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A car dealerís scientific guide to the 10 worst used vehicles
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Posted on 01/19/2014 10:57:43 AM PST by cicero2k

Quality is something we all want when it comes to cars, especially older used ones. But how do we get it?

I have been studying this question in one form or another for nearly 14 years now. I began my automotive career as a car dealer, buying and selling hundreds of vehicles a year. As time went on, I became an auto auctioneer, a remarketing manager and a part-owner of a wholesale auto auction.

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Many Freepers like to drive older cars. This article offers much insight into which cars are good and worth repairing vs. which are crushed (i.e. older Ford Taurus and Chryslers with 2.7 engines)

Also see analysis at

http://members.wolfram.com/nickl/QualityIndexRating.html

1 posted on 01/19/2014 10:57:43 AM PST by cicero2k
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To: cicero2k

I’ve actually never had a problem with my “older Suzuki”. Still has original muffler/cat and valve cover never off except for timing belt change.


2 posted on 01/19/2014 11:02:31 AM PST by steve86 (Some things aren't really true but you wouldn't be half surprised if they were.)
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To: cicero2k

All vehicles I would avoid anyway. Still interesting. Friend of mine said stay away from Mazda because of oil leaks.

I will add one of my own, 2008 Chevy Aveo, just because for a small car it got crappy MPG ( and I drive 60 ). Underpowered, accelerates like a pig on stilts. Only good point, it had the best factory radio of any car I’ve had.


3 posted on 01/19/2014 11:05:37 AM PST by 12th_Monkey (One man one vote is a big fail, when the "one" man is an idiot.)
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To: cicero2k

We’ve had good luck with Cadillac DTS. We buy them when they are coming off lease at 3 years, and we drive them forever. We buy the most luxiurious model available (heated and cooled seates, back up sensors, etc.)


4 posted on 01/19/2014 11:07:19 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: cicero2k

I’ve had some problems with my used Aviator but overall it is a solid vehicle.


5 posted on 01/19/2014 11:08:58 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: cicero2k

I call BS. I would expect GM to claim at a minimum seven of the bottom ten spots.


6 posted on 01/19/2014 11:09:05 AM PST by Hoodat (Democrats - Opposing Equal Protection since 1828)
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To: cicero2k

(later)


7 posted on 01/19/2014 11:09:43 AM PST by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: cicero2k
I have a '96 Firebird that I love....actually I have had four of them. Two TA's and two FB's.

Id rather put 15k into this car and make it "new" rather than spend 25K on a new car.

8 posted on 01/19/2014 11:09:55 AM PST by Las Vegas Ron ("Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism" Vladimir Lenin)
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To: cicero2k

I don’t imagine they’re around anymore, but the Mazda RX7 should certainly qualify - that rotary was a total POS!


9 posted on 01/19/2014 11:12:02 AM PST by Slump Tester (What if I'm pregnant Teddy? Errr-ahh -Calm down Mary Jo, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it)
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To: cicero2k

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2012/12/monday-mileage-champion-the-year-in-review/

...Well, approximately two-thirds of the vehicles that reach the 300k+ mark at an auction I attend will usually belong in one of four categories.

Ford truck or SUV. Chevy truck or SUV. Honda car. Toyota everything.

There you have it. Nearly two thirds of the vehicles that I see with serious high mileage credentials will belong in one of those four categories...


10 posted on 01/19/2014 11:13:59 AM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: cicero2k

All ten of those cars are crap to begin with - I just picked up a 2000 Buick Park Avenue Ultra with 67K original miles and nary a scratch on it for 6 grand. Original sticker price 38K, it has the excellent V6 with a factory supercharger. Gets 25mpg on a cruise with a ton of passing power.


11 posted on 01/19/2014 11:16:10 AM PST by dainbramaged (Windage and elevation, Mrs. Langdon; windage and elevation.)
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To: cicero2k

Thanks for posting.


12 posted on 01/19/2014 11:27:26 AM PST by PAR35
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To: dainbramaged

My 1998 Buick Park Avenue Non-Ultra has 190,000 miles and plenty of scratches. Plenty of nuisance problems (stuck doors, windows , bas head lamp lenses) and I HATE daytime running lights, but that 3800 drivetain is a champ.


13 posted on 01/19/2014 11:28:15 AM PST by Dr. Sivana (¬ďThe only thing that can save us is if Kerry wins the Nobel prize and leaves us alone.¬Ē-Moshe Yaal)
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To: Hoodat

Depends. I know many people who have had great luck with GM trucks. Some of the cheap econoboxes they made, not so much.


14 posted on 01/19/2014 11:31:05 AM PST by matt04
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To: cicero2k

What?

No Pintos or Gremlins?


15 posted on 01/19/2014 11:35:43 AM PST by left that other site
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To: cicero2k

I love my ‘06 Scion Xa. Only gripe is that the paint is fragile and gets chipped off easily. Add that to the NYC drivers who believe they have to tap the cars fore and aft while parallel parking, and you have chipped bumpers.


16 posted on 01/19/2014 11:40:37 AM PST by EinNYC
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To: left that other site

Don’t forget Chevy Vegas!


17 posted on 01/19/2014 11:40:47 AM PST by 4yearlurker (Some people say that experts agree!!)
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To: 4yearlurker

Oh Yeah...and the Chevy Geo too.


18 posted on 01/19/2014 11:42:51 AM PST by left that other site
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To: matt04

My 1999 Chevy Venture is the best running vehicle I ever owned. It’s got 128 thousand miles and still runs great! That being said I will never buy another Chevy.


19 posted on 01/19/2014 11:43:00 AM PST by 4yearlurker (Some people say that experts agree!!)
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To: jjotto
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2012/12/monday-mileage-champion-the-year-in-review/

A good complimentary article.

As an owner of a 2000 Civic, I tell people that it is like driving for the cost of gasoline, and at 35 MPG, it is not much.

Then my 2005 Chevy Trailblazer. Rides quiet as a luxury car, and had only to replace a fuel pump in all that time. The brakes are original.

20 posted on 01/19/2014 11:43:54 AM PST by cicero2k
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To: cicero2k

This is fishy ... 8 out of 10 are Ford Motor Company associated cars (Mazda/Land Rover/Lincoln/Jaguar). Probably written by a GM Union acolyte.


21 posted on 01/19/2014 11:46:54 AM PST by Tellurian (Obama's allegiance is to his "father's" dreams)
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To: jjotto

My dad had two separate ford f-250 vans that he got 200 thousand plus miles out of and sold and bother are still on the road ten years later.


22 posted on 01/19/2014 11:47:22 AM PST by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: left that other site

as was posted on that link; the whole article was a thinly disguised ad for Toyotas. Bought and paid for.


23 posted on 01/19/2014 11:51:13 AM PST by Segovia
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To: jjotto

Yep, I have a 1997 Toyota 4Runner that is my beater/hauler vehicle. It has 225k miles on it and hardly a problem. Only had issues with starter, batteries (met battery life) and front brake rotors.


24 posted on 01/19/2014 11:52:59 AM PST by MtnClimber (A Foolish Faith In Authority Is The Worst Enemy Of The Truth - Albert Einstein)
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To: 4yearlurker

This is based on recent trade-ins.
I’m guessing it’s been a while since anybody traded in a Vega, Pinto, or Gremlin, LOL.


25 posted on 01/19/2014 11:54:29 AM PST by nascarnation (I'm hiring Jack Palladino to investigate Baraq's golf scores.)
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To: Tellurian

Those Jags are absolute poison.
I love the styling and really wanted to buy one.
But OMG the owner experience is horrific.
There are people who have created websites just to detail the story of their pain.
Hopefully now that they’re owned by the Indians instead of Ford things will improve for Jag and Rover.


26 posted on 01/19/2014 11:57:16 AM PST by nascarnation (I'm hiring Jack Palladino to investigate Baraq's golf scores.)
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To: Mad Dawgg

Interesting, as I personally know of a few of those F-250 vans with 200,000+ miles still running strong. The small businesses that turn them over do so because anything that high mileage starts to look a little shabby, not because they have drive train issues.


27 posted on 01/19/2014 11:57:25 AM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: Slump Tester

I still own a 1987 RX-7 that has 102k miles. Best car I ever owned. No maintenance issues ever. Still have original brakes. Better gas milage than EPA estimates. On one vacation trip I got more than 33mpg on a tank while driving on the interstates. Other friends with RX-7’s report few repairs also. My 1991 Corvette has been just the opposite. Very often and costly maintenance.


28 posted on 01/19/2014 11:58:23 AM PST by Rodd OB (23 year Simi Valleyer)
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To: nascarnation

I believe that one of the most difficult to get vehicles right now is the Range Rover and Range Rover Sport. Even at $80 to over $100k, dealers can’t keep them on the lot. I believe their engines are still sourced from Ford, and the electronics, though improved, are still sourced from Satan.

But people with enough dough still line up to buy them.

Plenty of free publicity when the UK royals made the baby splash.


29 posted on 01/19/2014 12:03:55 PM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: left that other site

Whoa dude!

A friend and I rebuilt my 1st car, a Pinto.

I blew up the engine and he bore out the compression to 12-1.

Got a ticket doing 118.

OHP was laughing hysterically til and couldn’t believe radar.

I confirmed and he wrote me for 68.

Said keep it down under 100.

Apparently the front end was floating.

I think he was drinking but, I took the gimme.


30 posted on 01/19/2014 12:04:58 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Slump Tester

I had an ‘83 RX, which was rear ended by a white hair, and replaced by an ‘86.

I never really did like the ‘86, but if it hadn’t been creamed, I’d still be running the ‘83.

No problems with either one.


31 posted on 01/19/2014 12:05:43 PM PST by benewton
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To: cicero2k

My car is a 1999 Toyota Solara with 620K miles on it. I put all but 50 miles on it. Yes, I have had some work done on it, but it runs well, has good gas mileage and is very dependable. Having a transmission put in next month, but the cost of maintenance and upkeep is still cheaper than purchasing a new car. Regardless of a car being new, I would still have to cough up for the monthly payments AND the regularly scheduled maintenance. I will drive this one until the wheels fall off. No matter what car/truck/SUV one drives, remember: maintenance, maintenance, maintenance. Fix the small, inexpensive stuff before it becomes big, expensive stuff.


32 posted on 01/19/2014 12:07:02 PM PST by bigredkitty1 (March 5,2010. Rest in peace, sweet boy. I will miss you, Big Red.)
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To: jjotto

It’s amazing how many folks want to be driving the “official vehicle of the Kardashians” LOL


33 posted on 01/19/2014 12:07:53 PM PST by nascarnation (I'm hiring Jack Palladino to investigate Baraq's golf scores.)
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To: cicero2k

Picture Aid



34 posted on 01/19/2014 12:08:15 PM PST by Koracan
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To: Slump Tester

I don’t imagine they’re around anymore, but the Mazda RX7 should certainly qualify - that rotary was a total POS!...Freakin’ best sports car EVER made that was affordable.


35 posted on 01/19/2014 12:10:31 PM PST by Safetgiver ( Islam makes barbarism look genteel.)
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To: nascarnation

I have a 2006 Jaguar S Type that has been an excellent car. Routine maintenance costs will kill you though.


36 posted on 01/19/2014 12:11:14 PM PST by sheana
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To: nascarnation

Whoa! When I’ve seen them, they’re always in Mercedes G550s or the G AMGs.


37 posted on 01/19/2014 12:11:56 PM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: Vendome

My first vehicle was a Pinto. (1973 ish)

Paid $200.00 for it.

I got a few tickets too. LOL

My second vehicle was a Honda CB350. And that made me the Gal I am today! (FReeper Biker...LOL!)


38 posted on 01/19/2014 12:12:42 PM PST by left that other site
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To: sheana

Like I said, I love the styling.
They are gorgeous, perfect size vehicle, great chassis dynamics.
I can fix the mechanicals but the electronics are likely overwhelming.
They’re getting so cheap on resale I may eventually take the plunge.


39 posted on 01/19/2014 12:13:23 PM PST by nascarnation (I'm hiring Jack Palladino to investigate Baraq's golf scores.)
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To: Segovia

I Don’t doubt it one bit, FRiend!


40 posted on 01/19/2014 12:13:39 PM PST by left that other site
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To: cicero2k

I shop for cars a lot as I drive $2000 vehicles and need a new one about every three years. Worst reviews I ever read was for the ford contour.


41 posted on 01/19/2014 12:13:59 PM PST by ez (Muslims do not play well with others.)
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To: jjotto

I think you’re talking more recent episodes.
MB took over the account, LOL.


42 posted on 01/19/2014 12:14:12 PM PST by nascarnation (I'm hiring Jack Palladino to investigate Baraq's golf scores.)
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What year is that LOL?


43 posted on 01/19/2014 12:18:24 PM PST by 4yearlurker (Some people say that experts agree!!)
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To: 4yearlurker

I think in the last 2 years.
Sometimes you will see them in an Escalade but the show pixelates the logos.


44 posted on 01/19/2014 12:20:43 PM PST by nascarnation (I'm hiring Jack Palladino to investigate Baraq's golf scores.)
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To: cicero2k

Anyone who buys a used european car is just asking to suffer.


45 posted on 01/19/2014 12:21:46 PM PST by right way right
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To: nascarnation

We have a new Mercedes SUV that I almost refuse to drive. Like moving from a station wagon to a race car. ;)


46 posted on 01/19/2014 12:22:02 PM PST by sheana
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To: Vendome
Whoa dude! A friend and I rebuilt my 1st car, a Pinto. I blew up the engine and he bore out the compression to 12-1. Got a ticket doing 118. OHP was laughing hysterically til and couldn’t believe radar. I confirmed and he wrote me for 68. Said keep it down under 100. Apparently the front end was floating. I think he was drinking but, I took the gimme.

What a great story!!!!!! Classic!!!!!A good cop!!!!

47 posted on 01/19/2014 12:24:07 PM PST by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: left that other site

Mine was three tone before a drunk driver killed it dead.

Yellow, rust and primer...

It did have that fancy red piece of plastic between the bumper and the gas tank.

Don’t know how that was suppose to prevent fires ....


48 posted on 01/19/2014 12:24:21 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: cicero2k
I don't understand why people would choose to buy used cars instead of new. You are basically inheriting somebody else's car and need to deal with food crumbs, tobacco residue and who knows what else in the seat cushions and in the carpeting, etc. Also, how do you know they maintained the car properly? Maybe they went 15,000 miles between oil changes. Maybe they never replaced the belts proactively.

Buying a brand new car is usually cheaper in the long run. Finance it for 60 months and all you really need to deal with maintenance-wise is oil changes and maybe a couple tune-ups and set of tires. Then you get another brand new car.

With used cars, you are always dealing with repairs that are over $1,000 so you don't really save any money over buying new.

49 posted on 01/19/2014 12:26:27 PM PST by SamAdams76
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To: sheana

The British, all the way back to the 50s, could have ruled the automotive world had they been willing/able to incorporate the quality principles of W. Edwards Deming.

They always had the design concepts done very well.

The Japanese learned from Deming and became very successful selling far less capable vehicles.


50 posted on 01/19/2014 12:26:48 PM PST by nascarnation (I'm hiring Jack Palladino to investigate Baraq's golf scores.)
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