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Indiana police chief running for sheriff accidentally shoots himself for SECOND time in career
Daily Mail ^ | January 21, 2014 | LUKE GARRATT

Posted on 01/21/2014 6:58:42 PM PST by Ken H

Police Chief David Counceller's 40-caliber Glock handgun accidentally discharged last Saturday while he was at Wulff's gun shop examining a handgun similar to the one he carries - he shot himself in the leg.

Counceller, 60, who was off duty at the time, said: 'I need to pay more attention. I know what the dangers are. It was pure carelessness on my part.'

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But he said he sees the accident as an opportunity in his run ahead of May's primary. He said: 'If anyone says this could never happen to them, they’re mistaken.'

'You have to keep your guard up at all times. Some candidates are out there doing things for kids to try to get elected. 'Me, I shoot myself. What a way to get publicity.'

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


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1 posted on 01/21/2014 6:58:42 PM PST by Ken H
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To: Ken H
How many dogs has he shot?
2 posted on 01/21/2014 6:59:52 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Who knew that one day professional wrestling would be less fake than professional journalism?)
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To: Ken H

” It was pure carelessness on my part.”

Finally someone admits it.


3 posted on 01/21/2014 7:02:42 PM PST by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Hey Bro, he doesn’t get a chance to shoot dogs, he shoots himself first. :-)


4 posted on 01/21/2014 7:03:44 PM PST by jazusamo ([Obama] A Truly Great Phony -- Thomas Sowell http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3058949/posts)
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To: Ken H

Ok he’s right about carelessness but he seems to have an irrational fear of firearms.


5 posted on 01/21/2014 7:03:47 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Ken H

Barney Fife made it all the way to police chief?


6 posted on 01/21/2014 7:05:06 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: Ken H

Doing it once is one thing... Twice means he didn’t learn the first time.

But he’s right about part of it: anyone who believes it could never happen to them is wrong.


7 posted on 01/21/2014 7:07:46 PM PST by Ramius (Personally, I give us one chance in three. More tea anyone?)
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To: Lurker
'If anyone says this could never happen to them, they’re mistaken.'

Hey, this could happen to anyone twice.

8 posted on 01/21/2014 7:07:59 PM PST by Ken H (What happens on the internet, stays on the internet.)
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To: Ken H

How does one accidentally shoot oneself with modern firearms, especially semi-automatics? Did he have the hammer back? Is there no transfer bar on that model?


9 posted on 01/21/2014 7:08:27 PM PST by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: Ken H
third time's the charm...
10 posted on 01/21/2014 7:09:18 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: Lurker

Re my previous post: was quoting from article, not your post.


11 posted on 01/21/2014 7:10:26 PM PST by Ken H (What happens on the internet, stays on the internet.)
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To: F15Eagle
"How does one accidentally shoot oneself with modern firearms, especially semi-automatics? Did he have the hammer back? Is there no transfer bar on that model?"

You have to warm up with a TASER:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVzPS4TshY8

12 posted on 01/21/2014 7:13:36 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: Chode

The term for that would be negligent discharge, ND for short. Yeah I’ve had one, shot my belt, my shorts, a box of office supplies, the closet door, and the concrete floor. Fortunately I wasn’t wearing the shorts and belt at the time. Retired the 1911, hands getting to knarley to rack the chamber clear reliably.


13 posted on 01/21/2014 7:17:05 PM PST by theneanderthal
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To: Ramius
But he’s right about part of it: anyone who believes it could never happen to them is wrong.

If the firearm is handled properly, it will not happen.

Deputy Dufus screwed up twice. It's lucky he didn't kill someone.

14 posted on 01/21/2014 7:17:41 PM PST by Ken H (What happens on the internet, stays on the internet.)
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To: F15Eagle

The safety on a GLock is on the trigger. And the trigger is only 5 1/2 lbs. A lot of people accidentally shoot themselves with Glock by not using a holster or accidentally touching the trigger when putting it away. About 15 years ago, a sheriff in VA accidentally shot himself when he put his Glock into his trouser pocket and his car keys snagged the trigger.


15 posted on 01/21/2014 7:19:27 PM PST by fini
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To: Ken H

There is no such thing as an accidental discharge.

A negligent discharge is caused by either ignorance or carelessness.

The person can be considered ignorant, if they have not been trained.

They are careless, if they disregard their training.

Always keep the gun pointed in a safe direction

Always keep your finger off the trigger until ready to shoot

Always keep the gun unloaded until ready to use

NRA T/C CRSO

16 posted on 01/21/2014 7:21:20 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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To: Ken H

"...and he was on our side right?"

17 posted on 01/21/2014 7:22:25 PM PST by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: theneanderthal
don't even need to draw...

18 posted on 01/21/2014 7:22:58 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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I conceal carry a Glock 19 everyday...i don’t understand how this happened. The odds of his clothing getting tangled at just the right angle to pull the Glock trigger has to be astronomical. Some thing tells me he was careless with his trigger finger. Only way that gun will fire.


19 posted on 01/21/2014 7:23:45 PM PST by basalt
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To: Ken H

20 posted on 01/21/2014 7:25:02 PM PST by ropin71 (God Bless our Troops!)
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To: Ken H

What’s he doing with a loaded gun in a gun store that looking to buy?


21 posted on 01/21/2014 7:27:58 PM PST by Doomonyou (Let them eat Lead.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Only ones that hump his legs.


22 posted on 01/21/2014 7:28:00 PM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: Chode

or the head shot.


23 posted on 01/21/2014 7:28:43 PM PST by mabarker1 (Please, Somebody Impeach the kenyan!!!!)
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To: Doomonyou

Checking to make sure the bore was clear?


24 posted on 01/21/2014 7:29:39 PM PST by mabarker1 (Please, Somebody Impeach the kenyan!!!!)
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To: Ken H

Nobody ‘accidentally’ shoots themselves or anybody else. There’s a whole lot of improper gun handling that goes on before the weapon ‘accidentally’ discharges.

This guy is a disgrace as a gun man.

14 1/2 months in the ‘Nam, in the field, and we never had an ‘accidental’ shooting. And this was with 50% of my platoons being draftees.


25 posted on 01/21/2014 7:30:28 PM PST by x1stcav ("The past is a foreign country: they do things differently there.")
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To: fini

I shot a Glock 10mm or .40 - can’t remember - state trooper’s gun many years ago when we went shooting together. Loved the balance, the kick, the weight.

But I never liked the controls so I never bought one.

I’m not saying Glock is bad. Just saying those were not for me.


26 posted on 01/21/2014 7:31:52 PM PST by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: fini
I'm not a Glock fan because of the lack of a safety:

"The Glock is unique among semiautomatic pistols in that, even though it is built with three internal safeties, it is the simplest weapon to operate in a high-pressure, shoot/don't shoot scenario. In use, the only way to keep the weapon from firing is to keep your finger off the trigger. There are no external safety levers to flip or buttons that need to be pressed. The Glock is designed to be a pistol that is always ready to fire when a round is chambered, but the only possible way for it to fire is to pull the trigger.

27 posted on 01/21/2014 7:32:39 PM PST by uncommonsense (Liberals see what they believe; Conservatives believe what they see.)
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To: F15Eagle

“How does one accidentally shoot oneself with modern firearms, especially semi-automatics? Did he have the hammer back? Is there no transfer bar on that model?”

He did it reholstering. It’s about the most dangerous thing you can do with a pistol. It’s much worse than drawing from a holster because the trigger is covered when you are pulling the gun out of the holster and your finger goes naturally to the frame of the gun as it comes out. But the trigger is not covered when reholstering.

In his case, it sounds like his shirt got caught in the trigger guard when he was pushing the gun into the holster. It’s easy to do if you aren’t going slowly and using your eyes to reholster.


28 posted on 01/21/2014 7:32:46 PM PST by ModelBreaker
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To: F15Eagle

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeGD7r6s-zU

Have to be “qualified”


29 posted on 01/21/2014 7:33:26 PM PST by mabarker1 (Please, Somebody Impeach the kenyan!!!!)
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To: mabarker1
time will tell...
30 posted on 01/21/2014 7:33:44 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: Ken H
Actually, no, Mr. Police Chief, it can't happen to anyone. It takes a particular type of person to take a gun into their hands and not check to see if it was loaded, to not unload the gun before handling it in an unsafe manner, to place something in front of the muzzle that he or she does not intend to destroy and to place one’s finger on a trigger when pointing the gun at anything other than the intended target.

In fact, it takes a particular kind of hubris to ignore every one of those rules, shoot yourself like an idiot, then state it could happen to anyone to mitigate the monumental stupidity that you've displayed for the second time.

Oh, and if there is any sanity in the world, reasonable gun owners in the area will avoid a gunshop that has the carelessness to let a loaded firearm into the hands of a customer.

31 posted on 01/21/2014 7:34:11 PM PST by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: Ken H

I have worked with THOUSANDS of neophytes ... kids that have never touched a weapon before in their lives, just a glance from me and they would check to see if they were indeed clear / empty.

Not even one accidental discharge! And in my 28 years combined again not even one accidental discharge in any Unit / Command that I have served.

TT

Back to Lurk


32 posted on 01/21/2014 7:35:33 PM PST by TexasTransplant (Idiocracy used to just be a Movie... Live every day as your last...one day you will be right)
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To: mabarker1

I’ve never been in a gun store where the guns in the display case are loaded.


33 posted on 01/21/2014 7:36:18 PM PST by Doomonyou (Let them eat Lead.)
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To: Ken H

This may put a hole in his election chances.


34 posted on 01/21/2014 7:36:19 PM PST by Rockpile
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To: Chode

I do own some wheel guns, I now carry an old 380 AMT backup in DAO. No problem clearing the chamber and very small. The 1911 is used for the shooting range now. One vision of disaster was enough for me.


35 posted on 01/21/2014 7:36:38 PM PST by theneanderthal
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I see that the DM illustrated the Glock story with a Beretta picture.


36 posted on 01/21/2014 7:37:46 PM PST by Rockpile
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To: Ken H

His feet were barking.


37 posted on 01/21/2014 7:39:11 PM PST by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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To: Ken H
"If the firearm is handled properly, it will not happen."

Rarely, but sometimes, there is a mechanical failure. There are 3 safeties on a Glock, but there's a very, very, very remote chance that the discharge wasn't from operator error.

38 posted on 01/21/2014 7:40:58 PM PST by uncommonsense (Liberals see what they believe; Conservatives believe what they see.)
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To: Rockpile

Brilliant!!


39 posted on 01/21/2014 7:41:01 PM PST by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: fini
The safety on a GLock is on the trigger.

Glock, have a Glock specific holster, nothing else will do.

Re-holstering a Glock with one in the pipe, always with extreme caution and very deliberate.

40 posted on 01/21/2014 7:42:12 PM PST by The Cajun (Sarah Palin, Mark Levin, Ted Cruz, Mike Lee, Louie Gohmert......Nuff said.)
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To: Ken H
Police Chief David Counceller's 40-caliber Glock handgun accidentally discharged last Saturday

I see, did it accidentally pull it's own trigger? It happened twice? I would call that ignorance, stupidity, negligence and downright incompetence. He is perfect for the job. (Not)

41 posted on 01/21/2014 7:43:21 PM PST by Mark17 (Chicago Blackhawks: Stanley Cup champions 2010, 2013. Vietnam Veteran, 70-71)
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To: Doomonyou
Same here, only the Staff at every one I've been in (and Pawn Shops/Liquor/Jewelry Stores).

What always gets Me is the number of times I've see store Staff get a firearm from the case and not even check to make sure it is clear before waving it past somebody on the way to handing it over to a customer.

I've hit the floor more than once! Got up and walked out and never went back.

Complacency Kills!!!

42 posted on 01/21/2014 7:46:38 PM PST by mabarker1 (Please, Somebody Impeach the kenyan!!!!)
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Glock is a no nonsense weapon..if you like to handle...fondle, and play around with a gun, this is not the weapon for you. The 3 safeties are “drop safeties’ only. To me, hand guns with so called “safeties” only encourage careless handling of a gun. I swear..i’ve seen it so many times...someone will put the “safety” on..and the first thing they do , is pull the trigger.


43 posted on 01/21/2014 7:53:47 PM PST by basalt
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To: Ken H

Unless it was an indoor range I simply can’t remember seeing a loaded gun in a gun shop.


44 posted on 01/21/2014 7:53:58 PM PST by muir_redwoods (When I first read it, " Atlas Shrugged" was fiction)
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To: theneanderthal
good gun...
45 posted on 01/21/2014 7:54:21 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: Chode

Dittos. I’m a big believer in things that are simple and effective.


46 posted on 01/21/2014 7:58:25 PM PST by Ken H (What happens on the internet, stays on the internet.)
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To: TexasTransplant

They say there are two kinds of pilots... Those that have landed wheels up, and those that haven’t— yet.

It has always been my belief that the first step to making a really bad mistake is to think I’m incapable of it.

It’s something that those of us that have been handling firearms for decades need to be especially aware of. IMHO. Forty or fifty years of properly handling firearms does leave us with certain excellent and ingrained habits. But that’s exactly when we get sloppy. I think it’s just essential that we keep in mind that ANY of us can fail... We’re just sure that chamber is empty. We were careful.

That’s why there is more than one rule:

- all guns are always loaded.
- never let the muzzle cover anything you aren’t willing to destroy.
- keep your finger off the trigger until you’re ready to fire.
- be sure of your target. And what’s behind it.

The good news is... You have to violate not just one but ALL of the rules to hurt somebody.


47 posted on 01/21/2014 7:59:21 PM PST by Ramius (Personally, I give us one chance in three. More tea anyone?)
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To: Ken H
Deputy Dufus screwed up twice. It's lucky he didn't kill someone.

Really lucky.

His problem most likely can be boiled down to this: Familiarity breeds contempt. He is guilty of contempt of firearm and was shot for it.

The pertinent question is this: what the hell was your finger doing on the trigger, you moron?

48 posted on 01/21/2014 8:01:42 PM PST by zeugma (Is it evil of me to teach my bird to say "here kitty, kitty"?)
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To: Ken H

‘I need to pay more attention.
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
DUH!!! could you call that an understatement?

Knock on whould{sic} BUT have been owning/handling weapons for 60 some years and don’t ever recall anything in my control firing unless I had my finger on the trigger.

Never had a SUV start or get in an accident by itself either.

Must not be living ‘right’.

The onliest time you hand a loaded hand gun to one is if she/he thinks it is a hair dryer.<: <:


49 posted on 01/21/2014 8:04:03 PM PST by xrmusn (6/98 --Because you have your head up your arse doesn't mean you have to have a crappy outlook.)
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To: Ramius

All that said... There certainly seem to be a lot of these stories with Glocks. I’m not a big Glock fan. I own one, but it’s way in the back of the safe and I haven’t had it out in quite a while. It never blew my skirt up anyway.

The lack of safeties doesn’t bother me. My favorite carry gun is a Sig, and it doesn’t have a safety either. My 1911s have safeties but I don’t use them. So. I don’t think this is a safety switch issue.


50 posted on 01/21/2014 8:07:04 PM PST by Ramius (Personally, I give us one chance in three. More tea anyone?)
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