both lawless corrupt party's in D.C. One day I will stand with my brothers in Georga against a government that has gone crazy. Please read the Constitution and the Federalist Papers you will see true Americans have the right to come against a lawless government.
14 posted on 01/19/2014 6:35:25 AM PST by lostboy61 (Lock and Load and stand your ground!)
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To: BigReb555

If Robert E. Lee’s home in 1861 wasn’t in Virginia (at the site of what is now Arlington National Cemetery), he would have ended being Union general—and that could have dramatically changed the course of the Civil War.


15 posted on 01/19/2014 6:35:27 AM PST by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: BigReb555
As a Northerner (by accident of birth, I'm convinced), I recall reading about General Lee at a very young age and being impressed even then with the integrity and sense of honor he exuded. While I think time has tarnished that glow slightly, he still stands head and shoulders above the other combatants as a paragon of what war can represent amid its horrors: an honorable test of one side's values against another's.

Perhaps it is the "forlorn hope" theme of the Southern cause, or the vestiges of nobility that guided so many of his actions, but whatever the source, there is something almost classically tragic about his story, and he remains an inspiration to any who would forgo their partisan alignment and focus on traits that transcend mere allegiance.

16 posted on 01/19/2014 6:35:30 AM PST by IronJack
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To: central_va

Thanks for posting. I had never read that.


17 posted on 01/19/2014 6:47:38 AM PST by CrazyIvan (Obama phones= Bread and circuits.)
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To: IronJack

Put his bust in the WH next to Churchills.


18 posted on 01/19/2014 6:51:58 AM PST by DIRTYSECRET (urope. Why do they put up with this.)
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To: BigReb555

Lee, Jackson and other generals were simply really bothered that an unwelcome visitor was on Virginia soil. That was their motivation to engage.


19 posted on 01/19/2014 6:58:22 AM PST by lurk
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To: oh8eleven

Sad. Posts such as this reinforce my confidence that we made the right decision in homeschooling our daughter...


20 posted on 01/19/2014 6:59:42 AM PST by awelliott (What one generation tolerates, the next embraces....)
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To: StoneWall Brigade

You might enjoy this article.


21 posted on 01/19/2014 7:00:46 AM PST by dynachrome (Vertrou in God en die Mauser)
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To: oh8eleven

Considering how the all powerful national government thing worked out, it seems to me that Lee fought on the correct side.


22 posted on 01/19/2014 7:01:26 AM PST by jospehm20
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To: lostboy61
"A true son of the South and a Virginian in all ways."

That pretty well describes me, though I've been very disappointed in my state lately. I'm ready to 'donate' the Northern part of my state to Maryland or DC. The ever expanding .gov is polluting our state politically. I'm sure the folks in Richmond enjoy all of that tax revenue though.

23 posted on 01/19/2014 7:03:52 AM PST by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: oh8eleven; rustbucket
You certainly are a prime example of an American who not only doesn't understand the country's history, but does not know what he does not know.

From a noted writer and historian (ask if you any curiosity at all):

” I desire to make known to the reader not only the renowned
soldier, whom I believe to have been the greatest of his age, but to give some insight into the character of one whom I have always considered the most perfect man I ever met.

”He was opposed to secession, and to prevent it he would
willingly sacrifice everything except honor and duty, which
forbid him to desert his State... Nothing would induce him
to have any part in the invasion of his own State, much as
he abhorred the war into which he felt she was rushing. His
love of country (Virginia), his unselfish patriotism, caused
him to relinquish home, fortune, a certain future, in fact
everything for her sake.”

0n Lee turning down the offer of command of the Union army to side with Virginia and the Confederacy

” He spoke bitterly of none - a remarkable fact, as at that
time men on both sides were wont to heap the most
violent terms of abuse upon their respective enemies.”

On the character and Christian nature of Lee

” Where else in history is a great man to be found whose
whole life was one such blameless record of duty nobly
done? ... The most perfect gentleman of a State long
celebrated for its chivalry, he was just, gentle, and
generous, and child-like in the simplicity of his
character.”

On the character of Lee

” I have met many of the great men of my time, but Lee
alone impressed me with the feeling that I was in the
presence of a man who was cast in a grander mould,
and made of different and of finer metal than all other
men. He is stamped upon my memory as a being apart
and superior to all others in every way: a man with whom
none I ever knew, and very few of whom I have read, are
worthy to be classed.”

On the greatness of Lee

” When all the angry feelings roused by Secession are
buried with those which existed when the Declaration of
Independence was written, when Americans can review
the history of their last great rebellion with calm impartiality, I believe that all will admit that General Lee towered far above all men on either side of that struggle: I believe he will be regarded not only as the most prominent figure of the Confederacy, but as the great American of the
nineteenth century, whose statue is well worthy to stand
on an equal pedestal with that of Washington, and whose
memory is worthy to be enshrined in the hearts of all his
countrymen.”

24 posted on 01/19/2014 7:04:51 AM PST by PeaRidge
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To: servantboy777
Robert E. Lee is indeed a hero and a patriot to the South.
And as I said, not an American patriot.
25 posted on 01/19/2014 7:19:16 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: jospehm20
Considering how the all powerful national government thing worked out
Well, aren't you the genius ... with 150 y/o hindsight.
26 posted on 01/19/2014 7:20:50 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: BigReb555

Robert E. Lee was born on Jan. 19, 1807, at “Stratford” in Westmoreland County, Virginia.
Robert’s mother, Ann Hill (Carter) Lee, named her son “Robert Edward” after her two brothers.

Robert E. Lee’s father was Henry Lee III also known as Light-Horse Harry Lee.
Henry Lee was a Lieutenant Colonel in the Continental Army during the Revolutionary War and later became Governor of Virginia.

Robert E. Lee was educated in Alexandria, Va., and received an appointment to the United States Military Academy at West Point in New York in 1825. He graduated in 1829, second in his class.

Robert E. Lee’s first assignment was to Cockspur Island, Georgia, to supervise the construction of Fort Pulaski.

In 1831, Robert E. Lee married Mary Anna Randolph Custis. Robert and Mary had grown up together. Mary was the daughter of George Washington Parke Custis, a grandson of Martha Washington, and an adopted son of George Washington.

In 1836, Lee was appointed to first lieutenant.

In 1838, Captain Lee fought in the War with Mexico and was wounded at the Battle of Chapultepec.

In 1852, he was appointed superintendent of West Point, and is considered one of the best superintendents in that institution’s history.

In 1862, General Winfield Scott offered Robert E. Lee the command of the Union Army, but Lee refused. He would, instead, command the legendary Army of Northern Virginia for the Confederacy during the War Between the States.

On September 28, 1870, Lee suffered a stroke and died two weeks later on October 12, 1870, in Lexington, Virginia. His last words were reported to be, “Strike the tent.”

Lee was buried underneath Lee Chapel on the grounds of Washington and Lee University in a crypt that includes many of his direct family members: the General himself, his wife Mary, his seven children, and his parents Henry “Light Horse Harry” Lee and Anne Carter Lee.

In 1870, during Lee’s funeral procession, his beloved horse, Traveler followed behind the wagon bearing the General’s casket, his saddle and bridle were draped with black crepe. In 1871, not long after Lee’s death, Traveler also died, and he is buried a few feet away from the crypt where his master’s body rests.


27 posted on 01/19/2014 7:33:10 AM PST by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: oh8eleven
I'm good with that!

John McCain
Rank Captain
Battles/wars
Vietnam War
Awards
Silver Star
Legion of Merit
Distinguished Flying Cross
Bronze Star
Purple Heart
Navy Commendation Medal

John McCain's a perfect example. Even though John McCain served our country well...he’z still wrong headed in his thinking.

Just sayin.

28 posted on 01/19/2014 7:37:03 AM PST by servantboy777
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To: PeaRidge
Gheeze, what a convenient and pious (unexpected!) misrepresentation of history. LOL ...
You can post Lee quotes until forever, talk is cheap.
Fact is, he voluntarily took up arms and fought against America.
29 posted on 01/19/2014 7:37:19 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: BigReb555

He was a gentleman of class and honor. Most people these days have no idea what this means.


30 posted on 01/19/2014 7:40:51 AM PST by Born to Conserve
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To: Repeal The 17th

31 posted on 01/19/2014 7:43:06 AM PST by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: Born to Conserve

32 posted on 01/19/2014 7:52:54 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: oh8eleven

Because he was fighting against a northern aggression that wanted central control from D.C. The north won and voila, here we have our current situation.


33 posted on 01/19/2014 8:03:20 AM PST by Bulwyf
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To: oh8eleven

I’m guessing from your graphic that you think the war was about slavery?

My 4 year old is smart enough to figure out that wasn’t the case.

Slavery is what was sold to the public to gain popular support, just like we see today, not much has changed in that time.


34 posted on 01/19/2014 8:05:44 AM PST by Bulwyf
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To: ilovesarah2012

“I wonder who will emerge as the heroes in the next war between the states?”

Interesting thought. I don’t think it will be secession this time around. You don’t have to secede to nullify the Federal govt. But it will be the Southern and some Western states who do through state sovereignty. The Northeast and most of the Midwest is just too progressive. They will sit by and do nothing. Its going to get very interesting in the next couple of years.


35 posted on 01/19/2014 8:10:34 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: IbJensen

re: “The war had only an iota to do with slavery, but everything to do with the rights of the states and the Constitution.”

I have nothing but the utmost respect for Robert E. Lee, one of our truly great Americans and military leaders.

However, your statement above is simply not true. The Civil War, the 2nd War for American Independence, etc. WAS indeed over the issue of slavery.

South Carolina seceded from the Union when Lincoln won the election. Several other Southern states seceded before Lincoln was ever inaugurated. Lincoln had done nothing officially as president - yet the majority of the states that comprised the Confederacy had already seceded. Why?

Because Lincoln was adamantly opposed to allowing slavery to be introduced into the territories that would one day become states. This was the whole point of the “Lincoln-Douglas” debates a few years before in 1856.

Lincoln had repeatedly said that where slavery already existed, he, as president, had no Constitutional authority to intervene. But, because slavery was a moral wrong, he would oppose it’s being even contemplated in the territories.

This was why the South seceded when he was elected. They knew that as more and more territories became states, and were added as “free” states, they would one day be outnumbered and outvoted in Congress, and thus they saw that as a threat to their economic and cultural welfare.

I used to side with Lincoln on not allowing secession. He saw it as a threat to the existence of the United States. For, if a state could simply vote itself out of the Union whenever they felt like it - what’s to stop that from happening at anytime? What’s to keep that from turning the United States into another Europe?

While I still agree somewhat with Lincoln’s assessment as to the threat of secession, I also feel that the issues over which the South seceded were not on the high moral ground. All the issues of contention they had with the North could be dealt with, and even found wide support for their views from future new states - except the issue of slavery.

On the other hand, I’m coming to the position that Lincoln should have just let the South go. After all, secession, at least to me, should be a viable possibility when the federal government consistently violates the restraints placed upon it by the Constitution. That’s what we did in the Revolution against Britain - we seceded from them.

Also, whether one agrees with the South’s reasons for seceding, they were united in their determination to leave the Union. The people of their states had voted to leave the Union in a totally legal election called by their respective states. Once the South seceded, Lincoln, in my opinion, should have honored South Carolina’s demand to remove U.S. troops from Fort Sumpter.

I understand Lincoln’s fear that secession could destroy the nation, but the high cost of forcing the South back into the Union was, in my opinion, not worth all the death and destruction. We are still dealing with fallout from that war today. Had Lincoln allowed the South to leave in peace, I think that eventually many of those states would have voluntarily returned for economic reasons. I think slavery would have also eventually been removed as the South as well.

So, while I have the utmost admiration for Lee and the Southern fighting men, and that there were many reasons that the average non-slave owning Southerner fought, the overall aggravating cause of the contention between the North and the South, was slavery.

I think if the South had seceded, then emancipated their slaves, they would have won their bid for independence. But, that’s just my opinion.


36 posted on 01/19/2014 8:18:03 AM PST by rusty schucklefurd
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To: oh8eleven

The North fought the war over money. Plain and simple. When the South started Secession, Lincoln was asked, “Why not let the South go in peace?” To which he replied, “I can’t let them go. Who would pay for the government?” Sensing total financial ruin for the North, Lincoln waged war on the South. The South fought the War to repel Northern aggression and invasion.

Lincoln needed the cotton taxes. Its nothing new. The govt is always about the taxes.


37 posted on 01/19/2014 8:20:39 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: yldstrk
there were many black soldiers fighting for the Confederacy

A lost-cause myth that cannot stand up to the facts. Here's a review of the evidence on the subject.

http://www.marinersmuseum.org/blogs/civilwar/?p=2873

The most obvious fact is that the CSA congress finally agreed to black soldiers to be enlisted only on March 13, 1865. The Yankees were quite literally at the gates of Richmond, and the law allowing black soldiers was passed only after the personal plea of RE Lee.

Revealingly, Lee requested that black slave soldiers be freed on enlistment. Even with Lee's request and the obvious desperate nature of the situation, the CSA Congress could not bring themeselves to free even blacks who fought for them. They passed the law without such provision.

38 posted on 01/19/2014 8:24:30 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: IbJensen
This had nothing to do with being a traitor and everything to do with what’s happening in this pathetic nation today. That central government of 1861 is now an octopus. It’s tentacles reach into every facet of our everyday lives. It is now the Central Communist Government!

Lincoln kept the Octopus out. Southern sympathizer Wilson is who brought it in with the Federal Reserve. That's where that started.

39 posted on 01/19/2014 8:26:04 AM PST by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: PeaRidge; oh8eleven

And he damn near whupped ‘em.

Re your #29, oh8: Isn’t that one of the supposed reasons we own guns? To defend against tyranny? It’s a pretty big theme on FR.


40 posted on 01/19/2014 8:28:30 AM PST by onedoug
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To: Georgia Girl 2
“Why not let the South go in peace?” To which he replied, “I can’t let them go. Who would pay for the government?”

lol If the South was such an economic powerhouse they would have won.

41 posted on 01/19/2014 8:30:26 AM PST by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: Partisan Gunslinger

“If the South was such an economic powerhouse they would have won. “

The cotton tax or levy produced an enormous amount of money for the Federal govt.

The Federal govt in Lincoln’s day was no different than the govt now. Government is government.


42 posted on 01/19/2014 8:36:15 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: oh8eleven

You kind of missed the point. I think the people who saw it coming and tried to fight it 150 years ago were pretty smart. Thanks for the compliment.


43 posted on 01/19/2014 8:42:53 AM PST by jospehm20
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To: Sherman Logan

IF you read what I posted, which you OBVIOUSLY did not, the Confederate officers welcomed the black soldiers DESPITE the law.


44 posted on 01/19/2014 8:44:10 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: oh8eleven; PeaRidge
Benedict Arnold had a successful career before committing treason, yet we don't call him a patriot.
Lee had the opportunity to fight for America against the south, yet chose to fight for the CSA.
How is he an American patriot?

The text below is by President Rutherford B Hayes [source: President Rutherford Birchard Hayes, my bold below]

May 2 [1891]. Saturday.-At the G. A. R. [State Encampment] there was a little demagoguery in the way of keeping alive the bitterness of the war. A motion was made and carried against the purchase of Chickamauga battlefield, against Rebel monuments, etc., etc. The truth is, the men of the South believed in their theory of the Constitution. There was plausibility, perhaps more than plausibility, in the States' rights doctrine under the terms and in the history of the Constitution. Lee and Jackson are not in the moral character of their deeds to be classed with Benedict Arnold. They fought for their convictions, for their country as they had been educated to regard it. Let them be mistaken, and treated accordingly. Their military genius and heroism make the glory of the Union triumph.

If memory serves, the federal government has declared all Confederate soldiers to be Americans.

45 posted on 01/19/2014 8:59:10 AM PST by rustbucket
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To: rusty schucklefurd
Found this article several years ago.You may find it of interest.

http://patdollard.com/2009/03/all-wars-are-economic-and-are-always-between-centralists-and-decentralists/

46 posted on 01/19/2014 8:59:37 AM PST by hwkbeer
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To: dynachrome

Thanks for the ping great article.


47 posted on 01/19/2014 8:59:55 AM PST by StoneWall Brigade
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To: Georgia Girl 2
The cotton tax or levy produced an enormous amount of money for the Federal govt.

Give me some numbers.

The Federal govt in Lincoln’s day was no different than the govt now. Government is government.

Actually it changed with Wilson bringing the Federal Reserve, and then FDR with his socialism, and then LBJ with his War on Poverty, and Carter, Clinton, and Obama with their wars on the private sector. It's gone downhill a lot since 1912.

48 posted on 01/19/2014 9:03:07 AM PST by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: rustbucket

Good to see how you feeling?


49 posted on 01/19/2014 9:04:38 AM PST by StoneWall Brigade
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To: Georgia Girl 2
Lincoln needed the cotton taxes.

Except there never were any taxes on cotton.

The 1860 federal budget, that Lincoln was supposedly trying to fund, was $60M.

Over the next 4 years, to fight the war needed to protect that $60M/year, Lincoln raised and spent $40000M, entirely from the states that remained loyal.

Isn't it logical that it would have been financially a good deal easier for him let the southern states go and raise the $240M needed to run the government over four years from those same states than $4000M to wage war to get the southern states back?

The idea that any and all conflicts are at root about money derives from what is called vulgar Marxism. Why people who claim to be conservatives think it is insightful to accept a theory originated or at least popularized by Karl Marx is beyond me.

In actual fact, very few wars in human history made any sense, for either side, from a financial POV. Human wars arise from greed of individuals, pride, desire for prestige, and a host of other motivations. Almost never does a rational analysis of of financial alternatives play much or a role.

50 posted on 01/19/2014 9:05:41 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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