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I'm a socialist but, as an NHS doctor
Max Pemberton

Posted on 01/22/2014 8:16:49 AM PST by managusta

I have spent much of my career as a doctor working with disadvantaged patient groups — the mentally ill, in paediatric palliative care, geriatrics, in outreach programs, in drug clinics and with the homeless. Many of these people are desperately in need.

Only a few weeks ago, a patient spat and then threw a chair at me because I had the audacity to suggest that if he continued to inject himself with heroin every day, despite being in treatment for more than two years, he should be discharged from my care and that this might affect his benefits.

‘They can’t stop my money,’ he shouted. ‘I’ll just go thieving.’

But I am sick and tired of seeing fit and healthy people who choose not to work, who refuse to take menial jobs because of a false sense of entitlement, while there are poor, needy and desperate individuals working hard but having to rely on meager handouts and struggling to pay basic bills


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KEYWORDS: healthcare; nhs; welfare
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1 posted on 01/22/2014 8:16:49 AM PST by managusta
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To: managusta
But I am sick and tired of seeing fit and healthy people who choose not to work, who refuse to take menial jobs because of a false sense of entitlement, while there are poor, needy and desperate individuals working hard but having to rely on meager handouts and struggling to pay basic bills

Well, then, doc - why don't you just do like all the other liberals do and ignore the existence of the former type of person and just feel good about yourself for caring about(without actually doing anything to help) the latter group?

2 posted on 01/22/2014 8:18:43 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: managusta
This oral medication would cure that heroin addict's problem real fast.


3 posted on 01/22/2014 8:19:54 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: managusta

Where is this? Is there a link?


4 posted on 01/22/2014 8:20:14 AM PST by Menehune56 ("Let them hate so long as they fear" (Oderint Dum Metuant), Lucius Accius (170 BC - 86 BC))
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To: managusta

Take the money currently being paid to people who refuse to work and use it to supplement the working poor.


5 posted on 01/22/2014 8:21:00 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: Menehune56

You and I...

Both IBTZ


6 posted on 01/22/2014 8:24:47 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: managusta
I forgot to add the source : Daily Mail
7 posted on 01/22/2014 8:26:01 AM PST by managusta (The first sign of maturity is the discovery that the volume knob also turns to the left.)
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To: MrB

I’m confused about why you see anything in the sentence you quote as liberal. He’s drawing a line between the deserving and undeserving poor, which is verboten in liberalism.

I quite agree with him.


8 posted on 01/22/2014 8:29:24 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: central_va

Should he take two and call you in the morning?


9 posted on 01/22/2014 8:30:09 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; me = independent conservative)
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To: Sherman Logan

That was kind of my point...

He’s a “socialist” because he thinks that that’s the best way to “help people”,

but he’s finally seeing first hand that it doesn’t work.

Other liberals simply refuse to see or acknowledge that this is the outcome every time it’s tried.


10 posted on 01/22/2014 8:31:04 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Jack Hydrazine
Should he take two and call you in the morning?

When taken orally one always seem to do it.

11 posted on 01/22/2014 8:31:25 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Take the money currently being paid to people who refuse to work and use it to supplement the working poor.
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You mean "the DISABLED"...
Did you ever notice what those in disabled parking are driving?...
Or watch them walk into the "store" quite "able"..?.
and well dressed?.

What is the count of americans on food stamps these days?.. Obama is PUNISHMENT to the Unites States... as Bush Jr. WAS.. And "WE" deserve it..

What we need is a SECOND PARTY... not a third..

12 posted on 01/22/2014 8:32:14 AM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: central_va

I am sure that some will insist that capsule is too small to handle the problem.


13 posted on 01/22/2014 8:32:36 AM PST by RipSawyer (The TREE currently falling on you actually IS worse than a Bush.)
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14 posted on 01/22/2014 8:34:12 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: managusta

A close relative of mine works at “community clinics” in NY City. Deals with a lot of poor, diabetic/obese, drug addict, HIV-gay, etc... nearly all are on Welfare and Medicaid.

She will often see some things clearly - blame the individual for stupid behavior, - throwing away or selling medicines (and then asking for more free), not following treatment plans, continued risky behavior. Or, she will note the cycle of ignorance and government hand-outs these folks are trapped in.

Yet somehow, in the big-picture, its still “the system’s” fault. Neo-cons, Bush, the 1%, the Koch Brothers - whatever the slogan of the day is, they are to blame

Liberalism is a mental disorder. The writer has it. I see it all the time.


15 posted on 01/22/2014 8:34:40 AM PST by PGR88
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To: central_va

Off hand, I’d say that round casing has been through the sawdust more than once or twice...

Still, looks like 45 ACP, so it’s a good choice.


16 posted on 01/22/2014 8:36:04 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: DJ MacWoW

Ben... Ben... Ben...

With that attitude, how are we going to create a dependent class that empowers big government?

What are you thinking?


17 posted on 01/22/2014 8:36:05 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: managusta

“I’m a socialist. I see the idiocy of government control and yet I still want government control! See what morons us socialists are? we’re crraaaAAAAZyyyy”


18 posted on 01/22/2014 8:36:14 AM PST by Mr. K (If you like your constitution, you can keep it...Period.)
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To: MrB

LOL!!!


19 posted on 01/22/2014 8:37:22 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: managusta
I'm a socialist but, as an NHS doctor... You are less valuable than horse manure.
20 posted on 01/22/2014 8:41:38 AM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: hosepipe

Whatdoes the state of one’s bank account have to do with being disabled and using handicapped spaces? Also, my husband was blind. I always used our tag to park in the handicapped space. Sometimes he would sit in the car if it was cold or raining and I didn’t feel comfortable leaving him in a spot that wasn’t near the front. Think before you start blasting folks.


21 posted on 01/22/2014 8:44:02 AM PST by Coldwater Creek (")
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Take the money currently being paid to people who refuse to work and use it to supplement the working poor.

Can't do that, it would be discrimination against the motivationally challenged.

Let private charity handle it all, as they are allowed to so discriminate while the government is not.

The war on poverty started with propaganda pieces on how poor folks were in Appalachia. They were true stories, but were a distraction. Appalachia is still dirt poor, the war on poverty was never meant to help there or anywhere.

22 posted on 01/22/2014 8:47:26 AM PST by slowhandluke (It's hard to be cynical enough in this age.)
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To: PGR88

Yet somehow, in the big-picture, its still “the system’s” fault. Neo-cons, Bush, the 1%, the Koch Brothers - whatever the slogan of the day is, they are to blame

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I work with stupid leftist like that. As great as they are in many other ways, they are purposefully blind. Nurses, as an aggregate, are the most politically ignorant and blind humans that walk. But social workers take the cake.


23 posted on 01/22/2014 8:48:41 AM PST by Chickensoup (V)
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To: hosepipe
"Or watch them walk into the "store" quite "able"..?. "

So funny you said that, just last night my wife and I stopped by a local gas station for a cup of coffee and a big lifted 4x4 with huge mudders pulled into the handicapped space. Sure enough he had handicapped plates on it. We just shook our heads, if he can even climb into that thing he isn't as handicapped as most old people I know.

24 posted on 01/22/2014 9:01:50 AM PST by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: hosepipe
You mean "the DISABLED"... Did you ever notice what those in disabled parking are driving?... Or watch them walk into the "store" quite "able"..?. and well dressed?.

what? disabled does not mean poor... my 89-year old mother and 90-year old father have those disabled parking placards, and they have a decent vehicle and dress well... my mom even wears real gold jewelry... she has a problem with her foot, and my dad recently suffered an aortic aneurysm... but they are not poor...

my 17-year old son recently dropped me and my mother off at Target... about an hour later he came to pick us up... he parked in the disabled spot, not because he needed it, but so his grandmother would not have to walk so far... funny thing is, he felt peculiar... he saw someone looking at him, so he faked a limp as he walked into the store... he saw us at the register... i saw a funny look on his face, and asked him what was up... he told me the story and we both started laughing...

25 posted on 01/22/2014 9:03:43 AM PST by latina4dubya (when i have money i buy books... if i have anything left, i buy 6-inch heels and a bottle of wine...)
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To: hosepipe

I drove two wheel-chair bound people to Walmart the other day. After the first was done, I waited in the car with him for an hour while his mother finished shopping with her aide.

The man’s car was a very nice, low mileage minivan, in much better shape than mine. Low mileage because they don’t get out much. Nice because of an insurance settlement.

For an hour I watched the other people using the handicapped spaces. No other wheelchair users. No braces or walkers. But all elderly. Maybe heart conditions. Maybe diabetic feet. Maybe bad knees and hips. Maybe COPD. And no cars that stood out as, that’s a ride. No young people who looked like they were abusing the system.


26 posted on 01/22/2014 9:04:37 AM PST by heartwood
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To: Coldwater Creek; hosepipe

We see people like hosepipe all the time.

My wife’s hip joints deteriorated (18Q chromosome deletion syndrome) and she had to have both hips replaced when she was thirty eight.

Every time she would get out of the house and go shopping, a dozen or so hosepipes would be giving her the steely glare if they had an electric cart to use instead of her wheelchair.

Frequently one of the hosepipes would stop to berate her for being too lazy to walk.


27 posted on 01/22/2014 9:09:07 AM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: hosepipe

I have a nice car, dress well and have a disabled plate. Should I start dressing in sackcloth? Go get a beater car?

Would that make you happy? I’ll bet not.


28 posted on 01/22/2014 9:19:02 AM PST by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: managusta

Last Saturday, my 30 year old son, choking back tears, thanked me for the tough love that I guided him with when he was younger. He gets it.

I learned a long time ago that the easy way is usually not the best way. There are way too many stupid, gutless parents out there. The Bible is correct: we are born hopelessly selfish brats and we have to be taught to understand that and shown a better way. That is what a REAL parent does. Most of these people, including the socialist doctor, have never been taught that.


29 posted on 01/22/2014 9:21:09 AM PST by RatRipper (The political left are utterly evil and corrupt)
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To: managusta

Well, Dr. Socialist, behold what thou hath wrought.


30 posted on 01/22/2014 9:23:06 AM PST by IronJack
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To: hosepipe

Really, dude?

We have a local supermarket that has signs designating special parking for “Little old men and little old ladies”, printed verbatim. Plus, special parking for expectant mothers and mothers with young children, as well as “handicapped” parking. None of these have I ever seen abused or mis-used. Not all infirmities are visible, you know. Not all infirm or handicapped are of a particular socioeconomic group.

I do not have an issue with permit parking and I don’t assume anyone using it may be scamming the system.


31 posted on 01/22/2014 9:40:04 AM PST by Thumper1960 (A modern so-called "Conservative" is a shadow of a wisp of a vertebrate human being.)
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To: PGR88

Perfectly said.

I know a lot of liberals due to the state I live in, and many of them SEE the issues, causes and everything else pretty clearly, and you think “Hey! They DO understand!”

And then reality hits, and it boils down to “We aren’t doing it right”.

How many apologists for communist regimes have said THAT over the years...that it is a “good concept, they just aren’t doing it right”?


32 posted on 01/22/2014 9:49:04 AM PST by rlmorel ("A nation, despicable by its weakness, forfeits even the privilege of being neutral." A. Hamilton)
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To: hosepipe
I saw another “Airport Miracle” the other day.

Some lazy moron was getting his fat ass pushed around on a wheelchair by airport personnel and as soon as he reached our destination he got up and walked carrying his own suitcases.

I got video to document this miraculous healing but it didn't come out too good.

33 posted on 01/22/2014 9:59:06 AM PST by Mr. K (If you like your constitution, you can keep it...Period.)
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To: Coldwater Creek

NO how about YOU think... CLEARLY nobody is talking about the people with REAL disabilities- only the fakers

You’ve been here long enough to know that and not start a pi$$ing match over it


34 posted on 01/22/2014 10:02:29 AM PST by Mr. K (If you like your constitution, you can keep it...Period.)
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To: managusta

Look at his outlook on life. Entirely from his perspective, with intolerance for those with different perspectives.

He thinks he is somehow noble for helping others, but the helping is not about them. Just reinforcing his beliefs about himself. Note how the “more disadvantaged” are more deserving in his eyes? Not those that just needed medical help. That wasn’t good enough. He had to feel superior to them.

Did he demand that the junkie quit when they first met? No, he waited two years. Then suddenly he decided that the junkie should quit, and he threatened the junkie to coerce him into quitting.

The truth is that if you probed this doctor you would quickly discover he had tremendous feeling of inadequacy, which he masked with a superiority complex. This is very common among socialists.

A good cue is that if you introduce such people by their first name, they will correct you and say they are “Doctor” so-and-so, “M.D.”, despite it being redundant.

I met one such, who pointed out to me three times that he had a medical degree from Harvard. This annoyed me enough so that in a low tone I assured him that I would not hold it against him. Which probably tripled his systolic blood pressure for a time.


35 posted on 01/22/2014 10:11:38 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (WoT News: Rantburg.com)
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To: managusta

I have seen on several occasions people in the check out line in the wine and spirits department of a large grocery use an EBT card to buy a 50 cent bottle of soda and then pay cash for a bottle of whiskey.


36 posted on 01/22/2014 10:14:37 AM PST by The Great RJ (Just wait untGe)
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To: Coldwater Creek; heartwood; MrEdd; Cyber Liberty; Thumper1960; Whosoever

Some people ARE disabled(indeed)...... BUT
YOU RAPE the spirit of the post...

One wonders if, one of you(above), are not disingenuous.. or are a liberal in disguise.. i.e. Rino..
IF Not... the post stands... not all disabled are disabled..
AND some disabled are very able..

I have trouble walking to the grocery store next door where I live, and I’m not disabled..


37 posted on 01/22/2014 10:43:59 AM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: MrB

oh, please, libs do things for others........they tax and tax to give our money to those who chose not to work so that they can live like the rest of us without lifting one finger. /s

Did I really need the sarcasm tag?


38 posted on 01/22/2014 10:50:48 AM PST by tioga (Wise men still seek Him.)
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To: hosepipe

My guess is that you also have a problem just finding the front door to go out to walk to the store next door.


39 posted on 01/22/2014 11:32:54 AM PST by Coldwater Creek (")
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To: Coldwater Creek

My guess is that you also have a problem just finding the front door to go out to walk to the store next door.


You’re projecting... AND supporting “disabled” Grasshoppers..
I support “the ANTS”.. and despise grasshoppers..


40 posted on 01/22/2014 11:52:26 AM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: hosepipe
YOU RAPE the spirit of the post...

This is the kind of hyperbole that causes people to ignore you, hosepipe, and I know you better than that.

41 posted on 01/22/2014 11:54:02 AM PST by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: Cyber Liberty

This is the kind of hyperbole that causes people to ignore you, hosepipe, and I know you better than that.


tag line


42 posted on 01/22/2014 11:55:37 AM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: hosepipe

That’s why I know you better than that...and consider you a FRiend. :^)

(Don’t steal my parking spot.....lol)


43 posted on 01/22/2014 11:57:15 AM PST by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: hosepipe
YOU RAPE the spirit of the post..

I'd hit it.

44 posted on 01/22/2014 12:00:58 PM PST by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: central_va

Looks more like a suppository.


45 posted on 01/22/2014 12:01:44 PM PST by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Lazamataz

Indeed. Gives new meaning to “Gonna put a cap up your a$$.”


46 posted on 01/22/2014 12:05:26 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: hosepipe

And you are blowing smoke out your butt. I’m done with this conversation.


47 posted on 01/22/2014 1:32:41 PM PST by Coldwater Creek (")
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To: Mr. K

My problem with all this is how, if some people are handicapped and need to be able to park close to the store or mall, are they able to walk all over the store and mall for hours without any problem?

I have had 15 surgeries on my feet, both hips and the right knee fixed and still I don’t have a handicapped sticker. I think they should be saved for people who really can’t walk.

The worst one I saw, was a guy and his wife used to come to the Y, park in a handicap space, and then run in and do a high intensity dance class.

Mississippi is one of the worst states. They’ll give them to anybody.


48 posted on 01/22/2014 1:47:27 PM PST by beandog (All Aboard the Choo Choo Train to Crazy Town)
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To: Cyber Liberty

LoL...


49 posted on 01/22/2014 2:46:31 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: Coldwater Creek

And you are blowing smoke out your butt. I’m done with this conversation.


I love it when freepers get pissed off...
I can be damn hard to piss a conservative off..
heres a smoke ring for you..


50 posted on 01/22/2014 2:48:58 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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