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Goodell: NFL may consider scrapping PATs, adding excitement to TDs
Fox Sports ^ | 1/21/2014 | Sam Gardner

Posted on 01/21/2014 10:03:45 AM PST by nikos1121

Earlier this season, New England Patriots coach Bill Belichick told reporters that extra points in football were boring because they have become so automatic, and now it appears commissioner Roger Goodell might agree.

In fact, on Monday, Goodell appeared on NFL Network’s “Total Access,” and took things a step further than Belichick, indicating that the league’s competition committee could consider eliminating the PAT altogether.

“One of the things the committee does besides looking first at the safety issues … (is) looking to see, ‘Are there any plays in the game that, really, are not consequential?’” Goodell told host Rich Eisen. “And one of the issues that has happened is that the extra point is almost automatic.”

Goodell is right enough there. The NFL only saw five missed extra points this regular season — one each from Green Bay, Dallas, Pittsburgh, Tennessee and Philadelphia — in 1,267 tries. And the active kicker with the worst PAT conversion rate is Graham Gano, who has made 97.6 percent of his regular-season kicks since coming into the league four seasons ago.

But if football actually did do away with the extra point, then what would happen after a touchdown?

“You want to add excitement with every play,” Goodell said. “So there have been some proposals. Some are still going through the process of creativity, but there’s one proposal in particular that I’ve heard about (where) it’s automatic that you get seven points when you score a touchdown, but you could potentially go for an eighth point, either by running or passing the ball. But if you fail, you’d go back to six.”

It’s certainly an interesting idea that would force coaches to rethink the way they approach certain game situations, but before you start thinking about how such a rule might impact the 17th round of your fantasy draft next year, take a breath — because Goodell, in his interview, also made it clear that the proposal he discussed is just that.

“We often get a lot of ideas that are thrown out,” Goodell said. “The committee will look at all of them and decide what is worthy of further consideration.

“There’s some issues, and it goes back to … unintended consequences,” he continued. “You want to be careful there; is that going to discourage people from going for two? We want to make sure we look at some of that, and that’s what the committee does. They’ll make, obviously, some focus on this in the committee and see where they come out.”


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I agree that the PAT should be scrapped, but why not in its place give the kicking team 1 point if the kickoff is not run back, ie goes into the end zone and not returnable, or the receiver doesnot return it. That would immediately add to the game action. The idea of a TD is now 7 pts makes sense too, since the PAT is routine.
1 posted on 01/21/2014 10:03:45 AM PST by nikos1121
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To: nikos1121

Don’t agree. If it’s too routine then move the ball back to the twenty or twenty five and kick from there.


2 posted on 01/21/2014 10:06:23 AM PST by SoCal Pubbie
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To: nikos1121
How about giving points for touchdown celebration choreography? A nice five minute dance routine can give you up to three extra points while the officials review the touchdown.
3 posted on 01/21/2014 10:06:43 AM PST by KarlInOhio (Republican amnesty supporters don't care whether their own homes are called mansions or haciendas.)
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To: nikos1121

I think if you convert a two-point conversion, you should get the ball back.


4 posted on 01/21/2014 10:08:07 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: nikos1121
I agree that the PAT should be scrapped, but why not in its place give the kicking team 1 point if the kickoff is not run back, ie goes into the end zone and not returnable, or the receiver doesnot return it. That would immediately add to the game action.

I know, we'll call it a "rouge."

5 posted on 01/21/2014 10:08:46 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: nikos1121

I like your ideas.
Or make the PAT substantially more difficult...maybe from the 40 yard line.


6 posted on 01/21/2014 10:09:29 AM PST by nascarnation (I'm hiring Jack Palladino to investigate Baraq's golf scores.)
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To: SoCal Pubbie

Make a bonus play opportunity. 2 points, no kicking.


7 posted on 01/21/2014 10:09:36 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: nikos1121

Replace the place kick with the old drop kick?


8 posted on 01/21/2014 10:09:45 AM PST by JimSEA
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To: nikos1121

Goodell is trying to ruin the NFL.


9 posted on 01/21/2014 10:10:07 AM PST by nickcarraway
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To: nikos1121

They gonna’ fix it ‘til it’s broke, ain’t they?


10 posted on 01/21/2014 10:10:17 AM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: nikos1121

Touchdown = 7 points....then put the ball on the 25 yard line and allow one shot at the endzone for 3 points. No kicking.


11 posted on 01/21/2014 10:10:38 AM PST by JoeDetweiler
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To: Paladin2

To clarify, you should have the option of running the 2-point conversion from the 2 as normal, where you would have to kick off....Or, try to convert from the 10, where if you do convert, the other team has to kick the ball back to you. Gives teams down in the fourth quarter a better chance to comeback without relying on onside kicks.


12 posted on 01/21/2014 10:11:26 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: nickcarraway

perhaps; but if the NFL could be ruined by extra points/no extra points, it wasn’t going to survive anyway


13 posted on 01/21/2014 10:11:56 AM PST by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: nikos1121

Why not just make each touch down worth 1 point. Each successful field goal worth +3 points and each missed field goal worth - 6 points. Touch backs will be worth 0 points.

that should liven things up.


14 posted on 01/21/2014 10:12:14 AM PST by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: Paladin2

I think that’s what the WFL did back in the 1970s.


15 posted on 01/21/2014 10:12:38 AM PST by SoCal Pubbie
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To: nikos1121

But they also may do away with kickoffs for safety concerns.


16 posted on 01/21/2014 10:12:47 AM PST by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: nickcarraway
Goodell is trying to ruin the NFL.
It looks that way, doesn't it?
17 posted on 01/21/2014 10:13:17 AM PST by dainbramaged (Windage and elevation, Mrs. Langdon; windage and elevation.)
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To: KarlInOhio

Haha. Good one.


18 posted on 01/21/2014 10:13:38 AM PST by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: SoCal Pubbie

I say go all the way and eliminate punting. If you eliminate Field Goals, even if you turn the ball over on your own 20, there’s no other guarantee the other team is going to score.


19 posted on 01/21/2014 10:14:25 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: nikos1121

Goodell: NFL may consider scrapping PATs, adding excitement to TDs

That would be RACIST!!! one of the last skill sets where whites excel would be eliminated.


20 posted on 01/21/2014 10:14:33 AM PST by BobinIL
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To: nikos1121

Maybe they should play it indoors with smaller fields - about the size of a hockey rink and add more narrow goal posts with nets on the side...oh wait...never mind.


21 posted on 01/21/2014 10:15:00 AM PST by hometoroost
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To: GreyFriar

The only changes that should be made is if you block and extra point, you should be able to return it for that same point. If you pick off a pass on a two point conversion or recover a fumble, you should be able to return it for the same two.


22 posted on 01/21/2014 10:15:10 AM PST by cumbo78
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To: nikos1121

They could scrap the extra point kick, and require that you go for the two point conversion or nothing at all. They could require that the extra point be kicked from much farther away. They could do various things to add excitement to that play. I agree that the extra point has no excitement, when they make it 99+ % of the time.

Heck, even top relief pitchers in baseball only save about 90% of their save opportunities. Free throws in basketball are also in the low 90% range for the best there. Can’t think of anything else in sports which is so automatic as football’s extra point.


23 posted on 01/21/2014 10:15:17 AM PST by Dilbert San Diego (Interesting)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

Heck, nowadays 50+ yard field goals are automatic.


24 posted on 01/21/2014 10:15:54 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: KarlInOhio
How about giving points for touchdown celebration choreography?

...or take off points if it's "the worm"....:o)

25 posted on 01/21/2014 10:16:52 AM PST by BookmanTheJanitor
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To: nikos1121

Once you change the rules, they need to stop comparing records with past years.


26 posted on 01/21/2014 10:17:06 AM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: SoCal Pubbie

My thoughts exactly!


27 posted on 01/21/2014 10:17:17 AM PST by Cowboy Bob (They are called "Liberals" because the word "parasite" was already taken.)
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To: nickcarraway

He also wants to get rid of kick-offs


28 posted on 01/21/2014 10:18:30 AM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: dfwgator

Maybe indoors, but not outside, especially in the winter.


29 posted on 01/21/2014 10:18:42 AM PST by nascarnation (I'm hiring Jack Palladino to investigate Baraq's golf scores.)
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To: nikos1121

I have an idea...Let’s lengthen the field to 110 yards....and how ‘bout this, they only get 3 downs instead of four....And we lengthen the end zone from 10 to 25 yards. I wonder what that would look like?


30 posted on 01/21/2014 10:18:54 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: nickcarraway

Bingo. He’s trying to build his legacy as the guy who made the game safer and more exciting. This game is quickly becoming unrecognizable.


31 posted on 01/21/2014 10:19:13 AM PST by NohSpinZone (First thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers)
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To: All

just do what they do in the suburban Marxist wonderlands with kids sports and not keep score at all.
saves all the wear and tear on coaching decisions, and, everyone gets a superbowl trophy for trying.


32 posted on 01/21/2014 10:19:30 AM PST by willywill
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To: nikos1121

Some things are better left alone. This is one of those.


33 posted on 01/21/2014 10:19:48 AM PST by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: dfwgator

No shoes for the place kicker...what might change things up.


34 posted on 01/21/2014 10:20:02 AM PST by A_Tradition_Continues (formerly known as Politicalwit ...05/28/98 Class of '98)
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To: nikos1121

I recommend muzzles&dead mics for sideline reporters and defensive backs after ‘in yur face’ plays.

The game is lost.. and so are a lot of fans who endured the crap the game has turned into.


35 posted on 01/21/2014 10:20:11 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: NormsRevenge

It’s at the point now where the moment to game ends, I switch it off, I don’t care to watch the post-game celebrations and interviews....Glad I did that after the NFC Title game.


36 posted on 01/21/2014 10:21:36 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: nickcarraway
Goodell is trying to ruin the NFL.

I don't like the guy at all.

but from the economic point of view, he's a huge success.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/2013/story/_/id/10324195/2013-nfl-playoffs-nfl-conference-championship-games-tv-viewership-big

37 posted on 01/21/2014 10:21:58 AM PST by nascarnation (I'm hiring Jack Palladino to investigate Baraq's golf scores.)
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To: SoCal Pubbie

good point


38 posted on 01/21/2014 10:22:57 AM PST by nikos1121
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To: nikos1121
"..it’s automatic that you get seven points when you score a touchdown, but you could potentially go for an eighth point, either by running or passing the ball. But if you fail, you’d go back to six.”

What a great idea!

39 posted on 01/21/2014 10:22:59 AM PST by moehoward
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To: JimSEA

Agreed on the drop kick idea, better yet eliminate all place kicks, short field goals are practically just as automatic as PATs.


40 posted on 01/21/2014 10:23:19 AM PST by jz638
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To: cumbo78; nikos1121

How about if you go out of bounds, the ball gets turned over to the other team? H’mmm, perhaps they could have a designated hitter instead of a kicker. For the extra point a guy is given a baseball bat and has to hit the ball into the end zone?

My bottom line. Football scoring isn’t broken, thus no need to “fix it.” Of course the criminals will always try to bribe someone in order to fix the game.


41 posted on 01/21/2014 10:23:55 AM PST by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: dfwgator

I’ll go one better. Have both offenses on the field at the same time, lined up against each other at the 50. Coaches decide how to divvy up their 11 players between offense and defense. New line of scrimmage is set where the team who advanced the most was downed. Pandemonium!


42 posted on 01/21/2014 10:24:07 AM PST by notsofastmyfriend (He is the life of parties he has never attended...)
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To: for-q-clinton

Why don’t they just make the point after kick a playable act. If the opposing teams blocks it, the ball is in play.

Will make the players work harder to block it. Also add if the kicking team recovers and puts it in the endzone it is 2 points.

Problem solved with minimal effort.


43 posted on 01/21/2014 10:24:19 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz ("The GOP fights its own base with far more vigor than it employs in fighting the Dims.")
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To: nikos1121
What frosts me more than the automatic PAT is kneeling on the ball to run time off the clock. If I had my way, each team would get so many possessions (4 or 5 per quarter seems like a good number) and the game doesn't end until the losing team has possession and misses a scoring opportunity via missed field goal, TD, four downs without conversion or turnover.

The sudden death situation is what makes overtime exciting and regulation play a total waste of time once the winning team gains possession in the final seconds.

44 posted on 01/21/2014 10:24:28 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: nikos1121
If there's to be a change made, I'd like to see 3 downs vs. 4.
That would mean much more kicking (after all, it's called FOOTball.)
45 posted on 01/21/2014 10:25:04 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks ("Say Not the Struggle Naught Availeth.")
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To: notsofastmyfriend

They could do a scrum like in Rugby.


46 posted on 01/21/2014 10:25:50 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Do you speak Canadian?


47 posted on 01/21/2014 10:26:20 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

Haha.... That’s actually a game changer and much more appealing that the onside kick


48 posted on 01/21/2014 10:26:31 AM PST by nikos1121
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To: nikos1121

I disagree.

Just make running/passing the ball 3 points — that’s some motivation to do something else.


49 posted on 01/21/2014 10:27:13 AM PST by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem)
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To: nikos1121

Exactly, keep the ball until the other team stops you.


50 posted on 01/21/2014 10:27:17 AM PST by dfwgator
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